Useless skills in ACTION

(I guess it should be "seemingly" useless skills) ok... so i just finished capping ALL para elites... (in one night) and then I went to go buy the rest of para skills and I stood there (for 15min) trying to figure out when and how i would use skills like:

-swift javelin-spear mastery - enchants?? what??

-signet of agression- seems like a waist of skill slot ...just throw the dang spear

-awe-leadership- knockdown?? this doesnt seem to synergize with other para skills..(big shock)

-lead the way-leadership-i guess if your paying someone to give you a run somewhere?? or catapult the tank into the fro

godspeed-command-doesnt fall back seem much better?? for 5eng more??

make haste-command- what? another running skill for someone else??

help me- command- what skill that targets allies doesnt cast fast already?

Obviously paras skills depend on allies/secondary proff i just cant see where these would do well....

this thread is for posting how and when and (more importantly)what build these skills would be used in... it would be helpful if you posted the whole build ....including some of these elites that i cant seem to figure (all things considered) where they would be used well.

anthem of guidance-command
stunning strike-spear m.
its just a flesh wound-motiv.

i need help brain stormin here is what i have so far...

P/w

name: Monty python Black knight

skills:

~Its Just a Flesh wound-use this when you lose an arm
~Make haste- shout this when the enemy cuts off your other arm
~help me- shout this when the enemy cuts your left leg off
~awe- stand in awe when you have no limbs
~sig. of agression- use this to gain adrenaline cuz you cant throw a spear
~swift javelin- use when your monk finally starts to cast enchants on you
~godspeed- use this on your allies as they leave your michael jackson butt sitting there
~Watch yourself- at 12 tactics this skill might actually be usefull

attr:
tactics:12
command:8
axe mastery: 3 so you can use that newbie green sword??? (what the heck?)


if ya didnt notice...sarcasm added for effect...seriously though..anyone have a build that includes these?

It's Just a Flesh Wound can be used in conjunction with Remedy Signet for a fast recharge/removal of Conditions on allies.

An example of when this could be used for the good. It's net gain from it being a shout makes the cost of it 0 essentially. It has a recharge of 1 second, while Remedy Signet has a recharge of 4 seconds. Imagine basically being a RC monk without having to be setup as a Prot, only on a energy free scale.

AB battles (or RA/Ta/HA)...Assassin rushes in, throws a bunch of conditions on your monk thinking it's going to cause panic. You use IJFW, it recharges, use again, rinse repeat, all the while keeping the pressure off your more vulnerable monk.

As for the others, let me let it sink in for a bit before I get back to you ok.

Ok, I had time to settle and sift it. Here's way's that those skills would become useful.

Swift Javelin - Useful with a enchantment heavy team when wanting to spike. (such as a Prot monk casting Aegis on team, then you spike with that etc. Highly situational and you'd likely have to build the team nearly to the para, but could be useful)

Signet of Aggression - Useful for that "downtime" before a PvP battle begins. Throw some shouts on you, spam this, and the enemy team can be spiked with GTFE! as soon as the match begins, before their adrenalin is up.

Awe - Great for a knockdown heavy team such as bunny thumpers and meteor shower teams. While they might not kill the monk, you daze him while he's on the ground, and cover that up with some other condition

Lead the Way - Spammable Sprint for other's. Good for teams where the monk needs to kite away from others fast.

Godspeed - Again for the enchantment heavy team, such as have a Bonder in FoW, this allows for some quick escapes when needed. Also doesn't have the restriction that if a person hits with an attack it ends.

Make Haste - Even better than Lead the Way due to 33% run speed increase. Perfect for getting a monk the heck out of there, or getting a tank, etc in there without them wasting a skill on Sprint/Charge/etc.

Help Me! - So you're helping your monk out when boom, the aggro shifts to you, your monk can take a breather, not stop as long to heal you, and cast enchants on you way faster than normal.

{Elites}
Anthem of Guidance - Great for when a team is about to co-ordinate a spike. As the move in for the spike, you chant this and boom, enemy has less chance to be able to evade or block the spike.

Stunning Strike - Gotta love daze. Use this with a Anthem of Flame or condition heavy team, some faster adrenalin build, and you can start spamming dazes on people left and right.

It's Just a Flesh Wound - Explained in prior post

Now, I know you asked for builds, and I didn't give any. I gave team build concepts that could or could not work, depending on just how close knit the team is. You asked how they could be made into less "useless" skills and I provided what I hope are some alright answers. Granted almost every one of my answers is a situational based build condition, but for most people/friends/high ranking guilds that coordinate well with each, someone has thought of the skills in the way I described. Hope it helps you out man.

Alot of skills in thils game are designed with PvP in mind. Thats why alot of thing's you're looking at don't make sense to you. As for using them in PvE, never thought about it, don't really care to either.

hmm....I guess I need to get into a close knit pvp guild... I am the only one who seems to have interest in pvp in my guild...


well thought out.... but like you said, extremely situational,

would people realy want anthem of guidance to take up the elite spot to coordinate spikes when their are many other good elites?
would you really want swift javelin to take up a spear slot when their are other better ones which dont require enchants?
and what about other team wide condition removers...arent they better than its just a flesh wound.(cautery,SOP)

morgue you have done a good job explaining... but would YOU choose to use these skills over seemingly much better ones...?

if any close knit tight pvp groups out there actually have these skills in their team builds please post... I'd be interested to see some pvp para builds...

I will give you some examples for PvE situations too:

swift javelin - if you under the effects of an enchantment (WaMo) - Live Vicariously, Mending, Vigorous Spirit, etc. Heck even Aura of Restoration or Attunements will work. Relies on your 2ndary profession

signet of agression - a nice way to start of with 1 adrenaline point. Isn't there a warrior elite skill that requires only 1 adrenaline point. Some type of defensive skill. I can't remember the name, something like Auspicious Parry or something.

Awe - Hammer skills are good, so are elementalist kd skills (gale, earthquake, etc.)

lead the way - good for making slow party members to keep up, or to get NPCs who are insainely slow to move their butts (Ghost in Abadon's Mouth comes to mind). Also, you are an ally (since it doesn't say target other ally - see Elementalist's spell Windborn Speed).

godspeed - ALL ALLIES! not just 1 ally. Akin to Charge, but needs enchantment and is not an elite (earth attunement).

make haste - command- see lead the way (but target OTHER ally)

help me - sometimes monks can't cast fast enough to save someone. Even your own spells can be cast faster on yourself (again P/Mo, P/N, P/A, P/E, etc).

Hope this helps a bit.

lol clawofcrimson, some of those skills are prefectly fine especially lead the way, make haste, godspeed...

The ones that suck are help me, It's just a flesh wound

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ok ok people.. I know these skills can be used... thats not the point... I want to see these skills being used in builds... i mean cmon... if you use these skills i wanna see the build/team build... anyone can read them and say "well you just need an enchantment like live vicariously"

I want to know if there are people who actually find these skills useful in there day to day builds... when I look at these..i think..why would I waist a slot on that...

so please prove me wrong...with a build...that actually works...

Im sure awe would do well in a hammer build...but if you notice there are like 6 builds out there online for paras....? If these skills are really worth their salt (like you say) then where are the builds?? (by the way... i love a-net and I'm inquiring in the best of spirits)

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-swift javelin - I use with Conjure Flame.

-signet of agression- I can't really figure out what this is used for, but it can keep Adren up in between PvE fights.

-awe - Shock and Awe?

-lead the way - Was a great speed boost in the FPE, not sure if it was nerfed or what. Better than Windborn Speed in some cases.

godspeed - Put enchants on the meleers and watch them zoom around. Fall back ends on anyone that attacks, so it's use is limited to defense.

make haste - Similar to "Lead the Way!"

help me - AoE smite? I can think of a few spells that deal damage through an ally anchor.

Don't really need to be too specific with builds. Don't really need to make an 8-skill bar for an ele in HA or GvG to run flags, right?




Forgot some of yours:
anthem of guidance - For melee spikers to get around Guardian, Distortion, etc.
stunning strike - +Damage and Dazed? Don't need to be creative for how to use this.
its just a flesh wound - I'd imagine being a P/N, strip conditions off an ally, then transfer your deep wound to a foe.

very nice...exactly what i was askin for morgue thanks...ill go get make your time now



Ive gotta adjust my thinking... paras are there for utility...not 100%dmg and not 100%heal/prot ...but somewhere in between...anyone have any more comments on how skills would synergize with other secondaries? Most of the para builds I see are 100% para

whats adrenaline decay rate or whatever?
wiki says..
Losing adrenaline

Losing adrenaline means every adrenal skill in your bar loses its full load of adrenaline. For attack skills with this attribute, the effect comes after the 25 points each skill gains if the attack hits, so all pools will be at 0. You lose all adrenaline after you have not been attacked, do not attack, or otherwise gain adrenaline (eg. Rage of the Ntouka) for 20 seconds, or when you die.

i guess u could use it to keep your skills charged/charging them up. but stopping ever ~10sec is annoyin

Make your time is a very interesting skill.... I ran a build in RA that looked something like:

Make your time:
Crippling anthem-elite:
go for the eyes:
vicious spear:
barbed spead:
disrupting spear:
apply poison:
sig of rez:


it did pretty well adding conditions...but i got targeted like flies on poop and didnt really have good monking... the great thing about make your time is that you can use it before the battle begins and have full adren. for your shouts...so with a bunch of poison swordsman for instance...shout crip anthem out the gate and start causing quick greif...

...I didnt see the benefit of make your time...until above post so thank you..

any advice/tweaks welcome

also: does anyone know if awe is a ranged or melee skill...? it doesnt say in description..just says "skill"

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Signet of Aggression can be used to power up before battle so that you have a charged arden skill when you meet the next mob-not having to restart the adrenaline flow (which already is slow for paras)

Lead the Way is pretty godly on relic runs in HA due to it's quick recharge and it's (sometimes) significant duration. It's basically windborne, and that skill is good, right? only now it's in shout form--so it's basically charge, but not elite, and conditional, but can have a longer duration, and is targetted. It's still good though, in the right build. I was running it just the other day, won halls with it (though no monks=gg trying to hold for a second round).

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well i am glad to see that these skills have some use.... and maybe the people I play with are just not organised...but they seem so situational

wouldnt you want to bring make your time instead of signet of agression?


i used this in RA and it fully charged the shouts I brought (crip anthem and gfte) which in turn gave me the 10 enrgy back pronto


edit: also..here is an idea for including swift spear.... on the other build im workin on p/e

-cautery sig -elite
-frigid armour
-swift spear
-blazing spear
-steam
-GFTE
-Optional- disrupt spear-optional
-Optional -Rez-optional for aliance battle

attributes in spear, water, and command

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10090955

here is the completed build with Stunning strike as an elite

the arguement of "skill is too situational" aside...

there are still some skills that I have not seen in use with any situation in mind...

-help me
-the power is yours-Elite (why an elite?? who knows)
-angelic protection (i would imagine this would be useful in heavy spike areas such as DOA..but still havent seen it used)
-cant touch this-(I guess if you knew the enemy was using touch skills...but..in pvp you never know..and in PVE is there an area where they are used?? I dont know of any..)

If you use these skills effectively please let us know...

Great build! Now somehow combine that build with the title "Selfish Spearlobbing Git" and you got yourself a winner.