Mallyx how to kill him?
fripple
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Originally Posted by Karlos
a) Complaining that high level content in the game is easier/more accessible/more feasible for people who have hours to spend playing the game. Duh. Is there an on-line game that is NOT like that? A game in which you can play 1 hour a week and still be able to compete and do the same thing as someone who puts in 4 hours a day? Do you even think computer game companies WANT to make such a game? Um. Considering this was explicitly one of the founding principles upon which Guild Wars was based? And how the developers STILL publicly harp on this principle even today (although obviously DoA is an utter failure in that regard)?
Try again.
onerabbit
lol, u all work very hard on beating him, tern u just moan when he is actually beaten, tbh, id be happy, i dnt care abouy drops, ok yes, it would had been better if they was uniques, but for such a hard boss, just completin g him would be a reward, and also, fow/uw sound alot better than doa..dnt have NF yet..but i'l see soon 
wostl
I would have only one recomandation for Arenanet:
Raise the Costs for an Ambrace of Thruth back to 25 and then give 3-5 gems for completing the quest.
Everybody could choose the reward (tormented weapon) he really wants for himself then...
BTW: We finished Nightfall within 2 days but the DoA had content for more than 1 week. Thats more than the whole Chapter!
And nobody does UW because of the beautiful area, its only the ectos.
Here u would do it because of the gems.
I like DoA even after completing it...
Raise the Costs for an Ambrace of Thruth back to 25 and then give 3-5 gems for completing the quest.
Everybody could choose the reward (tormented weapon) he really wants for himself then...
BTW: We finished Nightfall within 2 days but the DoA had content for more than 1 week. Thats more than the whole Chapter!
And nobody does UW because of the beautiful area, its only the ectos.
Here u would do it because of the gems.
I like DoA even after completing it...
lulu_at_sin
it s just another fow/uw, except u get a weapon and not an armor.
Shadis
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Originally Posted by [riVen]
Actually, Anet fails at making challenging missions/areas, so what do is make gimmicky bullshit like this. Just like Urgoz/The Deep. "Hey guys, let's make an area full of level 28 margonites with level 24 attributes that hit for 500 AoE damage hahaha! Oh and while we're at it, let's add some retarded zone effects too... wheeeeeeee."
Fissure and UW... No gimmicky bullshit, and challenging for a long time. And STILL fun to play. In fact, without using post-Prophecies professions, UW still requires some organization to clear.
Edit: And the more gimmicky you make a place, the more limiting your option of professions and builds you can bring becomes -- as evidenced by Urgoz and The Deep, and now all over again in DoA. You can take *any* profession to Fis/UW without *any* problems. A badly organized group will fail whatever the group formation may be, a well organized group will always prevail.
Mallyx is NOT a worthy foe. There's nothing worthy about creating a guy with some uber skills that we don't have, having him hit for 600 damage and putting him in an area with some bs zone effects. Anet is forcing us to come up with EXTREMELY specific builds to stand a chance against him, many people will be left out once again.
Do I remember Anet calling this a "compelling mission"? Hah, plowing through 17 waves of lv28 mobs *yawn* and then facing this guy... compelling? What a joke.
(Oh and before people start claiming that I'm writing this becuase I probably just can't beat this myself or something... Me and my guild were one of the first to have finished the 4 areas, without much problems and much faster than it takes most groups to clear an area.) Couldn't have said it better.
Fissure and UW... No gimmicky bullshit, and challenging for a long time. And STILL fun to play. In fact, without using post-Prophecies professions, UW still requires some organization to clear.
Edit: And the more gimmicky you make a place, the more limiting your option of professions and builds you can bring becomes -- as evidenced by Urgoz and The Deep, and now all over again in DoA. You can take *any* profession to Fis/UW without *any* problems. A badly organized group will fail whatever the group formation may be, a well organized group will always prevail.
Mallyx is NOT a worthy foe. There's nothing worthy about creating a guy with some uber skills that we don't have, having him hit for 600 damage and putting him in an area with some bs zone effects. Anet is forcing us to come up with EXTREMELY specific builds to stand a chance against him, many people will be left out once again.
Do I remember Anet calling this a "compelling mission"? Hah, plowing through 17 waves of lv28 mobs *yawn* and then facing this guy... compelling? What a joke.
(Oh and before people start claiming that I'm writing this becuase I probably just can't beat this myself or something... Me and my guild were one of the first to have finished the 4 areas, without much problems and much faster than it takes most groups to clear an area.) Couldn't have said it better.
maraxusofk
Wow im not a pve expert and i can design better rewards for mallyx. For example,
1. give vambrace for each person (gems would be for those who dont wanna beat doa to get items or for thsoe who want a 2nd set)
2. if ur gonna give greens, they might as well be torment skins cuz u are in the most hardcore realm out there
thers proably more ideas but i came up wit that in 2 minutes. gg anet
1. give vambrace for each person (gems would be for those who dont wanna beat doa to get items or for thsoe who want a 2nd set)
2. if ur gonna give greens, they might as well be torment skins cuz u are in the most hardcore realm out there
thers proably more ideas but i came up wit that in 2 minutes. gg anet
blastm
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Originally Posted by fripple
Um. Considering this was explicitly one of the founding principles upon which Guild Wars was based? And how the developers STILL publicly harp on this principle even today (although obviously DoA is an utter failure in that regard)?
Try again. Yeah, and may it be Urgoz or the DoA, half of the teams that could succeed fails anyway because of the quiters...
most GW players aren't used to this kind of length, so they joins groups without taking that into account, and more than anything that's what make them difficult.
4h-missions just aren't reasonable.
anyway, those who asked for something difficult were given DoA, the challenge lasted that much, I just hope we won't hear about them again, and that we will be given areas that everyone can enjoy no matter his profession in chap4 (or before? ).
Try again. Yeah, and may it be Urgoz or the DoA, half of the teams that could succeed fails anyway because of the quiters...
most GW players aren't used to this kind of length, so they joins groups without taking that into account, and more than anything that's what make them difficult.
4h-missions just aren't reasonable.
anyway, those who asked for something difficult were given DoA, the challenge lasted that much, I just hope we won't hear about them again, and that we will be given areas that everyone can enjoy no matter his profession in chap4 (or before?
kade
honestly i'd rather mallyx drop Urgoz longbow and Kanai's Axe than the bulls*** he does.
petition to change the drops to Factions elite mission boss drops /signed.
Edit: To rehash skins that CLEARLY were not popular in the first place for the hardest mob in all of GW....terrible, terrible, disappointing and utterly careless call on A-Net's part. my first true disappointment with GW. And that's saying something.
petition to change the drops to Factions elite mission boss drops /signed.
Edit: To rehash skins that CLEARLY were not popular in the first place for the hardest mob in all of GW....terrible, terrible, disappointing and utterly careless call on A-Net's part. my first true disappointment with GW. And that's saying something.
Sha Noran
I'm curious. Since when does anyone consider ANY green item an uber leet weapon? Who cares what the skin is. It's green. If you want to brag about your e-peen, get some leet golds.
That said, everyone seems to be forgetting the Tormented weapons, which are, in fact, the FoW Armor equivelent in weaponry. That's supposed to be your goal in DoA, not some lame green. I can't count the number of times people said (in multiple thread throughout the last year+) that "wahhh I wish there were FoW weapons that would be so cool wahhh". So they add them. And you forget they're even there, or you whine about the price/difficulty.
Honestly I hope everyone of you whiners quits and goes to play WoW so I never accidentially group with you for anything past noob-island.
That said, everyone seems to be forgetting the Tormented weapons, which are, in fact, the FoW Armor equivelent in weaponry. That's supposed to be your goal in DoA, not some lame green. I can't count the number of times people said (in multiple thread throughout the last year+) that "wahhh I wish there were FoW weapons that would be so cool wahhh". So they add them. And you forget they're even there, or you whine about the price/difficulty.
Honestly I hope everyone of you whiners quits and goes to play WoW so I never accidentially group with you for anything past noob-island.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by fripple
Um. Considering this was explicitly one of the founding principles upon which Guild Wars was based? And how the developers STILL publicly harp on this principle even today (although obviously DoA is an utter failure in that regard)?
Try again. You'd have a solid point if completing the DoA was necessary to playing the game. It isn't, it's additional content for those that have completed the missions.
The founding principles is that hours played isn't a necessity to playing the game - and neither is completing DoA, which is an area for those that prefer to spend hours.
That said, with people learning the zones it no longer takes very long at all.
So yeah, about the greens dropped, I agree with Sha. People in this thread are literally begging Anet for free money upon completion, not to mention you get the value of 4 gems and a green item. If I recall, there was significantly less whining about Kanaxai's Edge, which has the Crenellated skin.
Oh, and the green actually has a prefix mod that isn't complete trash. What a shame, eh?
Try again. You'd have a solid point if completing the DoA was necessary to playing the game. It isn't, it's additional content for those that have completed the missions.
The founding principles is that hours played isn't a necessity to playing the game - and neither is completing DoA, which is an area for those that prefer to spend hours.
That said, with people learning the zones it no longer takes very long at all.
So yeah, about the greens dropped, I agree with Sha. People in this thread are literally begging Anet for free money upon completion, not to mention you get the value of 4 gems and a green item. If I recall, there was significantly less whining about Kanaxai's Edge, which has the Crenellated skin.
Oh, and the green actually has a prefix mod that isn't complete trash. What a shame, eh?
Hyaon
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Originally Posted by Sha Noran
Honestly I hope everyone of you whiners quits and goes to play WoW so I never accidentially group with you for anything past noob-island.
I hope I never accidently group with you too. You're probably a rage quitter
I hope I never accidently group with you too. You're probably a rage quitter
Fates
Congratulations guys, that's awesome. He is a bitch, and you beat him down. That being said, that's a pretty disappointing reward.
wantaguild
finaly i beat mallyx too he isnt that hard actualy
lulu_at_sin
well another group beat mallyx. gg,
there were some other drops, ex shield and a staff i know off.
there were some other drops, ex shield and a staff i know off.
Shade Murtagh
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Originally Posted by wantaguild
finaly i beat mallyx too he isnt that hard actualy
Oh really? Hmm wasen't hard was it? than really tell us how you did it. I mean its easy to say it but harder to actually come up with proof when you have lied. Thats the most idiotic way to showoff.
wostl
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Originally Posted by wantaguild
finaly i beat mallyx too he isnt that hard actualy
if u don't use "tricks" he is rather invincible...
lulu_at_sin
hey,
well as promised we post the build / idea. u need a flesh golem, so that all the defense chars can stay out of the area. the rest is inside and kill mallyx with everything expect hexes and condition. at 80% and 50% u have spawns, which you have to kill. with monks or one monk (depending) outside, it s pretty easy.
have fun testing it.
the idea is from wostl, tschen, besen and myself.
gg
well as promised we post the build / idea. u need a flesh golem, so that all the defense chars can stay out of the area. the rest is inside and kill mallyx with everything expect hexes and condition. at 80% and 50% u have spawns, which you have to kill. with monks or one monk (depending) outside, it s pretty easy.
have fun testing it.
the idea is from wostl, tschen, besen and myself.
gg
erolz
Er a bit confused here. I have access to citadel but so far cant find a grp to try it with so dont really know what the end parts is like
Do you use the golem to NT/CC the monks outside the area? Is that what the golem is for or for something else ? Just in case i ever get a citadel grp that is.
Do you use the golem to NT/CC the monks outside the area? Is that what the golem is for or for something else ? Just in case i ever get a citadel grp that is.
lulu_at_sin
cc the monk/s out of the citadel.
Skyreal
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Originally Posted by lulu_at_sin
it s just another fow/uw, except u get a weapon and not an armor.
Succinct and to the point. DoA is another FoW/UW, with some "new" greens (Everlasting Ghostly Staff ftw =.=).
scamPOR
Free greens are better then no greens yes? also you each get one so thats better then 1 person getting them all right? I think even if the skins are ALL awful at least 1-2 of them should be decent. Just some thoughts.
Zinger314
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I would call beating the most difficult enemy IN THE ENTIRE FREAKING GAME something that isn't "free."
Mesmer in Need
malyx should drop a green fellblade, crystalin, or orr staff or something like that.
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No, he should drop an unique skin or Torment Skin.
scamPOR
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
I would call beating the most difficult enemy IN THE ENTIRE FREAKING GAME something that isn't "free." Fine but not all of the super bosses drop greens. Shiro doesn't or Abbadon. True they set the precident, but have you even seen all of the greens he drops? So far I've seen 3... 8 people each get 1 and I'd assume they are all unique so that is 8 greens. So we have seen 3 / 8. Beating the 4 horseman quest in UW is pretty freaking hard and you do not get anything except some XP from it.
I don't consider Kanaxai's items that desirable, but that doesn't mean that the people paying 500k+ that first week didn't want them.
So yes they are FREE items. They could very easily have had him drop 1 item... and I bet more people would bitch about killing the hardest boss in the game and only 1 person got an item. They can't please everyone... Personally if the whole journey wasn't so retardedly long I'd even risk saying they picked the right way to reward you.
At least you are going to get a green. Unlike say Urgoz where out of 12 people, 1 person can get ALL THREE! Yes, I've seen it happen.
fripple
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Originally Posted by scamPOR
Fine but not all of the super bosses drop greens. Shiro doesn't or Abbadon.
Um, Shiro and Abaddon both give you an item that can be exchanged for one of a variety of unique greens.
anima1991
Fripple, not after each kill they don't.
Gore
So all party open the chest and get a green right ?
Or maybe it drop with your name ?
Also..all chill with the cheap greens, greens are only a way of buying cheap and seling high..like I did with tombs where itused to be an impossible place to clear till we Bped it in 26 minutes all done.
The eal deal are the tourmented as I heard the Shield are animated etc.
Lets make a crap load of plats both with the new CC for Xmas,greens and most of all the 2 Years old gift that some of us will get in a few months.
Chill, have fun, be in peace with the game...Im sure more is to come.
Or maybe it drop with your name ?
Also..all chill with the cheap greens, greens are only a way of buying cheap and seling high..like I did with tombs where itused to be an impossible place to clear till we Bped it in 26 minutes all done.
The eal deal are the tourmented as I heard the Shield are animated etc.
Lets make a crap load of plats both with the new CC for Xmas,greens and most of all the 2 Years old gift that some of us will get in a few months.
Chill, have fun, be in peace with the game...Im sure more is to come.
Effendi Westland
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Originally Posted by [riVen]
Actually, Anet fails at making challenging missions/areas, so what do is make gimmicky bullshit like this. Just like Urgoz/The Deep. "Hey guys, let's make an area full of level 28 margonites with level 24 attributes that hit for 500 AoE damage hahaha! Oh and while we're at it, let's add some retarded zone effects too... wheeeeeeee."
Fissure and UW... No gimmicky bullshit, and challenging for a long time. And STILL fun to play. In fact, without using post-Prophecies professions, UW still requires some organization to clear.
Edit: And the more gimmicky you make a place, the more limiting your option of professions and builds you can bring becomes -- as evidenced by Urgoz and The Deep, and now all over again in DoA. You can take *any* profession to Fis/UW without *any* problems. A badly organized group will fail whatever the group formation may be, a well organized group will always prevail.
Mallyx is NOT a worthy foe. There's nothing worthy about creating a guy with some uber skills that we don't have, having him hit for 600 damage and putting him in an area with some bs zone effects. Anet is forcing us to come up with EXTREMELY specific builds to stand a chance against him, many people will be left out once again.
Do I remember Anet calling this a "compelling mission"? Hah, plowing through 17 waves of lv28 mobs *yawn* and then facing this guy... compelling? What a joke.
(Oh and before people start claiming that I'm writing this becuase I probably just can't beat this myself or something... Me and my guild were one of the first to have finished the 4 areas, without much problems and much faster than it takes most groups to clear an area.) Quoted for how I feel about it.
That those who said that the area wasn't designed for those complaining about it are now complaining about the rewards is ironic. Maybe the area wasn't designed for you either.
Fissure and UW... No gimmicky bullshit, and challenging for a long time. And STILL fun to play. In fact, without using post-Prophecies professions, UW still requires some organization to clear.
Edit: And the more gimmicky you make a place, the more limiting your option of professions and builds you can bring becomes -- as evidenced by Urgoz and The Deep, and now all over again in DoA. You can take *any* profession to Fis/UW without *any* problems. A badly organized group will fail whatever the group formation may be, a well organized group will always prevail.
Mallyx is NOT a worthy foe. There's nothing worthy about creating a guy with some uber skills that we don't have, having him hit for 600 damage and putting him in an area with some bs zone effects. Anet is forcing us to come up with EXTREMELY specific builds to stand a chance against him, many people will be left out once again.
Do I remember Anet calling this a "compelling mission"? Hah, plowing through 17 waves of lv28 mobs *yawn* and then facing this guy... compelling? What a joke.
(Oh and before people start claiming that I'm writing this becuase I probably just can't beat this myself or something... Me and my guild were one of the first to have finished the 4 areas, without much problems and much faster than it takes most groups to clear an area.) Quoted for how I feel about it.
That those who said that the area wasn't designed for those complaining about it are now complaining about the rewards is ironic. Maybe the area wasn't designed for you either.
aohige
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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland
Quoted for how I feel about it.
That those who said that the area wasn't designed for those complaining about it are now complaining about the rewards is ironic. Maybe the area wasn't designed for you either. Actually, go back and look through the names again.
Those who are complaining, are mostly the same people who were complaining about every aspect of DoA, and said "it's not worth trying anyways" and gave up.
So no, it's the same set of people complaining.
That's all I have to say.
That those who said that the area wasn't designed for those complaining about it are now complaining about the rewards is ironic. Maybe the area wasn't designed for you either. Actually, go back and look through the names again.
Those who are complaining, are mostly the same people who were complaining about every aspect of DoA, and said "it's not worth trying anyways" and gave up.
So no, it's the same set of people complaining.
That's all I have to say.
fripple
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Originally Posted by anima1991
Fripple, not after each kill they don't.
No kidding. However 1) you can do it with each character, and 2) Shiro and Abaddon are both encountered in the normal progress of the game. They are not even remotely comparable to Mallyx in difficulty. My point was that these guys gave you access to a ton of stuff that wasn't available in the regular part of the game. Mallyx does not.
Burst Cancel
FoW and UW aren't challenging anymore, and if they were challenging initially it's only because - you guessed it - the enemies did more damage than normal Prophecies monsters.
As for Mallyx being very 'gimmicky' - how are you going to make any single enemy strong enough to be a challenge to 8 players without using overpowered monster skills and other gimmicks?
There are ways to make the game more challenging without making monsters overpowered, but it has been tried before and the players weren't happy. The first way is to significantly improve the AI - ignore high-armor targets and go straight for the squishies, spread out immediately under any kind of aoe damage, kite melee attackers, don't cast through backfire, etc. The second way is to give monster groups real team builds. Imagine an area where every team you fought was some flavor of GvG or HA build - first group you run into is a condition overload team, the second is an obsidian flame spike team, third is thumpers and searing flames, fourth is necrospike, fifth is monk signet spike, sixth is ... But not even that - imagine a team of ten lvl24 esurge dom mesmers. Or ten b/p rangers. Or ten searing flames eles.
If you want to increase difficulty in an area, there are a strictly limited number of ways to do it. You can give the monsters a numerical advantage of some kind; either they do more damage, they are higher level, there are more of them, etc. You can use a gimmick like environmental effects or overpowered monster skills (Glint, Shiro, Mallyx, etc.). You can improve the AI (zomg aoe nerf!?! zomg no aggro management!?!) or monster builds (zomg PvP teams in PvE?!?). Which of these options would you prefer? Given the response from the GW community, the current answer is "None of them - we just want easy green items to farm!"
As for Mallyx being very 'gimmicky' - how are you going to make any single enemy strong enough to be a challenge to 8 players without using overpowered monster skills and other gimmicks?
There are ways to make the game more challenging without making monsters overpowered, but it has been tried before and the players weren't happy. The first way is to significantly improve the AI - ignore high-armor targets and go straight for the squishies, spread out immediately under any kind of aoe damage, kite melee attackers, don't cast through backfire, etc. The second way is to give monster groups real team builds. Imagine an area where every team you fought was some flavor of GvG or HA build - first group you run into is a condition overload team, the second is an obsidian flame spike team, third is thumpers and searing flames, fourth is necrospike, fifth is monk signet spike, sixth is ... But not even that - imagine a team of ten lvl24 esurge dom mesmers. Or ten b/p rangers. Or ten searing flames eles.
If you want to increase difficulty in an area, there are a strictly limited number of ways to do it. You can give the monsters a numerical advantage of some kind; either they do more damage, they are higher level, there are more of them, etc. You can use a gimmick like environmental effects or overpowered monster skills (Glint, Shiro, Mallyx, etc.). You can improve the AI (zomg aoe nerf!?! zomg no aggro management!?!) or monster builds (zomg PvP teams in PvE?!?). Which of these options would you prefer? Given the response from the GW community, the current answer is "None of them - we just want easy green items to farm!"
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[riVen]
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Quote: Originally Posted by Burst Cancel As for Mallyx being very 'gimmicky' - how are you going to make any single enemy strong enough to be a challenge to 8 players without using overpowered monster skills and other gimmicks? Simple, by not having just a single enemy to fight. Or the way they made Abaddon, he's not overpowered.
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Really? Skeletal Berserkers use ViM as their elite. Shadow Elementals don't even have an elite. Abyssals have 3 skills, and only one of them is actually any good. And can we claim that Bladed Aatxes are hard because of their skillbar and ignore the fact that they do 300+ damage vs. 60AL?|
Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
There are ways to make the game more challenging without making monsters overpowered, but it has been tried before and the players weren't happy. The first way is to significantly improve the AI - ignore high-armor targets and go straight for the squishies, spread out immediately under any kind of aoe damage, kite melee attackers, don't cast through backfire, etc. The second way is to give monster groups real team builds. Imagine an area where every team you fought was some flavor of GvG or HA build - first group you run into is a condition overload team, the second is an obsidian flame spike team, third is thumpers and searing flames, fourth is necrospike, fifth is monk signet spike, sixth is ... But not even that - imagine a team of ten lvl24 esurge dom mesmers. Or ten b/p rangers. Or ten searing flames eles.
If you want to increase difficulty in an area, there are a strictly limited number of ways to do it. You can give the monsters a numerical advantage of some kind; either they do more damage, they are higher level, there are more of them, etc. You can use a gimmick like environmental effects or overpowered monster skills (Glint, Shiro, Mallyx, etc.). You can improve the AI (zomg aoe nerf!?! zomg no aggro management!?!) or monster builds (zomg PvP teams in PvE?!?). Which of these options would you prefer? Given the response from the GW community, the current answer is "None of them - we just want easy green items to farm!" Let's be honest, if you had to pick between making an area more challenging by either making everything gimmicky, or by giving the mobs really good AI and team builds, everyone would choose the latter. Anet apparently has chosen for the former, because it is cheap to create. They have proven however, that that can do it the proper way with FoW/UW. They could easily expand on that when making new areas... impove AI further, give mobs "professional" skillbars and team builds, use the environment (patrol shemes like in part of FoW, etc), and the things you mentioned (don't cast/attack through BF/SS etc). Those that just want easy to farm greens can stick to the normal game, those that like a fair challenge can go to the endgame areas. Ofcourse, this also requires there to be a worthwile reward, other than the challenge of beating it. Bottom line is, Anet apparently can't be bothered to put any effort in their creations anymore. Gimmicks are cheap and easy, but the community won't take this much longer. buy and die
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Bottom line is, Anet apparently can't be bothered to put any effort in their creations anymore. Gimmicks are cheap and easy, but the community won't take this much longer.
Cant say I like you but you speak the sad truth.
Gli
Amen!
I also think it's pretty sad that the final mission, defeating Abaddon, is just a slight variation on a Sorrow's Furnace quest. (Which was free, over a year old content by the time Nightfall hit the stores!)
Burst Cancel
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And again, neither of these areas maintained their challenge for very long.
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Originally Posted by [riVen]
Let's be honest, if you had to pick between making an area more challenging by either making everything gimmicky, or by giving the mobs really good AI and team builds, everyone would choose the latter. Anet apparently has chosen for the former, because it is cheap to create. They have proven however, that that can do it the proper way with FoW/UW.
I'm certain you remember the uproar from the elementalist community when the aoe nerf came down. Imagine if it was extended to any kind of aoe attack, including things like SS and Searing Flames. Do you remember the complaints when Nightfall was first released, where enemies went directly for the lower-AI targets and ignored the tanks? Where monk enemies kited for huge distances? Where aggro management was essentially impossible? People weren't having fun then either.
Imagine if it was extended to any kind of aoe attack, including things like SS and Searing Flames.
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Ofcourse people cried about that at first. The community generally cries about any game/skill balance. I think by now we all agree that that first AoE "nerf" was a good thing.
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Do you remember the complaints when Nightfall was first released, where enemies went directly for the lower-AI targets and ignored the tanks? Where monk enemies kited for huge distances? Where aggro management was essentially impossible? People weren't having fun then either.
Agreed, but that combined PvP-style mobs with >lv20 mobs in numbers larger than your party size. Can't have both if you wanna keep things fun and fair. Either you choose to have mobs that act PvP-style, and have a max of 8 lv20's facing you, OR you choose to have mobs that are more powerful and come in larger numbers, but don't use PvP tactics. Oh and by the way, just because it's PvE, doesn't mean that you shouldn't have to bring a snare, and doesn't mean unrealistic to have mobs go for lower AL targets. There would be no problem at all with that if they weren't all level 24/28 mobs in party sizes up to 12.
In my opinion, having a mob hack in on a buffed up tank while they take SS and Searing Flames and what not in the ass, is no fun at all. For those that do like this, there's plenty of real hack 'n slash MMOs out there, GW was never designed to be like that.
And for those that got disgusted when I mentioned PvP tactics in PvE... PvE will always be PvE, for the simple fact that human players are always smarter and, most importantly, you KNOW what you're gonna face once you've been to an area. It would simply make it more challenging and therefore more fun.
In my opinion, having a mob hack in on a buffed up tank while they take SS and Searing Flames and what not in the ass, is no fun at all. For those that do like this, there's plenty of real hack 'n slash MMOs out there, GW was never designed to be like that.
And for those that got disgusted when I mentioned PvP tactics in PvE... PvE will always be PvE, for the simple fact that human players are always smarter and, most importantly, you KNOW what you're gonna face once you've been to an area. It would simply make it more challenging and therefore more fun.
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
Anet has tried it, and got nothing but negative responses.
Do you honestly think it's that hard to fill an area with teams of 10 dom mesmers? How much fun do you think you'd have killing groups that have 30 different interrupts and aoe-damage? How about b/p ranger teams with distracting and savage shot? Maybe throw in a choking gas, an orders necro, and a few monks with RC and Divert Hexes. Imagine 15 groups in an area, all like that. Imagine these groups ignoring your tanks and going straight for your backline. Imagine these groups spreading out from aoe damage, removing SS, stripping your prots, and in general playing the way good players would play. It would be a hell of a lot worse than 15 groups of Stygian touch necros, that's for sure. What kind of response do you think Anet would get? As per what I wrote above, no, it would not be worse than groups of Stygian touch necros.
maraxusofk
the ele community cried about the aoe nerf all the way until nf came out. why? searing flames
Dark Divinor
Hmm, the spirits seem a way forward and with Razah obtainable (even if it is really hard) he'll probably be a key factor in taking Mallyx down. If we can blind him and interrupt him for a fair amount of time, wont he/it be rendered useless? I'm not even there yet, I'm just throwing ideas out.
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