16 Earth Magic is pretty much a req, its your damage, theres no reason to lower it. If you want you can use a Sup ES too but it could be expensive health wise if you DP.
If your using Gale (only ever if your against a monk boss you feel needs a bit more kick than just Shock) drop to 15 Shadow Arts to make 5 Air Magic.
Equipment:
Anything with 20% enchantments. Sword/Foci could be better if your using a +1 (20%) earth focus but a simple staff is fine. Alot of energy will be needed if your using Crystal Wave/Tenai's Crystals.
Method:
Set Shadow of Haste at a safe point some distance from the mob (they really like to chase you off nowadays). Stand at the edge of the mob(s) and use Glyph of Elemental Power. Cast Shadow Form. Deaths Charge to the boss (or whatever you have to do, running around with SoH causes things to run around and screw everything up). Use Sliver Armour and any optional skills you need. If the mob has hex removal don't use Rust unless theres more than 1 thing nearby the boss. If your using AL-Ignoring earth skills let them rip. If your using Shock try to predict when the boss may use a skill to interrupt it such as if its chaining.
If Shadow Form/Sliver Armour are running out and the boss is clearly standing. Cancel SoH with Dark Escape then run off if you need. Heal up if you brought Shadow Refuge (Death Nova is a REAL pain if you don't).
If you still can't kill the boss either assume it aint happening or you need to agro more (which given the state of some areas of Tormentville aint hard).
If you suceed in killing the boss, all your skills will recharge, hence you can recast Shadow Form, pick up any drops, maybe recast Sliver Armour and kill any other minons nearby for loot before vanishing SoH cancelling style (thanks for reminding me to point that out VitisVinifera)
Bosses:
This section is a work in progress. I only recently brought my ele into factions and personally with the new Paragon bosses (and the assassin bosses for some reason) having extremely high armour an Ele is alot better.
I've been testing it in the Realm of Torment mostly. Some bosses are serious pains in the ass and require multiple deaths, lots of luck, just the right break or an insanely large mob agro.
Depths of Madness
Reaper of Agony
Consort of Ruin
Ravager of Dreams
Master of Misery (i've only attempted this boss in 1 run and it ended in disaster as it could Taste of Death its minions off all day long after getting 1 corpse but with the right mob agro should be able to be killed)
Nightfallen Jahai
Onslaught of Terror
Shepherd of Dementia
Chimor the Lightblooded
Domain of Pain
Fahralon the Zealous (MUST use Dark Escape when agroing, not SoH, this bosses Mystic Twister hits extremely hard)
Bringer of Deceit (For a monk healer boss its bizarrely easy to kill, or at least it was)
Domain of Secrets
Shakahm the Summoner
This place is tricky with the massive 40% increase in skill costs. I think i killed
Exuro Flatus - but don't remember now, titans seem to have really high AL against Earth and relatively small mobs nearby. More coming when i attempt it.
Domain of Fear
Shrieker of Dread (This is an extremely valuable spear, and for the time i spent trying to kill the boss it should be. Using Crystal/Tenai's it took 3-4 entire mobs assisting to let me kill this. And even then i got lucky as it survived with 1% health left i got HSR thanks to QZ and it charged me again letting me finish it off, would probably be easier if you knew the patrols better).
Sunward Marches
Eshim Mindclouder (it was outside of town and i was bored )
Any additions would be nice.
I have no idea how you get Gems in the Domain of Anguish. But this build can quite easily solo pretty much any creature (bar Stygian Hungers and there dark aura spiking) with ease aslong as it has a mob.
Additional Note:
As SongofSerenity reminded me. Lightbringer Rank helps killing Torment bosses extremely well. As for its effect on bosses, it even increases the damage of Obsidian Flame/Crystal Wave/Tenai's Crystals. All skills with a set damage and its still boosted so Sliver Armour is definatly boosted too.
VitisVinifera
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2005
Northern California
HoTR
N/Me
15 Dec 2006 at 04:02 - 2
I've been messing around with the shadow form / sliver combo in NF a bit.......tried Shrieker a few times, and damn he's a tough guy to get to, and I've killed Vision of Despair (mes, domain of pain) a bunch of times but he won't drop.
Didn't occur to me that I should be using Dark Escape vs Fahralon, I tried that a few times and it was WHAM! Thanks for that tip
Chimor is way easy though.......got his second run
I'll try some of those other guys........never gotten around to really looking around too much but thanks for the leads
Edit: my weapon of choice is Galigord's Staff, though I haven't really looked at other stuff. Also, if you are A/E, and therefor have have a longer Shadow Form and a shorter Sliver Armor, you can actually get off a second Sliver armor for like 2 seconds before SF wears off, incase you have the boss down and need a couple more hits
I tried Exuro a few times but I couldn't come even close, there's his small mob and another small shadow guys mob nearby, and those weren't enough
2nd edit: I'll add that after you kill a boss, all your skills instantly recharge, so when I see that a boss is about to go down, I have my cursor hovered over Shadow Form, and hit it just after he dies, so I know I can pick up the goodies at my leisure
I've been able to solo Master of Misery, but using a necro blood degen / empathy and pinning him on the other side of a wall, but you gotta do the conventional clear the area with heroes and flag them out, so no fast run there
legendary_Ace
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Oct 2006
Washington
Holy Angels
W/
15 Dec 2006 at 05:00 - 3
Sorry to be rude, but this build has been posted and has its own thread, but I guess people kinda forgot and you needa' refresh there memories.
Note: I love how in depth this is, wonderfull work!
Shuuda
Forge Runner
Join Date: Jul 2006
Guildless
Me/
15 Dec 2006 at 08:12 - 4
Zelnehlun Fastfoot, Yammiron, Ether Lord and Birneh Skybringer are pretty easy to do aswell. But Ether lord may need Tenai's Crystals.
BTW would the Mindclouder be a good staff to use with this build, as it gives 15 energy + 5 when HP > 50% = +20 energy, not to mention cool skin. it has become a fav staff of mine. Or would Rajazan's Fervor + a focus be better as you get + energy still, but the 20% longer enchantments.
P.S, I could use some tips on how to beat the monk construct.
Ghost Cat
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2005
W/
15 Dec 2006 at 12:12 - 5
reading skills ftw - i strongly recommend spending some attrib points there
@legendary: the OP mentions the original thread at the very beginning
@above poster: u DEFINATELY wanna have a +20% Enchants Mod on board (also mentioned by OP)
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
15 Dec 2006 at 13:25 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
I've been messing around with the shadow form / sliver combo in NF a bit.......tried Shrieker a few times, and damn he's a tough guy to get to, and I've killed Vision of Despair (mes, domain of pain) a bunch of times but he won't drop.
I didn't really have a good look round the Domain of Pain. Just the Monk and Dervish really... the ones straight in front of me. As for the Shrieker, i ended up fighting him from where the Res Shrine is near the long harpin. Took me a while (those Torment Claws are a pain if you get bodyblocked near 1) but eventually i had a huge agro on him, might be easier if you came in from the other side but then you lose the fail-safe spot of a clear retreat and a res shrine.
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Didn't occur to me that I should be using Dark Escape vs Fahralon, I tried that a few times and it was WHAM! Thanks for that tip
Yeah its a life saver Theres pretty much no need to use Shadow of Haste. Its almost begging you to never fail giving you 2 Torment mobs that flank him. Wasn't fun when i was hit by a surprise 320 Mystic Twister the first run, lol.
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Chimor is way easy though.......got his second run
Yeah if your A/E you can come in from any side. If your E/A you really have to go in from the back or there are too many mobs in front of you.
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I tried Exuro a few times but I couldn't come even close, there's his small mob and another small shadow guys mob nearby, and those weren't enough
Yeah thinking about it now i don't think i came close either. The Titan Assassin boss in the Nightfallen Jahai is the exact same, he takes so little damage its stupid.
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2nd edit: I'll add that after you kill a boss, all your skills instantly recharge, so when I see that a boss is about to go down, I have my cursor hovered over Shadow Form, and hit it just after he dies, so I know I can pick up the goodies at my leisure
Done, with thanks
Quote:
Sorry to be rude, but this build has been posted and has its own thread, but I guess people kinda forgot and you needa' refresh there memories
You don't think i know? I was 1 of the major contributors to that thread. It looks like its been too long without a post and has been auto-deleted by the forum. And as Ghost Cat said... i referenced it in the very first line.
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P.S, I could use some tips on how to beat the monk construct.
Well for a start you need 20% enchantments... To kill the Monk Construct (if your going for that boss only) bring along Obsidian Flame, Shock and Aftershock. Make sure you agro both patrols too, can either involve alot of waiting up the ramp near the Mes Construct for them to converge together or just good agro manipulation. Using Shadow of Haste tends to make it alot harder to do since the mobs break agro.
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
15 Dec 2006 at 13:28 - 7
Btw, could you post areas please if you intend to add target bosses. Makes them alot easier to check out and add in.
pegasux
Jungle Guide
Join Date: Nov 2005
New Mexico < PUKE >
Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]
15 Dec 2006 at 14:28 - 8
Hey Evilsod good to see your keeping the E/A love comin. I don't remember the boss names exactly but i've been able to farm most any boss in NF. And Shrieker is a pain in the butt! I killed him the frist 4 tries and no drops...tried another 10 times after to only die when he was close to dieing. A very easy area is the entire Vabbi portion. There are very few bosses you can't farm there as you probably already know. The bosses that won't die are the ones with monks that cast life bond on em =(. Also as a note if you can't farm em as an E/A cause of lack of foes to power your Sliver...try going E/Mo (55hp) and use Glyph of Renewal and Sliver. =).
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
15 Dec 2006 at 15:43 - 9
Yeah the E/Mo 13hp build (used for farming Ghial) is pretty powerful. But thats only ever gonna work in places that have 0 enchantment removal, not too much degen and not insanely high mob sizes. It doesn't really have quite the same durability, specially with Sliver getting its power from extremely large mobs.
I guess i got lucky, the Shrieker dropped the first time i (finally) killed him.
I've pretty much decided on the entire Desolation been impossible to farm with E/A, partially because half the bosses are over the sulfurous wastes, some you couldn't reach anyway because you'd need a full team to get control of a wurm spore and any group with an Acolyte in it couldn't be killed thanks to Shield of Absorption.
Other than Mandragor Imp and the above mentioned area pretty much any boss can be farmed i'd say. Although thinking about it Djinn bosses would be hard due to Angelic Bond, same goes for Skree bosses and there love for Incoming.
HolyHawk
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jul 2006
lf guild~
Me/A
15 Dec 2006 at 17:24 - 10
Yeah, some places in kourman won't be farmeable because of chiblains, vabbi is not so friendly either if there is the blue heket with shielding hands, incoming is a pain also. The desolation has a lot of bosses actually, just avoid the acolytes and you will manage. Tormented area is fully farmeable. It requires a lot of skill avoid or pulling agroes. Domain of secrets is the hardest place since agros are small and the constant 40%+ energy cost. But it has very nice itens. The secret of this build is just having a huge agro, preferably, ranged mobs.
SongofSerenity
Academy Page
Join Date: Jun 2006
Istan, Elona
Les Deux Mains Noires [Noir]
15 Dec 2006 at 17:26 - 11
My contribution: Lightbringer rank
I'm not entirely certain, but I'm pretty sure that a lightbringer rank 5 does 25% more against the demon bosses in Realm of Torment. That's pretty significant when trying to farm them.
Can anyone test to make certain that LB applies to bosses as well?
ultima desturcto
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Oct 2006
On a plane constantly moving around the world
The King's Guard
E/
15 Dec 2006 at 18:10 - 12
I might add, to save attributes, if u put in Earthquake/Dragon stomp + Aftershock works well
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
15 Dec 2006 at 19:48 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by ultima desturcto
I might add, to save attributes, if u put in Earthquake/Dragon stomp + Aftershock works well
You don't actually need to boost Air Magic to use Shock.
As for EQ/DS. No. Knocking down a single target with Shock is acceptable if its capable of healing itself extremely well. Knocking down a multiple targets is a very bad thing. All it does is lower the damage you get from Sliver Armour because those enemies can't attack while sat on there arse.
Eclair
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2005
15 Dec 2006 at 22:10 - 14
Do you aggro multiple mobs with a constant shadow form up?
VitisVinifera
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2005
Northern California
HoTR
N/Me
15 Dec 2006 at 22:15 - 15
Couple more additions:
Wilderness of Bahdza
Moteh Thundershooter -- apparently with a recent update, if you complete Destroy the Harpies, he will double spawn. Ele boss and 2 packs sounds like E/A farming fodder, though I haven't tested this
Eshekibeh Longneck (necro boss)
VERY easy farm, but his green kinda sucks, Sliver always targets the boss
I tried farming Fahralon last night, and it's a bitch getting Sliver to target him. As mentioned, you need Dark Escape to avoid those Mystic Sweep hits, but that generally means after Death's Charge to get to him, by the time Sliver Armor is active, he's like the 3rd closest target. Man I wish you could choose Sliver Armor's target!!!! big time
So I tried Bringer of Deceit, and I simply couldn't get enough damage going, tried using Gale to knock him down so he wouldn't heal but there's not enough damage coming. Did you pull any packs to him?
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
16 Dec 2006 at 12:08 - 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclair
Do you aggro multiple mobs with a constant shadow form up?
I don't get you. Ideally you should be agroing with a Flat/Longbow or just using your staff/wand and running before it hits. Its best to use Shadow Form at the safest point. Be it after agroing and things are charging into your agro or just before you rush in. With SoH things break agro too easily (the sacrifice for near invunerability) so it can be tricky.
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I tried farming Fahralon last night, and it's a bitch getting Sliver to target him. As mentioned, you need Dark Escape to avoid those Mystic Sweep hits, but that generally means after Death's Charge to get to him, by the time Sliver Armor is active, he's like the 3rd closest target. Man I wish you could choose Sliver Armor's target!!!! big time
Sliver does seem to enjoy targetting some casters as priority. Since he's a melee boss you could always just wait till he wanders out and is alone before jumping in, or just skip Deaths Charge (with 3 mobs to fuel Sliver he's pretty easy) and run in yourself and stop a short distance from the casters.
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So I tried Bringer of Deceit, and I simply couldn't get enough damage going, tried using Gale to knock him down so he wouldn't heal but there's not enough damage coming. Did you pull any packs to him?
I think i came close without agroing others. Eventually i decided to agro the patrol of Margonites that come over the bridge to help. Just wanded the Bringers mob, ran off a bit so they all grouped together, stopped in the patrol path of the Margonites and the Torments charged at me. Used Shadow Form as both mobs closed in, you know the rest.
nekopowa
Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Dec 2006
Croatia
A/P
16 Dec 2006 at 22:09 - 17
I didn't see this thread open so i placed my videos in the old one. I'll stick them up here too, others can join up with their recordings ^^ so instead of listing we could just make a vid with the whole procedure.
well, there are boss that can be farmed easily in faction.... have you tried Cho, the Empath in Tunnel? or Chung the Attuned, Mina the Shatterstorm, and Baubao Wavewrath in undercity??? Faction am Fah boss are all doable except the sin in Pongeimei valley. Btw this build has numorous problems to get over with..... Sliver target, signet interruption,touch skills, traps, timing, tough to get to boss often, etc.....
you haven't answered my qustion which was your success rate of kiling Sun Reach recently ??/
I guess you are having problem with sliver target too which is pathetic.....
You have to admit that this build contains so many problems to get over with.
New Updates impede e/a farmer and i am having problems recently and I believe you are having it as well but you seem don't like to admit it and that makes me fell shit about you.
however, this build gave me 40 different greens actually i have total of 70 different greens now.
dasboot123
Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Dec 2006
Los Angeles, CA
E/A
25 Dec 2006 at 04:45 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by nekopowa
I didn't see this thread open so i placed my videos in the old one. I'll stick them up here too, others can join up with their recordings ^^ so instead of listing we could just make a vid with the whole procedure.
GJ on Chiossen, last time I tried I could swear there was no heket group near him, only two groups of "beasts" that include ntouka birds (monks). I'll have to revisit him.
Two I could most definitely not do were 1. Enadiz, because of Chilblains all around him, and 2. Shak-Jarin, because of all the minotaurs, all using Headbutt, although maybe I should try again. I tried all these bosses before the green weekend so it was a while ago, and patches have been made. Most notably, it seems they fixed "follow forever" bug.
For the record, I Exuro is one of the easier farms for me. You must NOT aggro a shadow group with a warrior in it, otherwise SA targets it first. There are three groups of shadow near him: the north group usually has a warrior and is rather far away anyhow; the west patrol can be used if there is no warrior, although you must be careful not to lose them if you use a speed buff or Death's Charge. The east group is the most consistent for me - there is never a warrior, and the rangers generally provide good damage for sliver armor. Sometimes I need to aggro Exuro's group, run towards and aggro the shadow group, then Death's Charge back into Exuro.
Fahralon was also an easy one from the start, because I picked up the habit of using Feigned Neutrality on all new bosses. It is also the one skill that allowed me to farm Nightbringer quickly and consistently when he was still in Marga Coast. Also, I used Death's Charge every time against Fahralon, and if you time it so that only the melee enemies and the boss are next to you then SA will target the boss. If you go in and you have casters or Torment creatures around you then there's a very good chance it'll hit them instead.
I have yet to figure out a way to farm the bosses who are in the middle of sulfur, like Ajamahn (even though his green sucks). Ardeh actually is very farmable, if you can figure out how to get around the sulfur and come at him from the back (like I did). I farmed 4 pairs of his daggers, and sold them way after the green weekend for some good gold (I don't care for sundering daggers so I didn't keep any).
EDIT: Forgot to add, for those bosses that have monks that enchant them, try bringing Expunge Enchantments. Sometimes, it works, sometimes it doesn't. I suspect that if you get a spawn with two or more monks you're screwed, although I don't think I've seen a boss with two or more monk consorts using enchants like Life Bond or Shielding Hands.
nekopowa
Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Dec 2006
Croatia
A/P
26 Dec 2006 at 12:22 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasboot123
well gj Chiossen is new boss taht I should try on. Btw do you face the same problems as I do when you are killing Ghial ???
My problem is that sometimes there is few mesmer around the Ghial and whenever i cast the sliver they interrupt me often and i fail.....
I bet you had the lucky zone to kill the Ghial..... however I killed him easily without getting interrupted by sigent from mesmer. If you had the same zone as I did, I bet you are gona FAIL TOO
Yep there's an occasional interrupt, i simply cast my skills a bit earlier or use coverup skills that i dont need so they get interrupted before the important ones.
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Originally Posted by dasboot123
Try these new boss that are in factions: Cho the Spirit Empath, Baubao the Wavewrath, Chung the Attuned, Mina Shatter Storm, and Rien the Martyr.
They are easy to kill way way way easier than constructs.
I'll check them out, still gotta unlock a lot of the kurzick area, but lazy to farm 10k factions argh.
And for the record, I didn't do the vids to brag - just to show people some easy bosses to farm and how to do it.
Feel free to make your own, i'm not in a competition or anything, just contributing. And i think it'd be really cool if we had an archive of vids for each boss
ibex333
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
Brooklyn, NY
[EYE]
Rt/A
28 Dec 2006 at 18:11 - 22
Can anyone link me to the thread that was started by the creator of this build? I cant find it, and I need it because it described kaolin farming.
I want to farm the kaolin prot staff with my assasin, but the door to monks construct is CLOSED!! It's open for everyone else in their farming videos, but it's closed for me! What gives?
EDIT: Never mind. I have to do Sunjiang District (Mission).
By the way, can anyone tell me what extra skillz I need for him? I bet since he's a monk, he must be very hard to take down.
MercenaryKnight
Forge Runner
Join Date: May 2006
Wolf of Shadows [WoS]
P/
30 Dec 2006 at 01:16 - 25
I was just looking at this build and I know the deaths charge is the main skill besides shadow form to keep you alive. But I was wondering, wouldn't it be possible to go e/r and use the permanent obsidian flesh tank build with sliver armor to kill bosses too? Serpent's quickness would decrease the recharge of sliver armor too and keep it up permanently along with obsidian flesh and maybe some other tanking enchants.
I was just trying to find a way to farm without the assassin elite so I don't have to get my elementalist through cantha.
ibex333
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
Brooklyn, NY
[EYE]
Rt/A
30 Dec 2006 at 23:36 - 26
This is so strange... this build doesnt work against a single boss I tried in Factions... The sliver armor NEVER lasts long enough. I thought it was originally designed to farm factions, yet it simply doesnt work...
Take Sskai for example... I tried him many times.. My sliver armor ends, then my shadow form, and I just die....
When I try Geoffer, his pals simply own me THROUGH shadow form. How they do that, is beyound me.
I tried Kaolin farming... Sliver armor always ends before I take away even half of the boss's life. I followed the build exactly, and I'm not new to farming at all, but this simply doesnt work..
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
31 Dec 2006 at 01:43 - 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
I was just looking at this build and I know the deaths charge is the main skill besides shadow form to keep you alive. But I was wondering, wouldn't it be possible to go e/r and use the permanent obsidian flesh tank build with sliver armor to kill bosses too? Serpent's quickness would decrease the recharge of sliver armor too and keep it up permanently along with obsidian flesh and maybe some other tanking enchants.
I was just trying to find a way to farm without the assassin elite so I don't have to get my elementalist through cantha.
I never said it wouldn't. But unless you can cover for degen and indirect spells like Death Nova, Mystic Twister, etc, your going to die, particularly the armour ignoring ones anyway. And Shadow Form is hardly a trek... you can cap it in Vizunah Square for christ sake.
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I tried Kaolin farming... Sliver armor always ends before I take away even half of the boss's life. I followed the build exactly, and I'm not new to farming at all, but this simply doesnt work..
Really? You don't have a chance in hell of farming Sskai with E/A//A/E. Stop been a tool and use your head. And yes, all the Constructs in Sunjuing are killable using Rust, Shadow Refuge and Deaths Charge. Even the Ranger Construct... you just need the mother of all agro's to do it (hence why ive only ever done it once).
ibex333
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
Brooklyn, NY
[EYE]
Rt/A
31 Dec 2006 at 03:27 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Really? You don't have a chance in hell of farming Sskai with E/A//A/E. Stop been a tool and use your head. And yes, all the Constructs in Sunjuing are killable using Rust, Shadow Refuge and Deaths Charge. Even the Ranger Construct... you just need the mother of all agro's to do it (hence why ive only ever done it once).
Ok... so no Sskai... But with 10 seconds of sliver armor, I truly need the mother of all aggros to kill anything. Mabe it's because you do it with an ele and I do it with an assasin?
MercenaryKnight
Forge Runner
Join Date: May 2006
Wolf of Shadows [WoS]
P/
31 Dec 2006 at 03:49 - 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
I never said it wouldn't. But unless you can cover for degen and indirect spells like Death Nova, Mystic Twister, etc, your going to die, particularly the armour ignoring ones anyway. And Shadow Form is hardly a trek... you can cap it in Vizunah Square for christ sake.
Well, I wasn't sure but doesn't shadow form not protect you from the same indirect spells? I was just kind of thinking pure earth and serpent's quickness with maybe trolls ungent could do alright to keep tanking enemies longer while they kill the boss and survive more. Or maybe even e/d with the mystic regent enchant.
I didn't know that it was in vizunah square. I will go try to cap that as soon as I can.
I was just kind of wondering if maybe it'd be more survivable with a permanent obsidian flesh and tank spells, while being able to do more damage and stuff.
It was just a suggestion since I personally suck at coming up with builds.
SongofSerenity
Academy Page
Join Date: Jun 2006
Istan, Elona
Les Deux Mains Noires [Noir]
31 Dec 2006 at 08:24 - 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibex333
This is so strange... this build doesnt work against a single boss I tried in Factions... The sliver armor NEVER lasts long enough. I thought it was originally designed to farm factions, yet it simply doesnt work...
Take Sskai for example... I tried him many times.. My sliver armor ends, then my shadow form, and I just die....
When I try Geoffer, his pals simply own me THROUGH shadow form. How they do that, is beyound me.
I tried Kaolin farming... Sliver armor always ends before I take away even half of the boss's life. I followed the build exactly, and I'm not new to farming at all, but this simply doesnt work..
I've made over 500k farming as an A/E so the build most decidedly does work (granted most of that was back when greens were actually worth something). Although I have not attempted to farm Sskai and Geoffer, I have successfully farmed the following (and by successful, I don't mean I killed him once out of twenty tries.. I mean consistently killed): Jayne Forestlight, Strongroot Tanglebranch, Sunreach Warmaker, The Scar Eater, Monk's Construct, Sessk Woe Spreader, Oni for Ungues of the Oni, Chor the Bladed, Eshim Mindclouder, Zehnehlun Fastfoot, Shrieker of Dread, Onslaught of Terror, and Tureksin the Delegator. The reason I'm listing this is to say that A/E farming is, in my opinion, the fastest, most effective ways to farm greens.
Here is my advice:
Ensure you have 12 earth magic (duh), Glyph of Elemental Power, Enchantments last 20% longer right hand. That will give you at least 13 seconds of sliver armor with 35 earth damage. I use an Earth Magic +1 (20%) offhand, but I don't think I've ever needed it.
Begin by farming Sessk Woe Spreader outside of Eredon Terrace. Although the Woe Spreader isn't worth 30+k anymore, it's a relatively easy farm and it's a short walk.
If it fails to target the boss or you can see that it's not going to kill the boss, simply Dash/Dark Escape away to recover and try again.
Use the damage monitor to see what is hitting you through Shadow Form. This may be useful in adjusting your skills to counter if it's only one skill that's getting through. If not consider bringing Feigned Neutrality for the added armor and life regeneration.
Shadow of Haste may be necessary in the more difficult areas to run away using a stance cancel.
Practice. It's easy once you get the hang of it, but it's difficult to get the hang of. Don't get discouraged.
I hope this helps you out.
Cambeul
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2006
N/Me
31 Dec 2006 at 09:23 - 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
Edit: my weapon of choice is Galigord's Staff, though I haven't really looked at other stuff.
Have not read through all of post, but I find a Melee weapon the best choice. Totem Axe, HoD sword or whatever. As I find when you melee a target your sliver armor targets him as well, but with a staff it is sometimes random. I dont know if that will help anyone out with this or not?
Evilsod
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
England
Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
01 Jan 2007 at 02:31 - 32
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Originally Posted by Cambeul
Have not read through all of post, but I find a Melee weapon the best choice. Totem Axe, HoD sword or whatever. As I find when you melee a target your sliver armor targets him as well, but with a staff it is sometimes random. I dont know if that will help anyone out with this or not?
Not really. Holding a melee weapon triggers anti-melee attacks to target you, including things like Throw Dirt, which brings more things closer to you. Which is never a good thing.
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Well, I wasn't sure but doesn't shadow form not protect you from the same indirect spells? I was just kind of thinking pure earth and serpent's quickness with maybe trolls ungent could do alright to keep tanking enemies longer while they kill the boss and survive more. Or maybe even e/d with the mystic regent enchant.
Well yeah... but at least with thsi you can run Dark Escape or just bring Shadow Refuge and attack to get the bonus health. Either way you should be a safe distance from anything when you cancel Shadow of Haste.
ibex333
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
Brooklyn, NY
[EYE]
Rt/A
03 Jan 2007 at 19:24 - 33
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Originally Posted by SongofSerenity
I've made over 500k farming as an A/E so the build most decidedly does work (granted most of that was back when greens were actually worth something). Although I have not attempted to farm Sskai and Geoffer, I have successfully farmed the following (and by successful, I don't mean I killed him once out of twenty tries.. I mean consistently killed): Jayne Forestlight, Strongroot Tanglebranch, Sunreach Warmaker, The Scar Eater, Monk's Construct, Sessk Woe Spreader, Oni for Ungues of the Oni, Chor the Bladed, Eshim Mindclouder, Zehnehlun Fastfoot, Shrieker of Dread, Onslaught of Terror, and Tureksin the Delegator. The reason I'm listing this is to say that A/E farming is, in my opinion, the fastest, most effective ways to farm greens.
Here is my advice:
Ensure you have 12 earth magic (duh), Glyph of Elemental Power, Enchantments last 20% longer right hand. That will give you at least 13 seconds of sliver armor with 35 earth damage. I use an Earth Magic +1 (20%) offhand, but I don't think I've ever needed it.
Begin by farming Sessk Woe Spreader outside of Eredon Terrace. Although the Woe Spreader isn't worth 30+k anymore, it's a relatively easy farm and it's a short walk.
If it fails to target the boss or you can see that it's not going to kill the boss, simply Dash/Dark Escape away to recover and try again.
Use the damage monitor to see what is hitting you through Shadow Form. This may be useful in adjusting your skills to counter if it's only one skill that's getting through. If not consider bringing Feigned Neutrality for the added armor and life regeneration.
Shadow of Haste may be necessary in the more difficult areas to run away using a stance cancel.
Practice. It's easy once you get the hang of it, but it's difficult to get the hang of. Don't get discouraged.
I hope this helps you out.
I thin Anet nerfed the build somehow... I did everything exactly like you said, and still the build doesnt work. I tried the mesmers construct, but sliver armor refuses to target him. Sometimes it starts hitting him for 3-4 sec, but then switches to nearest warrior that's pounding on me. I tried again.. and again, and again... many many times. Sliver armor doesnt target the boss it always targets someone else.
Then I tried Ssyn Coiled Clasp.. same thing... sliver armor always targets something else... either Ssyn's rit spirit, or some random naga nearby.
Same thing happens with Ssun Dwayna's Blessed. Mabe this thing somehow works in Elona, but doesnt work in Cantha anymore.
VitisVinifera
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Northern California
HoTR
N/Me
03 Jan 2007 at 19:42 - 34
it wasn't nerfed, the fact is, sliver armor is pretty tough to get it to target the boss, as it's somewhat random, but also, if it looks like you have your target open, and you teleport to him, when you actually appear there the mob may have reshuffled and you are no longer closest to the target.
I've tried this a lot, and it's best to go for boss mobs where there are no melee fighters (very rare). I can think of an entire 2 bosses in NF that fits this bill, and both can be done easily and consistently. But when you are trying your luck with mixed mobs, it's unreliable at best. However, for certain bosses where it's virtually impossible to farm them any other way, this is probably the best there is.
I run about every type of farmer/soloer there is, and this one is the most frustrating. Personally I'm having a lot of fun atm with the a/me tombs soloer.
SongofSerenity
Academy Page
Join Date: Jun 2006
Istan, Elona
Les Deux Mains Noires [Noir]
03 Jan 2007 at 21:09 - 35
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Originally Posted by ibex333
I thin Anet nerfed the build somehow... I did everything exactly like you said, and still the build doesnt work. I tried the mesmers construct, but sliver armor refuses to target him. Sometimes it starts hitting him for 3-4 sec, but then switches to nearest warrior that's pounding on me. I tried again.. and again, and again... many many times. Sliver armor doesnt target the boss it always targets someone else.
Then I tried Ssyn Coiled Clasp.. same thing... sliver armor always targets something else... either Ssyn's rit spirit, or some random naga nearby.
Same thing happens with Ssun Dwayna's Blessed. Mabe this thing somehow works in Elona, but doesnt work in Cantha anymore.
I just killed Synn Coiled Grasp (to check to make sure if maybe it there was something about the two bosses you mentioned). Not only are Canthan bosses equally farmable, but their quite easy compared to their Nightfall counterparts due to the lack of Dervishes using untargeted attacks.
Are you using Death's Charge to jump in right next to the boss? Are you using a 20% enchanting weapon?
Ah Exuro... if u take the bonus and a scroll with u, u get 1800 xp from that dude alone (I solo him on my monk...)
Haven't been to DoA with this, but I'm pretty sure it would work, atleast in some area's, there is one area with touchers I believe, I don't think that will be much of a success.. but the others will work... perhaps a good way to get the titan gems which still go for a decent amount of money...
Kelson
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2006
04 Jan 2007 at 06:50 - 37
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Really? You don't have a chance in hell of farming Sskai with E/A//A/E.
This isn't entirely true, I have managed to kill Sskai as a A/E. There is a group of Oni that spawns near him on occasion, and if you can drag them and his group to him, he can be taken down.
It is a serious pain in the ass, however, and once I managed it once, I gave it up. Far too many easier ways to kill him.
ibex333
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
Brooklyn, NY
[EYE]
Rt/A
04 Jan 2007 at 17:49 - 38
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Originally Posted by SongofSerenity
I just killed Synn Coiled Grasp (to check to make sure if maybe it there was something about the two bosses you mentioned). Not only are Canthan bosses equally farmable, but their quite easy compared to their Nightfall counterparts due to the lack of Dervishes using untargeted attacks.
Are you using Death's Charge to jump in right next to the boss? Are you using a 20% enchanting weapon?
Heh.. You were right.. the build does work. But I can only kill Ssesk Woespreader. In case of the constructs the sliver armor refuses to target them or shadow form ends before they are dead. Mabe I just need more experience. Thank you for your help. I'll keep practicing.
Thats the downside of this build. OVer Half the time you will get unlucky and it will not target the boss, you really have to look out for the mobsthat run in after you shadow step to the boss, sunreach was a pain in the ass to do this >_>
so just try, try ,try again
Abyss1
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2006
Holland
Newbies 'R Us [NRU]
A/E
10 Jan 2007 at 10:28 - 40
Ok in my experience running 3 sliver armor farm builds , E/A, A/E and Mo/E, I can say your luck depends on how spread out the groups are. in general you have a 50/50 chance the attack goes right. some things that can turn the odds are :
-group build, compact groups tend to cause sliver armor to switch target (think of lots of warriors in a group)
-Movement was your target moving when you started sliver armor , in my experience you are more likely to loose the right target if so(this is the case in an early agro for instance).
Typing this up sliver armor is really depended on your target the above two examples are most common that I have come across for loosing the right target.
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