Why do people prefer Tiger's Fury over Lightning Reflexes, even when they aren't using any other Beast Mastery skills?
Also how much of an effect does IAS have on barrage?
Livingston
Lightning Reflexes
Livingston
ss1986v2
ok, assume an 8 in beast mastery:
Tiger's Fury
10 energy, 10 second recharge
All your non-attack skills are disabled for 5 seconds. For 8 seconds, you attack 25% faster.
and just to further show the point, assume expertise at 13:
Lightning Reflexes
10 energy, 45 second recharge
For 10 seconds, you have a 75% chance to "evade" melee and projectile attacks, and you attack 33% faster.
with tiger's fury, you have a 2 second down time.
with lighting reflexes, you have a 35 second down time.
you rly want a "on-demand" IAS, not an occasional one.
Tiger's Fury
10 energy, 10 second recharge
All your non-attack skills are disabled for 5 seconds. For 8 seconds, you attack 25% faster.
and just to further show the point, assume expertise at 13:
Lightning Reflexes
10 energy, 45 second recharge
For 10 seconds, you have a 75% chance to "evade" melee and projectile attacks, and you attack 33% faster.
with tiger's fury, you have a 2 second down time.
with lighting reflexes, you have a 35 second down time.
you rly want a "on-demand" IAS, not an occasional one.
Livingston
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Originally Posted by ss1986v2
ok, assume an 8 in beast mastery:
Tiger's Fury
10 energy, 10 second recharge
All your non-attack skills are disabled for 5 seconds. For 8 seconds, you attack 25% faster.
and just to further show the point, assume expertise at 13:
Lightning Reflexes
10 energy, 45 second recharge
For 10 seconds, you have a 75% chance to "evade" melee and projectile attacks, and you attack 33% faster.
with tiger's fury, you have a 2 second down time.
with lighting reflexes, you have a 35 second down time.
you rly want a "on-demand" IAS, not an occasional one. Ah, sorry I'm apparently an idiot.
I didn't even look at the recharge time. Was just going through the skills and wondered why I never used it. Now I remember why I initially passed it by...
Whats the word on IAS and barrage.
I'm looking at creating a decent build for my Ranger Hero and would like to use a couple of different builds that are a bit outside of the standards.
Livingston
Tiger's Fury
10 energy, 10 second recharge
All your non-attack skills are disabled for 5 seconds. For 8 seconds, you attack 25% faster.
and just to further show the point, assume expertise at 13:
Lightning Reflexes
10 energy, 45 second recharge
For 10 seconds, you have a 75% chance to "evade" melee and projectile attacks, and you attack 33% faster.
with tiger's fury, you have a 2 second down time.
with lighting reflexes, you have a 35 second down time.
you rly want a "on-demand" IAS, not an occasional one. Ah, sorry I'm apparently an idiot.
I didn't even look at the recharge time. Was just going through the skills and wondered why I never used it. Now I remember why I initially passed it by...
Whats the word on IAS and barrage.
I'm looking at creating a decent build for my Ranger Hero and would like to use a couple of different builds that are a bit outside of the standards.
Livingston
Sir Mad
IAS and barrage? Definitely Flail: no drawback in PvE (you woudnt use barrage in PvP anyway). LR is a nice skill but its recharge time is a bad point. As Archon pointed, it's good with CG build to cancel frenzy or even flury when you're under preasure so you keep the IAS but it's not viable alone as an IAS because of it duration/recharge.
Livingston
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
IAS and barrage? Definitely Flail: no drawback in PvE (you woudnt use barrage in PvP anyway).
Hmm, then why do I never see any IAS on barrage builds? oO?
Livingston
Livingston
Sir Mad
If you play barrage in the tombs or in FoW you generally wanna be a R/Mo for the hard rez. In this case the only IAS you can take is TF, but it's highly energy consuming. Otherwise, Flail is your best bet, really.
EDIT - And don't ask me about it, I've been spamming this forum about flail since one week after the release of NF or so about this skill, and actually many players seem to use it now
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EDIT - And don't ask me about it, I've been spamming this forum about flail since one week after the release of NF or so about this skill, and actually many players seem to use it now
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Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
EDIT - And don't ask me about it, I've been spamming this forum about flail since one week after the release of NF or so about this skill, and actually many players seem to use it now
Congrats... i made the first post months/weeks before NF was even released when i was reading the skill lists.
Tombs barraging R/W backfires horribly. I use to run "I Will Avenge You" down there. But i tend to do the luring too and getting hit with blind/cripple in an instant is a serious pain in the arse. At least with the IWAY version you didn't have to bore yourself to death having to spam 2 skills (Flail and Barrage) and with teh plus side of +3regen even if you did lose out on the slightly higher IAS, which doesn't make too much difference depending on...
...your bow. Personally i think using an IAS on a Barrager who uses a Short/Flat/Recurve/Longbow makes you look like a bit of a tit. It doesn't really seem that beneficial either as you almost always break action mid attempt to fire a normal arrow, with the occasional accidental normal shot fired which would decrease your overall damage as you'd have to wait longer to fire another barrage. Isn't beneficial to have the centre target of a Barraged mob taking more damage either. If your bringing a Hornbow though, the action is sped up nicely, goes nice and smoothly and quite obviously increases your damage. By how much... i dunno, i'm not quite bored enough to run number crunching tests.
Congrats... i made the first post months/weeks before NF was even released when i was reading the skill lists.Tombs barraging R/W backfires horribly. I use to run "I Will Avenge You" down there. But i tend to do the luring too and getting hit with blind/cripple in an instant is a serious pain in the arse. At least with the IWAY version you didn't have to bore yourself to death having to spam 2 skills (Flail and Barrage) and with teh plus side of +3regen even if you did lose out on the slightly higher IAS, which doesn't make too much difference depending on...
...your bow. Personally i think using an IAS on a Barrager who uses a Short/Flat/Recurve/Longbow makes you look like a bit of a tit. It doesn't really seem that beneficial either as you almost always break action mid attempt to fire a normal arrow, with the occasional accidental normal shot fired which would decrease your overall damage as you'd have to wait longer to fire another barrage. Isn't beneficial to have the centre target of a Barraged mob taking more damage either. If your bringing a Hornbow though, the action is sped up nicely, goes nice and smoothly and quite obviously increases your damage. By how much... i dunno, i'm not quite bored enough to run number crunching tests.
XvArchonvX
Since LR can't be kept up constantly it really doesn't justify itself as a legitamate IAS. While it can work as a backup IAS to keep up pressure while taking damage or as a cancel IAS for Frenzy, it is generally seen as an inferior IAS and inferior defensive stance.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
Since LR can't be kept up constantly it really doesn't justify itself as a legitamate IAS. While it can work as a backup IAS to keep up pressure while taking damage or as a cancel IAS for Frenzy, it is generally seen as an inferior IAS and inferior defensive stance.
Tbh i think its better described as an enemy skill. Its 1 of those things that have a very limited use for us since our fights could come quicker than once every 45s, and more useful for the enemies out there who will always use it to protect some vital skills (Call of the Torment, Troll Unguent) or similar when at lower health.
anshin
i only use LR and one of the reasons i do is because of the high expertise(15)...
barrage is a normal bow attack... it takes around 2 seconds to make each bow attack... i think short bow has the shortest fire rate and it is 2 seconds even...
well... with a short bow it takes 2 seconds per barrage... you can fire 33% faster but in order for you to not do those "mid attack interruptions" you just have to push barrage when you are firing the bow... attack+barrage+attack... like this you have a good usage out of LR...
it really has a long recharge time...although:
you enter battle... you obviously don't use it right away... in those 5 seconds where you don't use it one foe is already near death or half health... you activate the skill...kill a foe each 5 seconds... bottom line is... between finishing one battle and going towards the next one... LR is recharged...
although... i don't use IAS...
barrage is a normal bow attack... it takes around 2 seconds to make each bow attack... i think short bow has the shortest fire rate and it is 2 seconds even...
well... with a short bow it takes 2 seconds per barrage... you can fire 33% faster but in order for you to not do those "mid attack interruptions" you just have to push barrage when you are firing the bow... attack+barrage+attack... like this you have a good usage out of LR...
it really has a long recharge time...although:
you enter battle... you obviously don't use it right away... in those 5 seconds where you don't use it one foe is already near death or half health... you activate the skill...kill a foe each 5 seconds... bottom line is... between finishing one battle and going towards the next one... LR is recharged...
although... i don't use IAS...
SnipiousMax
^ Interrupting the attack animation doesn't slow it down at all. But with an IAS a few normal shots slip out despite your best effort.
Here is that post by Jenosavel, Livingston. Turns out that not only is an IAS good for barrage, it makes a Hornbow that much more attractive for barrage!
And I'd also second the suggestions for Flail as your IAS... Tiger's Fury isn't really worth the energy since they dropped it to 25% instead of 33%.
Here is that post by Jenosavel, Livingston. Turns out that not only is an IAS good for barrage, it makes a Hornbow that much more attractive for barrage!
And I'd also second the suggestions for Flail as your IAS... Tiger's Fury isn't really worth the energy since they dropped it to 25% instead of 33%.
anshin
sorry but i think it does snipious... if you make the character attack with a skill while he is stretching the rope pulling back the arrow he will stop and pull another arrow taking another 1,5 or so seconds....
anshin
sorry but i think it does snipious... if you make the character attack with a skill while he is stretching the rope pulling back the arrow he will stop and pull another arrow taking another 1,5 or so seconds....
believe me.... i do alot of that...
EDIT: why did this thing posted twice my answer? O.o
believe me.... i do alot of that...
EDIT: why did this thing posted twice my answer? O.o
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by anshin
sorry but i think it does snipious...
Did you read through the thread I linked?
Regardless, it's easy enough to test on your own. Go to Isle of the nameless, see how many barrages you can do without an IAS in a set amount of time. Then use and IAS and count how many barrages you can do in a set amount of time. Turns out even with the jerky animation, and a few normal shots slipping out... you'll get more if you use an IAS.
Regardless, it's easy enough to test on your own. Go to Isle of the nameless, see how many barrages you can do without an IAS in a set amount of time. Then use and IAS and count how many barrages you can do in a set amount of time. Turns out even with the jerky animation, and a few normal shots slipping out... you'll get more if you use an IAS.
ss1986v2
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Originally Posted by anshin
sorry but i think it does snipious... if you make the character attack with a skill while he is stretching the rope pulling back the arrow he will stop and pull another arrow taking another 1,5 or so seconds....
believe me.... i do alot of that... read Jenosavel's post supplied by Snipious. or just try it out yourself. its true.
believe me.... i do alot of that... read Jenosavel's post supplied by Snipious. or just try it out yourself. its true.
Age
I thought LF was a stance more for defence rather than IaS.
lennymon
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I thought LF was a stance more for defence rather than IaS.
thats the beauty, its both... LF really shines on a thumper with the R/W ability to renew stances. When you are wielding a bow, the stance renewal utility is decreased severely limiting the effectiveness of LR, even when you're an R/W. Most folks choose flail/frenzy/flurry depending on applicationand build when looking for an IAS as an R/W archer. IF /W isn't an option (and why the flail not?) then TF and its clone are the best available IAS stances as far as I know. The problem with LR isn't that it is a bad skill, just that it's good enough to force a long recharge to compensate. With even a 30 sec recharge LR would get a ton more use, but as it is the skill is situational sadly.
Another option I've been testing is aggressive refrain/go for the eyes and barrage. Advantages are that its self reapplying in combat as long as you keep hitting GFtE, paragon offers hard res (signet of return) and obviously the synergy with GFtE/barrage/crits. Disadvantages are initial cost (which is NOT reduced by expertise as an echo) which means most every fight you'll be starting with lower energy, takes up 2 skill slots and is a MERE +25% ias.
Another option I've been testing is aggressive refrain/go for the eyes and barrage. Advantages are that its self reapplying in combat as long as you keep hitting GFtE, paragon offers hard res (signet of return) and obviously the synergy with GFtE/barrage/crits. Disadvantages are initial cost (which is NOT reduced by expertise as an echo) which means most every fight you'll be starting with lower energy, takes up 2 skill slots and is a MERE +25% ias.