Mallyx Killed: Bad Truth Behind DoA Revealed

Bocjo Bassannn

Bocjo Bassannn

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

Pervs R Us {pErV}

Mo/Me

Grats on beating him and /sigh on the reward ...... for something this time consumeing even ONE reused skin is an insult...


I have seen the artwork and loved the look of this game from day 1. I can not imagine why one artist couldn't have spent the amt of time it takes to compleate this "elite mission" into drawing up some amazing new wepon skins as rewards for it. The amazing artists that helped make our game bad ass to look at couldn't be bothered to draw up some new skins??!! or was the money not there to pay them for there time? .. This is a let down to say the least......

Sheol

Sheol

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

涼宮ハルヒ主義 [SOS団]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
edit: Meh, I took a closer look at the weapons and it appears they are photoshopped. Note the pixels around the stats of Mallyx's weapons.
possible loss of quality from conversion to jpeg?

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
the sooner you realize that GW is not about drops, the sooner you understand why the drops are crappy.
Exactly what I was thinking.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
^ It seemed more like sarcasm. But then again...
No, im not being sarcastic at all.

The drops in GW are pretty crappy.

Elona's been giving me crappy drops.

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The issue here, is that Anet promised us a MISSION. Not a quest.

But the way i look at it....a mission would be WAY WAY too hard, since you cant respawn.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

More greens *sigh* a gold weapon with a skin worthy of the challenge would have been more fitting.

One day they will add the Crystalline axe...

ubermancer

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

******************* Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
Very disappointing

It seems like I won't be revisiting DoA anytime soon.



edit: Meh, I took a closer look at the weapons and it appears they are photoshopped. Note the pixels around the stats of Mallyx's weapons.

You are comparing pixels on a JPG??

You do know that the JPG file format isnt a bitmap, but a collection of vectors... right? And how lossy they are saved varies between programs? Right?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
No, im not being sarcastic at all.

The drops in GW are pretty crappy.

Elona's been giving me crappy drops.

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The issue here, is that Anet promised us a MISSION. Not a quest.

But the way i look at it....a mission would be WAY WAY too hard, since you cant respawn.
I was referring to Sirius.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by ubermancer
You are comparing pixels on a JPG??

You do know that the JPG file format isnt a bitmap, but a collection of vectors... right? And how lossy they are saved varies between programs? Right?
Yes, and if you would have bothered to read the entire discussion on this you would realize that the whole thing has already been discussed about jpegs and such. (No need to beat a dead horse )

Zexion

Zexion

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Warrior Nation [WN]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chop it Off
wow, i couldnt agree more.
Well, a mission would not be way to hard because of no respawn, seeing as you can't respawn in the DoA quests either.

But GG ANet. Making the final boss of the GWN elite mission drop a SPAWNING POWER green? A wand for the primary attribute of a GWF prof?!?!

Standalone chapters my ass!

_Zexion

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Wow... it really seems like a complete waste of time.

Personally i don't see what the challenge(sp?) is in using cookie cutter builds (variation... as if) against stupidly overpowered enemies to get the same old crap as before. Theres a reason Urgoz's Longbow was the most valuable of the lot. Now we find out that to do the most challenging part of it we have to spend our time doing the old quests over and over?

Maybe you see it differently. Maybe you just want to be the person to come up with that new cookie cutter build. Maybe your just bored shitless and have nothing else to do.

And i may be wrong but aren't pretty much all the enemies down there recycled skins from chapters past or recycled skins from Nightfall itself or just enemies from chapters past with slightly different skill sets? Anet hardly put there back into this chapter did they. The story is pretty good i won't deny it, but skinwise some of it is extremely half arsed. (Rain/Rock Beetles are laughable )

Kay84

Kay84

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Netherlands

[DVDF]

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Grats on beating Mallyx.

Hmm.. I wonder what consequences this will have.

buy and die

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kay84
Grats on beating Mallyx.

Hmm.. I wonder what consequences this will have.
Seeing as even the harcore and longtime players that were all sticky about GWs gameplay and whatnot got pissed after they heard about what a hit in the face DoA really is (including admins on these very boards) I guess anet is finally starting to nail their coffin instead of laying in it laughing at their community. GOGOGO ANET!!1

Avarre

Avarre

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314

You get to do the quest again!
I was talking to Shanaeri a few days ago and mentioned that this would probably be the case. It allows players that wish to farm for the Armbrace the ability to pick up an extra four gems continually as they clear the areas.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
But the way i look at it....a mission would be WAY WAY too hard, since you cant respawn.
That didn't stop people completing the explorable areas, all which have no respawn (just like missions, hey!). So I doubt it would be too impossible if it was implemented.

Annnyways, no real opinion on this issue except this is clearly a very high-quality thread indeed.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
Tookis, I saved the Koosun staff as a jpeg and no pixels around it. And than the huge picture I showed was also a jpeg and still no pixels around the staff.

edit: But than again I'm not an expert when it comes to distinguishing between real guild wars images and fake ones. The items just seemed to stick out way to much.
These photoshop-pro, CSI-wannabe people never fail to make me go "LOL".

No offence.

Zinger314

Zinger314

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Join Date: May 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Annnyways, no real opinion on this issue except this is clearly a very high-quality thread indeed.
No, this thread is a .jpg.

Avarre

Avarre

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Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
No, this thread is a .jpg.
In terms of the clarity of the arguments used by those complaining, yes...

snikerz

snikerz

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Rt/A

hmmm rubbish skins/stats, i wouldnt pay 5k for the mallyx bow.

heres a bow with exactially the same skin, and better stats.

obviously the +5 nrg and lengthen cripple is used with crippling shot(e)

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
These photoshop-pro, CSI-wannabe people never fail to make me go "LOL".

No offence.

Offense taken. Besides when someone claims they're the first to beat something and show some less than high quality pictures of greens there's bound to be some suspiscion.

scarbringer

scarbringer

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Illinois

URUK

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hmmm i wont believe the skins until i see them ingame or get them myself

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Why not show Mallyx dead body screenshot instead? I am waiting.

Maika Boila Radovu

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Starfleet Intelligence Guild

R/Mo

Congratulations to all who overcame this challenge.

gimpy wimmer

Academy Page

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texas...oooooyaaa

Shadow Knights [SK]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by NeHoMaR
Why not show Mallyx dead body screenshot instead? I am waiting.
theres a pic of the chest which pops up after he dies listing all the greens im sure thats good enough

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeHoMaR
Why not show Mallyx dead body screenshot instead? I am waiting.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/a...2&d=1166306309

Closest thing to him dead.

Sli Ander

Sli Ander

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Deep in Maguuma, by the Falls

Liberators of Agony

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314


What gets me the most(besides the lack of a mission area) are the stats themselves. As somebody in this thread already pointed out, you can get another green bow with the same stats in Nightfall. And you can get two similar ones in Prophecies, Gargash's and Elswyths both come close.

If the skins were new(Like zodiac, crystalline, etc.) then the stats wouldn't matter to most people, but I suppose they felt the "new skin" req was met by torment weapons.

I just don't see much point to this area now, except for those that want to own all the greens in the game.

But that's just my two cents

/instaedit: the hammer showed has the exact stats of Victo's Maul.

Taurus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mexico

Go for the eyes [jizz]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderStruck
Note to self: Don't bother with DoA...
...unless you're interested in challenge and fun over plain loot.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

I suppose they wanted to give the really rare greens different stats than the normal 20/20 15^50 +30 that everyone always goes after.

AlienFromBeyond

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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Wow, that's really really lame. No wonder I've started to stop playing Guild Wars. I'm really thinking of picking up WoW again, at least then I get some advancement for killing ridiculous amounts of monsters for hours on end. These items don't have have great stats or a unique skin. No more DoA for me, even if the Tormented weapons end up looking really cool. I'd rather farm FoW spiders and buy one than go through all the areas of DoA so many time to be able to get a Vambrace =/.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

No bad news for me, I wasn't expecting anything more, maybe except more rare skins for the final greens, because those are quite common. So the tormented items and coffers of whispers are the real DoA rewards. Fine, DoA will remain the top end game zone for a long time as it has the best rewards around anywyay.

also, need a better screenshot of that wolf-hammer like wand + english description.

Spike

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

In front of my PC

Kai

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taurus
...unless you're interested in challenge and fun over plain loot.
Stupidly over powered monsters and dieing in seconds IS NOT FUN. Since when is it a challenge when all you have to do is exploit the AI. The only reason you would EVER want to replay this IS FOR THE LOOT. See I was right all along. As I've said before this is area IS A WASTE of time and effort. You could have done so much more in the same time.

Kalki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

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W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderStruck
Note to self: Don't bother with DoA...
Halleluyah another casual gamer sees the light. Have a nice day.

Oh and I forgot to say congratulations (maybe I'm a bit jealous to not be among the first ) because of all this whining, but of course a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS to those that were the first to beat Mallyx. I knew is would be the Germans or Koreans first

Hou Lifu

Hou Lifu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Modus Operandi [MO]

Simply put: It was probably rushed. I just don't find it justifiable or unfulfilling to put in an 8 man-party quest when the instruction manual specifically says, "In an Elite Mission, a cooperative team of up to twelve high-level characters works [sic] together." So whatever happened to twelve man teams?

At least with this news, I won't even bother with the rest of DoA. Highly disappointed.

Redfeather1975

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This more than likely has to do with time constraints and an urgency to release DOA by a specific date.
I may be paranoid too, but I kinda feel the bug that stopped people from getting to Mallyx was a stall tactic to finish the area. And that the greens he drops were rushed in there by reusing skins.

Am I paranoid, or does that sound the most plausible. That it was really about time constraints and shortcuts to get DOA out there by a certain date.

Hou Lifu

Hou Lifu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Modus Operandi [MO]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a ploy to finish up the last part, because from I've seen/heard, that's what I can ignorantly infer.

This is in no way to say that I'm right, just speculation.

Toll Booth Willie

Toll Booth Willie

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Join Date: Aug 2005

tn, usa

E/Mo

Thats a shame if those are the rewards.

IMO its worse to complete the quest for the "challenge", for all the time you spent all you have is normal looking weapons and a story of the days you spent there. I mean what if they made fow armor look like 1.5k drok, would you still take the time to farm the materials needed just to say you have it, even though it looks the same. Since gw doesn't have any rare stats/mods the only thing that matters is skins. I have a gold azure bow low req i got from a chest and can make exactly like that green for nearly nothing... 5 min chest run + mods you probably have lying around or a rediculous amout of time spent completing this quest... rip doa

Jeff Highwind

Jeff Highwind

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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R/Mo

Psch, I have a better Azure Recurve than ol'Mallyx's. Maybe they should make me a boss and have the bow dropped called "Highwind's Pocket Aces?"

Though the copyright infringement would be a problem. >_>;

Guardian of the Light

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

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I wonder if they took my idea on a boss I preposed and added a 1 weapon per player idea to it.

One thing I said was that the weapon should be decided on the highest attribute of the player and I wonder if this is true.

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

mallyx's less then desirable green drops should be offset by the tormented weapons depending on how the tormented weaps turnout.

i believe it would be overkill to have unique green drops from mallyx and the option for tormented weapons.

ThunderStruck

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Arctic Marauders [TAM]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taurus
...unless you're interested in challenge and fun over plain loot.
Spike's response basically is my exact same opinion...


Since I am a pretty casual gamer, why would I spend my rare chunks of playing time getting dominated by overpowered enemies for no real gain? That isn't my view of fun.

I know Guild Wars is not about loot, but are you trying to say you aren't at ALL disappointed by the fact that Mallyx's greens are nothing special?

Desires

Desires

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Join Date: Jan 2006

A/

Another nail in anets coffin. When will they learn that trying to rush half completed projects out will just turn people away. To those who say oh its a chanlange that the reward. I must ask how sending a tank in then nuking the shit out of everything is a challange. Even if malayx is enjoyable or challaging to fight you get to do the whole bond-->tank-->nuke again and again. Anet is more else killed/killing pvp and now their just proving that they can not handle the work load and/or under staffed due to no monthly fees. Really if gw surives its next chapter i'll be suprised cause atm its anet not meeting their planned dates and shoving half assed updates out followed by a rep spweing double talk about things like well we can only print the manuals once or we never promised an elite its merely a free gift.

Summary Doa blows/GW is doomed/anet is dropping the ball/Gaile just double talks/and WoW is starting to look decent.

Sli Ander

Sli Ander

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Deep in Maguuma, by the Falls

Liberators of Agony

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by korcan
mallyx's less then desirable green drops should be offset by the tormented weapons depending on how the tormented weaps turnout.

i believe it would be overkill to have unique green drops from mallyx and the option for tormented weapons.
I'd have to agree with you on the Tormented weapons. I think this area is for the people who do enjoy that style of play, the challenge of the area. Even if its just 5% of the population, it will keep them happy for a while.

And those that want the tormented skins (because they like the look,etc) will either populate the area to farm the jewels, or they will simply farm other areas and buy them from players that do farm the area.

It will really depend on what builds crop up for DOA, and who enjoys using them.

But that's just my two cents