GuildWars is a RIP OFF from Dungeon Siege?

Condor San

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Do a comparsion between those two game with the established date on wikipedia. Both games used the famous song composer Jeremy Soule.
I realized this when i played Dungeon Siege 2 last night (which was 10x better then GW in single player mode with interesting story modes that use 99% professional voice acting, sophisticate obedient henchmens, kick ass casting animation with cool effect that has this gruesome fatality animation to each mob you slain.)

Heres the proof that GuildWars is a rip off from Dungeon Siege series. or AM I mistaken?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Siege

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildwars

DeanBB

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They use the same music composer so they are related? Do you know how many games he has done the music for?

I see absolutely no similarity between the two games. Have you even played GW?

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Thanks for the laugh.

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I hope you didn't intend for this thread to be taken seriously, because it won't be.

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Yeah, Jeremy Soule's done the music for a LOT of games. I've played Dungeon Siege, and beyond the fact that they're both action-oriented RPGs, there's not much similarity between the two.

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Wikipedia is not and never will be a credible source of information therefore it cannot ever offer "proof" of anything.

Muk Utep

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What a dumb joke. It is a joke, right?

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and Dungeon Siege is rip off from Diablo. End of story

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* Armies of Exigo
* Amen: The Awakening (Fully Orchestral & Recorded Score / Cancelled Game)
* Azurik: Rise of Perathia (XBOX Launch Title / Recorded in Prague)
* Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
* Company of Heroes
* Dungeon Siege
* Dungeon Siege II
* The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
* The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Winner of 2006 MTV VMA)
* Giants: Citizen Kabuto
* Guild Wars Prophecies
* Guild Wars Factions
* Guild Wars Nightfall
* Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (Video Game)
* Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Video Game / Recorded at Phoenix Studios / Winner of 2003 BAFTA)
* Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Video Game / Recorded at Air Lyndhurst)
* Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Video Game / Recorded at Air Lyndhurst)
* Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup (Video Game / Recorded at Air Lyndhurst)
* Icewind Dale
* Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
* Natural Selection (Half-Life modification)
* Neverwinter Nights
* Prey
* Secret of Evermore (SquareSoft's only title to use an American composer)
* Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
* Star Wars: Bounty Hunter
* Sovereign (Fully Orchestral & Recorded Score / Cancelled Game)
* Supreme Commander
* Total Annihilation (Recorded in Seattle, WA)
* Total Annihilation: Core Contingency
* Total Annihilation: Kingdoms
* Unreal II
* Warhammer: Mark of Chaos
* Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War


And theres the list of all the other games Mr. Soule has scored(that means he did the music)

Afraid youll have to do a bit better than some weak ass comparison of the games to having the same composer means they ripped DS2 off.....WAKE UP Troll.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
Both games used the famous song composer Jeremy Soule.
and many other games ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Soule

Addone_Abaddon

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why register on a guild wars forum and complaining about a sprite looking rpg being better than gw.

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Jeremy Soule did the music for Neverwinter Nights, Total Annihilation, Icewind Dale... and a ton of other MUST HAVE game music.

I can make comparisons about GW and PnP D&D... big deal.

In other words: Thank you, drive through.

Antheus

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Heh, the other way around.

First, there was Rogue.

Rogue was adapted by Usenet community, and it spawned Nethack.

Blizzard did a though experiment "How would we do Nethack today", and Diablo was launched.

With tremendous success, Diablo influenced the genre. One of the few successful followups was made by a startup Gas Powered Games, which used Diablo design, but added some twists, like NPC team members and seamless transition between areas without loading.

Then came Diablo 2, along with Battlenet.

Work on World of Warcraft begins. Designers come into conflict over gameplay. One side argues for grind and time based model, taken straight from Everquest (they even bring in EQ designers), the other side argues with skill based aproach.

As a followup, Jeff (author of BattleNet) leaves Blizzard to found Arena Net.

During the next ~5 years, GW is developed.

And the rest, is history.

On a personal note, I've found Dungeon Siege so boring, I never finished it. Completely mindless slaughter of unchallenging mobs. Which reminds me why I no longer play single-player games.

But overall, DS is simply a game that met short success due to Diablo hype, but couldn't live up to Blizzards standards, hence the expansion and sequel turned out as quite mediocre, more of the same, no substance games. The genre at that time was exhausted, and true online was the way to go. DS is just an example of genre overspecialization.

Additionally, when DS launched, it was hyped as "true Diablo sequel", until D2 added some necessary patches, and let DS in the dust with regards to replayability, features, and depth. DS sequels and addons never could repeat the success of initial version, and DS genre remained it's own niche market that never evolved adequately to become a major contender.

As a funny tidbit on who copied who (from your link):
Quote:
Dungeon Siege has an unlockable bonus level called Chicken World (see Cow Level of Diablo II) . You need three items to achieve this: the newbie knife (your first weapon), the fury eye (can be found in water caverns) and the trial of gallus book (which is in the town of Hiroth, obtained after placing all the town stones on the platforms). Then, start/join a multiplayer game on the map Utraean Peninsula. Choose the town of Quillrabe to start in.

Condor San

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanBB
They use the same music composer so they are related? Do you know how many games he has done the music for?

I see absolutely no similarity between the two games. Have you even played GW?
examine those screenshot between both of the games closelyand you'll find similarities.

lol of course I play GW, played it since ob/cb when Skill Charms was widely used, or the famous event where NON able to find a counter to Warrior monk aka the Paladin which noobs keep making post on GW fansite forum saying they're overpower.
I only got Prophecy, knowing Faction would be a dissapointment and Nightfall is no different than Prophecies clone (like the starter beginning newbie map, it just facing the opposite direction from Prophecy) GW is to boring for my taste imho)

BTW This post isn't about hurting GW fanboi feelings. my bad if you feel that way.

anway.. gonna go back to BF2142 a real PVP games. Or dungeon siege 2 if i wanna do some exciting PVE stuff lol. This feel great getting off my chest

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To the OP, is your thread title a statement or a question? I only ask because you have a question mark at the end yet the syntax is that of a statement.

Vahn Roi

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well dungeon siege is rip off of



And Condor San, I love how you make rash judgements about prophecies and factions right after you state that you have yet to play either.

You started this to bait people and you know it.

The Ernada

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Mods. You might as well just ban Condor now. I just realized he's the same Condor from other forums with his broken english and trolling ways. He basically posts on forums trying to rile people up.

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/member.php?u=19059

Terra Xin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
anway.. gonna go back to BF2142 a real PVP games. Or dungeon siege 2 if i wanna do some exciting PVE stuff lol. This feel great getting off my chest
Alright then, bye.

Condor San

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OH BTW

GuildWars Release date(s) April 28, 2005

Dungeon Siege Release date(s) 2002

and please don't compare Diablo2 to GW , you're embarrassing yourself. since that game has non of GW trait. Unlike Dungeon siege

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Heh, the other way around.

First, there was Rogue.

Rogue was adapted by Usenet community, and it spawned Nethack.

...
Mmmmm Rogue....My, that was a yummy mango...

Vahn Roi

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
you're embarrassing yourself.
Oh sweet irony

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...*yawn* can you post here http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdungeonsiege/ or something instead please, I don't think anyone here cares

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Condor San, you're telling us this... because?

And Vahn Roi, you beat me to the pong.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
or AM I mistaken?
you most certainly are

MegaMouse

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Aparrently someone has not done much in fact finding. Take a look around and see how many RPG's there are out there then post on which ones rip the ohers off. Yes there will be similiarities between them. COming up with something new is hard and the old formula's that have been used in the past still work now. Having played a rather large number of RPG's through the years, I would like to see something new myself. But digitizing yourself and actualy going into a game-world at this time is quite impossible. Just enjoy the game for what it is, FUN.

Mega Mouse

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Aparrently someone has not done much in fact finding.
I think that the real reason is, that someone got their ass spanked in pvp.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Mods. You might as well just ban Condor now. I just realized he's the same Condor from other forums with his broken english and trolling ways. He basically posts on forums trying to rile people up.

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/member.php?u=19059
HAHA! Condor San is an immigrant troll! Traveling from forum to forum getting people all riled up about GW. Honestly man, you can compare hundreds and hundreds of games to eachother and call them rip-offs of eachother, when frankly, they HAPPEN to look similar, and HAPPEN to have various other similarties like music composer (which in itself is the most moronic proof to say a game is a ripoff of another).

The fact remains, different companies, different people means even if a game looks completely alike, the gameplay, game dynamics, game physics, game design and damn near EVERY other feature will be different from eachother...

You my friend might as well scream at the guy that classified Oranges and Apples as DIFFERENT (zOMG) fruits. And then you can provide the proof that they are the same fruit cause they are both ROUND! WOW, stupid? Very much so, and that my friend is how you sound. Sorry its the truth.

LOL!!! cheers.

Count to Potato

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Funny.... and who cares? obviusly dungeon seige creators don't see the rip off or else Anet and NCsoft would have been sued

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Yeah, it sure is! I remember first thinking to myself "Wow, I get to watch my character fight NPCs controlled completely by his AI, and have a Donkey NPC which has a ton of storage follow me around, and don't have to worry about pesky things like attribute placement because the game will do all of that for me"! But wait, that wasn't what I thought before Guild Wars came out, it was what I thought before Dungeon Siege came out, which is of course a Diablo rip off if anything is. Except for the whole skill alotment concept, which Dungeon Siege forwent in favor of increasing attributes by using them. And of course Diablo is a ripoff of me, it is in fact my life story, I go around slaying the minions of hell and various undead and Blizzard obviously stole my story and put it into their game.

So, Guild Wars is to Dungeon Siege as Diablo is to my life story. That is to say, they have very little in common besides the delusions of madmen.

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Judging by that screenshot, Dungeon siege looks more like age of empires 3 than Guild wars

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
examine those screenshot between both of the games closelyand you'll find similarities.

lol of course I play GW, played it since ob/cb when Skill Charms was widely used, or the famous event where NON able to find a counter to Warrior monk aka the Paladin which noobs keep making post on GW fansite forum saying they're overpower.
I only got Prophecy, knowing Faction would be a dissapointment and Nightfall is no different than Prophecies clone (like the starter beginning newbie map, it just facing the opposite direction from Prophecy) GW is to boring for my taste imho)

BTW This post isn't about hurting GW fanboi feelings. my bad if you feel that way.

anway.. gonna go back to BF2142 a real PVP games. Or dungeon siege 2 if i wanna do some exciting PVE stuff lol. This feel great getting off my chest
Man this post is a gem.

You got defeated by something in GW so you decided you must post a thread tellign us how much of a rip off guild wars is? take a number.

We wont miss you

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Every RPG is a rip off of every previous RPG...

They just change/add some features and rename some classes.

But the same "ripoff" argument can be said about anything.

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GW has Dwarves in it. So did LotR. OMG RIP OFF!!!!!!

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hah dumb *** troll you got pwned, multiple times.. just because a game was made AFTER something and has the same musical composer, doesn't mean it ripped it off... you lose, press ctrl+alt+delete now plz, kthxbye

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RPGs... are like other RPGs


Guild Wars is like... Dungeon Seige


GuildWiki is like... wikipedia

Guild Wars forum is a rip of all the other forums we seen...

Grais

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This guy plays Guildwars every night, hes the knob drawing on the radar, I'd be willing to bet my account on it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
Do a comparsion between those two game with the established date on wikipedia. Both games used the famous song composer Jeremy Soule.
I realized this when i played Dungeon Siege 2 last night (which was 10x better then GW in single player mode with interesting story modes that use 99% professional voice acting, sophisticate obedient henchmens, kick ass casting animation with cool effect that has this gruesome fatality animation to each mob you slain.)

Heres the proof that GuildWars is a rip off from Dungeon Siege series. or AM I mistaken?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Siege

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildwars
OMG, I read the two bolded reasons and started laughing my ass off. I bought the deluxe edition of Dungeon Siege 2 on a whim the other week, only because it was $30. If you love micro-management then I guess it has a great AI... I had to change the run line to get it to run in anything higher than 1024x768 because it looked horrible on my widescreen LCD that does 1440x900. Then there was the fact that the game is so stupid it couldn't recognize I had a GeForce 7600GS w/512mb of vram in my system. I had to go and force all the particle effects to work using the nvidia tools and even then the game still looks like crap!

Oh one more things... OMG a game with gibs. It's not like I haven't been watching things explode into large amounts of gibs since Quake. Personally when I watch someone swing a sword through a mob and it explodes I'm really disappointed. I would make rather see the two halves fall apart!

Bai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor San
examine those screenshot between both of the games closelyand you'll find similarities.

lol of course I play GW, played it since ob/cb when Skill Charms was widely used, or the famous event where NON able to find a counter to Warrior monk aka the Paladin which noobs keep making post on GW fansite forum saying they're overpower.
I only got Prophecy, knowing Faction would be a dissapointment and Nightfall is no different than Prophecies clone (like the starter beginning newbie map, it just facing the opposite direction from Prophecy) GW is to boring for my taste imho)

BTW This post isn't about hurting GW fanboi feelings. my bad if you feel that way.

anway.. gonna go back to BF2142 a real PVP games. Or dungeon siege 2 if i wanna do some exciting PVE stuff lol. This feel great getting off my chest
If you have been playing Guild Wars since Open Beta, then you would know that these two games have almost nothing in common except for that they have songs from the same music composer.

And also, isn't Dungeon Seige more of a hack-and-slash game?
If you want to complain, please go complain to one of the walls around you because no one wants to hear it.

tomcruisejr

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Guild Wars is a rip-off of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers coz the game got rangers.