need RaO build
Dutch Masterr
im looking for a good pvp rampage as one build, mostly for AB. please do not post a link directing me to the thumper build...i want to use a bow. im looking for a build with high damage and at least some healing.
anshin
don't you think you should be asking for this in the PvP forum?
SparhawkJC
Or think one up for yourself since you know what you want in the build?
Dutch Masterr
never noticed that the majority of the posts in these forums are for pvp?
please dont say anything if you have nothing worth saying.
please dont say anything if you have nothing worth saying.
lennymon
well seeing as how this is a PVE forum, I'll split the difference and give you a very generalized build for PVE RaO:
bm:12+2+1
exp: 8+2
marks: 10+1
[skill]Hunter's Shot[/skill][skill]Needling Shot[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill][skill]Rampage as One[/skill][skill]Predatory Bond[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
you may wanna put in a snare for Ab somewhere tho
And personnally, I'd recommend a zealous bow
bm:12+2+1
exp: 8+2
marks: 10+1
[skill]Hunter's Shot[/skill][skill]Needling Shot[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill][skill]Rampage as One[/skill][skill]Predatory Bond[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
you may wanna put in a snare for Ab somewhere tho
And personnally, I'd recommend a zealous bow
Dutch Masterr
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Originally Posted by lennymon
well seeing as how this is a PVE forum, I'll split the difference and give you a very generalized build for PVE RaO:
bm:12+2+1
exp: 8+2
marks: 10+1
[skill]Hunter's Shot[/skill][skill]Needling Shot[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill][skill]Rampage as One[/skill][skill]Predatory Bond[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
you may wanna put in a snare for Ab somewhere tho
And personnally, I'd recommend a zealous bow i would like to thank you for actually posting some usefull information and not complaining about nothing.
bm:12+2+1
exp: 8+2
marks: 10+1
[skill]Hunter's Shot[/skill][skill]Needling Shot[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill][skill]Rampage as One[/skill][skill]Predatory Bond[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
you may wanna put in a snare for Ab somewhere tho
And personnally, I'd recommend a zealous bow i would like to thank you for actually posting some usefull information and not complaining about nothing.
lennymon
yw, it IS a pretty general build tho so probably will involve some ... 'personalization' :P
Thom Bangalter
RaO ain't for bows, it's for hammers. If you want an IAS for bows, I reccomend flail.
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
RaO ain't for bows, it's for hammers. If you want an IAS for bows, I reccomend flail.
Agreed. RaO isn't too hot without a hammer.
anshin
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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr
never noticed that the majority of the posts in these forums are for pvp?
please dont say anything if you have nothing worth saying.
they aren't... and did you think that if i hadn't posted that probably other people wouldn't come here?
please dont say anything if you have nothing worth saying.
they aren't... and did you think that if i hadn't posted that probably other people wouldn't come here?
Solus_the_Deadly
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
RaO ain't for bows, it's for hammers. If you want an IAS for bows, I reccomend flail.
Yet the scythe alternative works very well, could work well with daggers to
koshie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
RaO ain't for bows, it's for hammers. If you want an IAS for bows, I reccomend flail.
why would RaO not for a bow, you can set ur pet for damage and put savage shot,distracting shot,even to have more ranged damage. RaO can work with bow no bow it gives you ias and ur pet i dont see why Rao would only be for a hammer.
imagination is needed, think out side the box.
imagination is needed, think out side the box.
Silk Weaver
If you want pure pet damage use Call of Haste. 8% isn't much. For arrows, use flail, but arrows aren't for damage anyway.
warriorsmiley
RAO is a great skill needs tweaking but is still good. It can be used with anyweapon. Like someone said what if he wants to use it just so his pet attacks faster while he is able to run faster.
I've used RAO with axe, sword, hammer, scythes, and daggers they all work out good. With 12 in the weapon and a 33% IAS you get alot of hits, gain aderaline alot faster and let off aderaline dumps alot faster and more often. Not to mention this IAS has no real bad side to it but it taking up your elite slot(which it truely deserves) and needing a pet to activate it.
I've used RAO with axe, sword, hammer, scythes, and daggers they all work out good. With 12 in the weapon and a 33% IAS you get alot of hits, gain aderaline alot faster and let off aderaline dumps alot faster and more often. Not to mention this IAS has no real bad side to it but it taking up your elite slot(which it truely deserves) and needing a pet to activate it.
- Gobby -
im thinking of doing RaO with my bow with kindle arrows?
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by - Gobby -
im thinking of doing RaO with my bow with kindle arrows?
Running RaO with kindle will probably stretch you a bit thin. Using RtW instead and keeping your attributes into Marksmanship, Expertise and Beastmastery will likely allow you to run more efficiently.
As for the debate of using RaO with a bow at all, I would say that it's not a particularly bad idea, but really won't be as efficient as using it with a hammer, scythe or spear. I wouldn't reccomend this in PvP at all.
As for the debate of using RaO with a bow at all, I would say that it's not a particularly bad idea, but really won't be as efficient as using it with a hammer, scythe or spear. I wouldn't reccomend this in PvP at all.
Dutch Masterr
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
RaO ain't for bows, it's for hammers. If you want an IAS for bows, I reccomend flail.
im sorry, but thats completley wrong. why would a ranger skill be used for a non-ranger weapon? yes its good with a hammer, but it wasnt made for a hammer. and considering i said i want a bow build, NOT a hammer build, why did you even post that? flail i really hate because it costs adrenaline and makes you move slower.
SparhawkJC
You have to consider the bonuses that RaO gives. The 33% faster attacking is nice, as is the 25% faster movement speed. However considering that you're using a ranged weapon and aren't as vulnerable to kiting as a melee attacker the movement buff is close to useless. This means you're using your elite slot, a large investment into Beastmastery and Expertise just for an IAS when any of your other options would be just as good, and not require you to spec to heavily into BM.
Not to mention bow attacks all cost energy and have recharge times, so the speed boost is just letting you auto-attack faster. While bows have nice damage they aren't as heavy hitting as scythes or hammers so it is kind of a waste to use RaO with a bow when you already have a number of nice Marksmanship elites. If you really want to auto-attack faster consider just using quickshot and using that to deliver the damage buffs that your prep and spirits give.
Not to mention bow attacks all cost energy and have recharge times, so the speed boost is just letting you auto-attack faster. While bows have nice damage they aren't as heavy hitting as scythes or hammers so it is kind of a waste to use RaO with a bow when you already have a number of nice Marksmanship elites. If you really want to auto-attack faster consider just using quickshot and using that to deliver the damage buffs that your prep and spirits give.
Thom Bangalter
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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr
im sorry, but thats completley wrong. why would a ranger skill be used for a non-ranger weapon? yes its good with a hammer, but it wasnt made for a hammer. and considering i said i want a bow build, NOT a hammer build, why did you even post that? flail i really hate because it costs adrenaline and makes you move slower.
Because it IS for a hammer, that's why. They certainly didn't make a beastmastery elite for bow attacks, especially when 1) they made burning arrow, which gives you a nice buff in DPS, 2) They nerfed tiger's fury to the point that it made thumpers obsolete, 3) bow DPS is pretty terrible, and 4) Izzy is the skill designer, (see 2 for more on that)
Sparhawk already touched on the reasons it makes no sense, Flail is nice with barrage, and if you're doing pve it's hands down the best elite.
RaO also works with scythes, Some guild put up their bunny scythers around here somewhere and it looks like it was fairly solid, though very energy hungry.
Skills generally come in two flavors, which break down further: 1) pve skills, and 2) pvp skills. Pve skills can be broken down into 1) solo skills, and 2) team based skills. RaO is a pvp skill that works in all pvp formats fairly well, but is atrocious in pve play, because rangers already have better dps elites and beast mastery is generally a terrible line in pve (unlike smiting, another underused spell line, which made a brief resurgence a few seasons ago but got nerfed back to unplayability).
Sparhawk already touched on the reasons it makes no sense, Flail is nice with barrage, and if you're doing pve it's hands down the best elite.
RaO also works with scythes, Some guild put up their bunny scythers around here somewhere and it looks like it was fairly solid, though very energy hungry.
Skills generally come in two flavors, which break down further: 1) pve skills, and 2) pvp skills. Pve skills can be broken down into 1) solo skills, and 2) team based skills. RaO is a pvp skill that works in all pvp formats fairly well, but is atrocious in pve play, because rangers already have better dps elites and beast mastery is generally a terrible line in pve (unlike smiting, another underused spell line, which made a brief resurgence a few seasons ago but got nerfed back to unplayability).
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr
im sorry, but thats completley wrong. why would a ranger skill be used for a non-ranger weapon? yes its good with a hammer, but it wasnt made for a hammer. and considering i said i want a bow build, NOT a hammer build, why did you even post that? flail i really hate because it costs adrenaline and makes you move slower.
It's not wrong. A-net gave us secondaries for a reason.
lennymon
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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr
im sorry, but thats completley wrong. why would a ranger skill be used for a non-ranger weapon? yes its good with a hammer, but it wasnt made for a hammer. and considering i said i want a bow build, NOT a hammer build, why did you even post that? flail i really hate because it costs adrenaline and makes you move slower.
While I won't go so far as to say it's exclusively for hammers, it IS less effective when paired with a bow than other weapons combos just by the very nature of the weapons. If you say ranger elites aren't 'made' for non-ranger weapons thats fine, certainly you'll also have to admit there are ranger skills which DO work better when paired with non ranger skills/weapons. The very nature of expertise SCREAMS 'please use me with secondary attribute lines and skills. None of these points negates the enjoyment one might get of playing a fun build, and you should. But from a pure efficiency of motion standpoint, the big IAS skills (especially high energy cost ones) work best with high damage/slower melee weapons. I personally still like a pure hammer ranger (no pet/beast mastery), and that's not 'the best' either. Never stopped me. But to argue that ranger skills have to be used essentially with ranger weapons (it's what you are saying) is like building a house on the san andreas fault with no earthquake insurance.