Ok, The first AI change that made monsters flee AoE was, what, 9 months ago or more? I haven't pulled out the good ol' fire henchie since then. Today I decide to do the unthinkable and add Cynn to my party.
What do I see?
Freakin' stupid FIRE STORM!!!!! Enemies are scattering. Aggro is lost. The opposing force takes a whopping 20-40 damage before they re-target and attempt to slaughter my toon (that's right, a 'toon' is a group, not a character....welcome to the 1980's :P).
What I want to know is WHY (freakin' flippin' WHYYYYYYYY!!!!) does Cynn still have this spell that makes her unusable?
Please replace that one spell with anything else, preferably Phoenix, Meteor, Immolate, any Glyph you want, Conjure Flame, Flare.....hell ANYTHING! Anything that will make her usable, please.
Sheesh, thought this would have been taken care of by now....
FakeEdit:
I'm not actually pissed off about this, I think it's quite funny. I left town, fought once, zoned back after seeing Fire Storm, and kicked her from my group.
It's like having this idiotic newbie who won't listen to you when you tell them not to use that spell sitting in every town just waiting there for the first chance to make a retard out of him/herself. It just makes no sense to me at all that she still has that spell....
OmgWtfCynn???
Beat_Go_Stick
Hideous Beast
yeah but she's still a mad hottie
legion_rat
claude is just as bad if not worse. lets sacrifice ourselves to death yay!! retard hench.
each one of them is "special" in their own way. I take cynn all the time. the enemy seems to target her of my monks so she makes good bait.
~the rat~
each one of them is "special" in their own way. I take cynn all the time. the enemy seems to target her of my monks so she makes good bait.
~the rat~
bhavv
All the hench skill builds are ridiculously retarded. They've been given the skills human players wouldnt use (eg Firestorm, Charge elite on every warrior?) etc etc.
I think a great thing would be if we could customise hench skills, but not have direct controll over them like heroes.
Or heck, let us use up to 7 heroes in PVE please.
I think a great thing would be if we could customise hench skills, but not have direct controll over them like heroes.
Or heck, let us use up to 7 heroes in PVE please.
legion_rat
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Originally Posted by bhavv
All the hench skill builds are ridiculously retarded. They've been given the skills human players wouldnt use (eg Firestorm, Charge elite on every warrior?) etc etc.
I think a great thing would be if we could customise hench skills, but not have direct controll over them like heroes. Or heck, let us use up to 7 heroes in PVE please. |
I dont have nf so the 7 heroes doesnt mean much till after xmas (when i get it) but the ability to alter henches would be great. little thorn and stephen having useful elites would be nice.
~the custom rat~
Beat_Go_Stick
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Originally Posted by bhavv
All the hench skill builds are ridiculously retarded. They've been given the skills human players wouldnt use (eg Firestorm, Charge elite on every warrior?) etc etc.
I think a great thing would be if we could customise hench skills, but not have direct controll over them like heroes. Or heck, let us use up to 7 heroes in PVE please. |
Kool Pajamas
If the enemies are running then they are not killing you. Though i wouldnt mind seeing cynn as a SF ele. 
HKSdivision
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Originally Posted by bhavv
All the hench skill builds are ridiculously retarded. They've been given the skills human players wouldnt use (eg Firestorm, Charge elite on every warrior?) etc etc.
I think a great thing would be if we could customise hench skills, but not have direct controll over them like heroes. Or heck, let us use up to 7 heroes in PVE please. |
Mylon
I've been hard pressed to find good 4-person builds I can use in GW, at least when I'm stuck with one of those slots being a monk, though I could always go smite, since I don't think a hero would understand how to smite properly. 
Oh yeah, and how heroes always attack the same target kinda makes the strategies I have in mind difficult, too. I mean, what's the point in a party focusing on KDs (including Brambles and Lacerate) if it's only one enemy at a time ever getting KDed? Likewise with disabling hexes, degen on a monster that dies before the hex completes, etc...
Oh yeah, and how heroes always attack the same target kinda makes the strategies I have in mind difficult, too. I mean, what's the point in a party focusing on KDs (including Brambles and Lacerate) if it's only one enemy at a time ever getting KDed? Likewise with disabling hexes, degen on a monster that dies before the hex completes, etc...
Faer
Better yet, give her a secondary profession, and this skillbar:
[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill] [skill]Glyph of Energy[/skill] [skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill] [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill] [skill]Meteor Shower[/skill] [skill]Fireball[/skill] [skill]Immolate[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
'nough said.
[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill] [skill]Glyph of Energy[/skill] [skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill] [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill] [skill]Meteor Shower[/skill] [skill]Fireball[/skill] [skill]Immolate[/skill] [skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
'nough said.
Thallandor
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Originally Posted by Hideous Beast
yeah but she's still a mad hottie
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oh wrong thread.
Anryla
And now they seemed to have added Sandstorm to Herta [Earth Henchmen] 
puteh
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/signed for a more sexier dress for cynn and bigger...
oh wrong thread. |
Elena
natural elements 
yeah i must agree the hench are like vlah if we could choose a limited set of skills for them they'd be worth sooo much more
yeah i must agree the hench are like vlah if we could choose a limited set of skills for them they'd be worth sooo much more
twicky_kid
I still use Cynn. I always have.
I know how to set up my group and use the aoe as a defense. If they are running they are not attacking but they still take dmg.
I know how to set up my group and use the aoe as a defense. If they are running they are not attacking but they still take dmg.
Magie
Yeah, but if you combine fire storm with mark of rodgort, it would be a good combination, so if ANet doesn't want to remove fire storm, add mark of rodgort somwhere.
Also I would like to know y henchies never have their skill bar with 8 skills (all henchies have between 4-6 skills)
Also I would like to know y henchies never have their skill bar with 8 skills (all henchies have between 4-6 skills)
carbajac
She uses Firestorm because she used it in the cinematic, if they change that skill, it would invalidate the opening cinematic as well as the manuscript booklet because I'm pretty sure she used it in there too.
/notsigned...It's just how she rolls.
/notsigned...It's just how she rolls.
Magie
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Originally Posted by carbajac
She uses Firestorm because she used it in the cinematic, if they change that skill, it would invalidate the opening cinematic as well as the manuscript booklet because I'm pretty sure she used it in there too.
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Well it gives a description of a fire storm in d manuscript but let's have a look at Devona shall we: "Devona stepped in front of Cynn and into the gap left by the falling Charr, reversing her Blade and Slashing the other way."
So the cinematic and manuscript are not a good excuse for her to keep fire storm
jimmy_logic
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Originally Posted by Magie
nope in d cinematic she used meteor shower. Also in d cinematic devona has a sword and not a hammer.*Takes a look to the manuscript*
Well it gives a description of a fire storm in d manuscript but let's have a look at Devona shall we: "Devona stepped in front of Cynn and into the gap left by the falling Charr, reversing her Blade and Slashing the other way." So the cinematic and manuscript are not a good excuse for her to keep fire storm |
Off Topic: Magie I would suggest that you use full words instead of abbreviations i.e. d = the reason being there are people that are picky on what gets written on these boards.
Regards
Magie
Sorry about that, and thanks
Aegeroth
My Usual Henchman Routine, which i use ever day i play:
Me
Whispers
Mhenlo
Khim
Cynn
Herta
Devona
Gehraz
Imo Cynn is perfectly fine, I still manage to wipe out any party {PvE} that comes my way, except mabye a large group of Call to Torment Excited Torments. Or uber bosses. Shiro Lich so on...
Me
Whispers
Mhenlo
Khim
Cynn
Herta
Devona
Gehraz
Imo Cynn is perfectly fine, I still manage to wipe out any party {PvE} that comes my way, except mabye a large group of Call to Torment Excited Torments. Or uber bosses. Shiro Lich so on...
lishi
still she does more damage then all other hencie
MegaMouse
What is one of the first skills an Elementalist gets? FIRESTORM. True it has been turned into a scatter skill (rather good one at that), when used right it can save the day. But the henchies seem to fire it off at the wrong moment. I agree that the henchies need better armor too (Cynn in the FOW armor OOOOO).
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
Antheus
But you can't really get mad at Cynn, can you?
Giga Strike
the only thing i like about cynn is her additude. she just isnt as hot as she was originally intened and she has no strong damage dealing spells. the only tings i ever see her using are flare, fire attunement, firestorm, and maybe fireball.
Beat_Go_Stick
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
I still use Cynn. I always have.
I know how to set up my group and use the aoe as a defense. If they are running they are not attacking but they still take dmg. |
It was the first spell she fired off for me. I arranged my group, drew aggro to myself, called in Devona, and *BAM* FireSuck! How do you use it defensively when you can't tell her when to cast it?
Look, I'm not saying Fire Storm has no uses at all. I'm not saying the other henchies do better damage. I'm certainly not saying that henchies should have 8 skills...they are henchmen, not heroes.
All I'm saying is that giving a wild card in your group the ability to scatter the enemy but without a brain to govern the use of that ability kind of sucks. I'm fine with defensive AoE so long as it's not used in every single battle, dig?
broodijzer
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I agree that the henchies need better armor too (Cynn in the FOW armor OOOOO).
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*ahem*
Vekar
I find Eve annoying, dies so fast it is not even funny. I gave up using her because she would charge the enemy lines like a bat out of hell and then get cut down in about two three seconds.
I think we can all agree on this part:
Human players are supirior to hench any day (excluding the usual idiots) and nothing is better than a good ol' human monk who knows who and when to heal and does NOT tank. AI have more bugs than human on level of competence. On stupidity, some humans are worse than the AI... Case in point: getting a monk in team and starting to fight and then finding out he got rid of ALLLLLLLL his healing spells so he could cast E spells.
I think we can all agree on this part:
Human players are supirior to hench any day (excluding the usual idiots) and nothing is better than a good ol' human monk who knows who and when to heal and does NOT tank. AI have more bugs than human on level of competence. On stupidity, some humans are worse than the AI... Case in point: getting a monk in team and starting to fight and then finding out he got rid of ALLLLLLLL his healing spells so he could cast E spells.
jayce
imo, i dont think cynn and her firestorm skill is the issue. its the fact thats its an aoe skill, that scatters the mob. even if she used sandstorm, the results would be the same, having mobs scatter from the aoe. worst case, one could simply use a different henchmen other than cynn, that does not use any aoe skills, just to keep the mobs together. but as we all know, aoe has its advantages when used properly. i myself use one in particular for the purpose of offense and defense. just last night, this aoe skill allowed me to complete Abaddon's Mouth in Tryia with a party of only four. just me as my assassin, my two hero monks and my hero warrior.
??Ripskin
If they run away, 'boohoo' more time for me to shoot them down with my mad skills. lol.
Anyways.... I think we need to make cynn even hotter (previous statements) to make up for her noobiness.
Anyways.... I think we need to make cynn even hotter (previous statements) to make up for her noobiness.
Hand of Ruin
cynn has been banned from my party forever for a long time now
shifting shadows
I would be jumping with joy to see the henchies updated. Then I can put the charr in Cynn's metaphorical easy bake oven. 
Deleet
I always use her, at least she does damage, other henchies doesnt.
gamecube187
/signed for being able to adjust henchies skills (though have a limit of only 4 skills or something like they currently have)
/double signed for having 7 heros in a party. We have, what, 12, 13, or maybe 14 heros? (I don't remember how many) Why can we only take 3 with us at once? Why do we have to bring henchies with us? Player groups will still be smarter (though more anoying at times), and we already have a lot of people only using heros and hencies. Heck, we had a lot of people just using henchies before nightfall came out, so why can't people just use heros if they want?
And then if we do eventually get to have 7 heros with us at once, can we please get every single henchie for a campaign when we beat the campaign? (as long as we have Nightfall that is) I really want to at least have the main hencies as heros!
/double signed for having 7 heros in a party. We have, what, 12, 13, or maybe 14 heros? (I don't remember how many) Why can we only take 3 with us at once? Why do we have to bring henchies with us? Player groups will still be smarter (though more anoying at times), and we already have a lot of people only using heros and hencies. Heck, we had a lot of people just using henchies before nightfall came out, so why can't people just use heros if they want?
And then if we do eventually get to have 7 heros with us at once, can we please get every single henchie for a campaign when we beat the campaign? (as long as we have Nightfall that is) I really want to at least have the main hencies as heros!
Antheus
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/signed for being able to adjust henchies skills (though have a limit of only 4 skills or something like they currently have)
/double signed for having 7 heros in a party. We have, what, 12, 13, or maybe 14 heros? (I don't remember how many) Why can we only take 3 with us at once? Why do we have to bring henchies with us? Player groups will still be smarter (though more anoying at times), and we already have a lot of people only using heros and hencies. Heck, we had a lot of people just using henchies before nightfall came out, so why can't people just use heros if they want? And then if we do eventually get to have 7 heros with us at once, can we please get every single henchie for a campaign when we beat the campaign? (as long as we have Nightfall that is) I really want to at least have the main hencies as heros! |
GW can safely drop the Online part from their name, since apart from GvG, players are extremly undesirable element, and all but extinct from PvE.
Might as well add all the heroes and henchies, and let GW work in offline mode. This also completely solves the problems with disconnects and lag.
Giving access to only 3 heroes has completely eliminated the need for other players everywhere with exception of DoA and GvG. Giving 7 would make entire game completely pointless, since the content would be at least twice too easy, sort of like having a twinked level 20 character in pre-searing.
Arcador
Well, Take Cyn if you are really ready for scatter. Most of the times some mob runs out of the Firestorm...but sometimes she just throw it when the last enemy is about to die. Pretty SKILLSOME!!1 
I don't usually take her because I bring the Firestorm myself (uber elite skill :P )
I don't usually take her because I bring the Firestorm myself (uber elite skill :P )