What is the best type of dagger for an assassin? Zealous, Sundering, Vampiric, etc.?
Xeones The Great
so any suggestions and/or ideas?
Stormlord Alex
I use Zealous Butterfly Knives of Fortitude most of the time on my 'sin... Sundering sucks, especially with a damage range as low as the dagger's is, and well... Critical Strikes isn't reliable enough to regain energy.
Dutch Masterr
sundering is absolutley useless on daggers because, like stated above, they have a low maximum damage and have a big chance for critical strikes anyway. i strictly use zealous daggers, 1 slashing damage/1 piercing damage, and ill very occasionaly use vampiric. i like zealous because it makes regular attacks cost 1 energy less and dual attacks 2 energy less (if they hit that is). because of double strikes and fast attack speed of daggers, zealous offers great energy management--something an assassin really needs.
Giga Strike
zealous is good for energy intense builds but vampiric will do more damage. just be carefull with the degen.
Yanman.be
Everthorn's Chakrams are zealous.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Did I mention Zealous?
Zealous.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Did I mention Zealous?
Shantel Span
Zealous is the only way to go.
That being said, I have a pair of Silencing Steel Daggers of Dagger Mastery for a very specific build
That being said, I have a pair of Silencing Steel Daggers of Dagger Mastery for a very specific build
Skuld
barbed
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Muk Utep
Yep, zealous is the best in most cases, although I suppose there's always exceptions. A select few builds might benefit more from vampiric or something. Zealous just works so well with pretty much every build, mainly because assassins need a lot of energy, and because the fast attack speed and double hits of daggers makes zealous so sweet.
Xeones The Great
ok, zealous is good lol
Thom Bangalter
Slashing damage, so you don't get WTFPWNED by shield's up. Though you in turn get WTFPWNED by bladeturn refrain or whatever, but at least you don't miss.
I obviously interpreted the question differently than everyone else.
I obviously interpreted the question differently than everyone else.
puteh
zealous dagger that do slashing is a good dagger.very good dagger
Ghostcell
zelous are good - i use them in pvp but on my sin when its not using a bow (which it uses 99% of the time) i use shiro's blades (just coz they look so frking badass) or barbed/poisonous zodiac daggers of fortitude (not sure weather poisonous or barbed - i would make em zelous i just aint found a zelous mod yet)
puteh
did anyone notice that shiros blades has been req 13
AuraofMana
It was part of the update.
Anyway... Zealous / Armor or Fortitude depending on situation is the best.
Zealous is like required for most highly energized combos.
Anyway... Zealous / Armor or Fortitude depending on situation is the best.
Zealous is like required for most highly energized combos.
pingu666
zealous, and a backup non negative set, with 30hp~.
not a fan of bleeding, as mostly stuff should die so quick it wont stop bleeding till a minion is raised from its carcass
not a fan of bleeding, as mostly stuff should die so quick it wont stop bleeding till a minion is raised from its carcass
Thomas.knbk
Considering how energy heavy most assassin chains are, I'd go with zealous. I'm not a fan of condition-lengthening mods, as conditions tend to be removed. Maybe a lengthens daze mod in 4v4, but overall zealous.
Bowstring Badass
I would say have a pair of zealous, vampiric, elemental, and condition.
Sqube
My ideal set of daggers:
- Slashing, 15^50, Zealous, Enchanting
- Slashing, 15^50, Vampiric, Enchanting
- Slashing, 15^50, Shocking, Enchanting
- Slashing, 15^50, [anything], Fortitude
The Zealous are general usage, and for high-energy spikes.
The Vampiric are fun if you've got some kind of IAS and/or Locust's Fury going on. They're also useful if you're just auto-attacking for a while.
The Shocking are useful when you're fighting warriors or other opponents who have an increased resistance to physical damage.
The Fortitude daggers are for when you've got DP action going on.
I prefer slashing because the only thing you really have to worry about if you're using it is Bladeturn Refrain, while there are enemies that are naturally resistant to piercing damage. 15^50 is for obvious reasons, and I like having "of Enchanting" daggers because... well, I just feel like it's useful to have the enchantments that I cast on myself last as long as possible.
- Slashing, 15^50, Zealous, Enchanting
- Slashing, 15^50, Vampiric, Enchanting
- Slashing, 15^50, Shocking, Enchanting
- Slashing, 15^50, [anything], Fortitude
The Zealous are general usage, and for high-energy spikes.
The Vampiric are fun if you've got some kind of IAS and/or Locust's Fury going on. They're also useful if you're just auto-attacking for a while.
The Shocking are useful when you're fighting warriors or other opponents who have an increased resistance to physical damage.
The Fortitude daggers are for when you've got DP action going on.
I prefer slashing because the only thing you really have to worry about if you're using it is Bladeturn Refrain, while there are enemies that are naturally resistant to piercing damage. 15^50 is for obvious reasons, and I like having "of Enchanting" daggers because... well, I just feel like it's useful to have the enchantments that I cast on myself last as long as possible.
Buce
So anyone can give me their ebon dagger tang then?
ecknine
mhmhm , let me be the first to mention . ZEalus are the best one , take them !
j/K
j/K
Xeones The Great
ok so zealous dragon scythes of fortitude it is!
Diddy bow
Zealous is the best all round but ebon is good on back up so you can accually hurt warriors(you can use ebon dust aura too!)
Vamp is great for a bit of extra dmg or healing
and the condition stuff is really hit or miss depending on your build
sundering sucs so...there
Vamp is great for a bit of extra dmg or healing
and the condition stuff is really hit or miss depending on your build
sundering sucs so...there
Kaleban
I rarely use Enchanting builds nowadays, there is heavy enchant removal everywhere it seems in NF.
I go mostly with Hex/Lead builds, and sometimes DA builds too.
That being said, my daggers that I currently use:
Shiro's Blades - I use these whenever I go in for a spike combo, the lifesteal quickly adds up. Great for PvP spikes, with my current setup I can take out the 100 AL dummy in less than 5 seconds. 15^50
Zealous Dragon Scythes of Fort - These are my "general use" daggers, and see the most use in PvE. Almost mandatory if you're not using Black Lotus or Golden Lotus in your build. 15^50
Ebon Zodiac Daggers of Enchanting - I use these for specialized builds. Damage type syncs up well with Ebon Dust Aura from the Dervish line, very few in PvP take Earth Damage resistant armor, and you don't have to worry about the slashing vs. piercing problem here. +5 Energy
In my fourth slot, I either have a bow for pulling, or my hugely expensive Earth Staff for solo farming.
I go mostly with Hex/Lead builds, and sometimes DA builds too.
That being said, my daggers that I currently use:
Shiro's Blades - I use these whenever I go in for a spike combo, the lifesteal quickly adds up. Great for PvP spikes, with my current setup I can take out the 100 AL dummy in less than 5 seconds. 15^50
Zealous Dragon Scythes of Fort - These are my "general use" daggers, and see the most use in PvE. Almost mandatory if you're not using Black Lotus or Golden Lotus in your build. 15^50
Ebon Zodiac Daggers of Enchanting - I use these for specialized builds. Damage type syncs up well with Ebon Dust Aura from the Dervish line, very few in PvP take Earth Damage resistant armor, and you don't have to worry about the slashing vs. piercing problem here. +5 Energy
In my fourth slot, I either have a bow for pulling, or my hugely expensive Earth Staff for solo farming.
I I I Inferno I I I
Unges Of The Oni fit me well...
(i know they have -5nrg but i got used 2 it and dont make any difference)
but, on the other hand if u got 16dagger mastery and 15 crit strikes... energy is no problem even on 60 dp with prot spirit in UW u still got no prob with nrg...
i personally like the idea of zelous crit barrager 40-70 dmg per hit on minimum one of 6 foes and 40% chance of crit hitting = max of 21 nrg O,...,O
got sidetracked there but zelous is definetley best and like i said crit strikes is awesome, it benefits u from a crit hit chance and skills.
and a personall question: is it possible to get 2 crit hits on a double strike?
(i know they have -5nrg but i got used 2 it and dont make any difference)
but, on the other hand if u got 16dagger mastery and 15 crit strikes... energy is no problem even on 60 dp with prot spirit in UW u still got no prob with nrg...
i personally like the idea of zelous crit barrager
40-70 dmg per hit on minimum one of 6 foes and 40% chance of crit hitting = max of 21 nrg O,...,Ogot sidetracked there but zelous is definetley best and like i said crit strikes is awesome, it benefits u from a crit hit chance and skills.
and a personall question: is it possible to get 2 crit hits on a double strike?
Sqube
16 Dagger Mastery? Okay...
15 Critical Strikes? Dear Lord, why? You get just as much Energy as you would at 13, don't have to use a health-sapping major rune, and can put those points somewhere else.
I'm currently running 13/11/13 DM/SA/CS; not claiming it's the best, but it works out nicely for me.
15 Critical Strikes? Dear Lord, why? You get just as much Energy as you would at 13, don't have to use a health-sapping major rune, and can put those points somewhere else.
I'm currently running 13/11/13 DM/SA/CS; not claiming it's the best, but it works out nicely for me.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Everthorn's Chakrams are zealous.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Did I mention Zealous? LOL Yanman still drinking the Everthorn Juice eh? Well yeah I think for most melee weapons Zealous or Vamp>all.... if you want damage bring a self heal or regenerative spell(NOT MENDING!) and go with Vamp, the consistent +5 damage pressure outdoes a Sunder mod consistently.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Zealous.
Did I mention Zealous? LOL Yanman still drinking the Everthorn Juice eh? Well yeah I think for most melee weapons Zealous or Vamp>all.... if you want damage bring a self heal or regenerative spell(NOT MENDING!) and go with Vamp, the consistent +5 damage pressure outdoes a Sunder mod consistently.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
Quote:
Originally Posted by I I I Inferno I I I
and a personall question: is it possible to get 2 crit hits on a double strike?
Yeah it's awesome when I have my crit eye on and I hit the first half of my combo, and I am low on energy but then when I hit my first dual strike my energy skyrockets back up XD
Ruricu
I think this question could have and should have been trumped on the first answer by looking at what the Keeper of Secrets has to offer at the end of the Nightfall Campaign... Slashing Daggers that are ALL Zealous of Fortitude... 'nuff said.
AuraofMana
The problem with Zealous Scythe is the Scythe's low attack speed. Zealous works wonder on Daggers because Daggers hit fast. Zealous Scythe is not worth it unless you hit 2 or more targets (I don't think 2 is even worth it), so the problem goes that decent people (in PvP) will not stay in groups when they see you. Throw in the Kiting factor and you got no energy.
Use Zealous Renewal in PvE works the same as Zealous mod. As for PvP, you can try using Zealous Renewal (and bring something to increase your movement like a good PvPer so your target can't get that far away from you, but then again, you SHOULD have Crippling Sweep).
Sundering is actually worth it on Scythe due to its multiple hits.
Use Zealous Renewal in PvE works the same as Zealous mod. As for PvP, you can try using Zealous Renewal (and bring something to increase your movement like a good PvPer so your target can't get that far away from you, but then again, you SHOULD have Crippling Sweep).
Sundering is actually worth it on Scythe due to its multiple hits.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
uh...Aura this board is kind of about...daggers...and I use a zealous scythe on an extremely energy healthy build and it works just fine, and sundering just sucks...
Shendaar
"Dragon scythes" are daggers.
Damastes
Nowt wrong with Everthorn's Chakrams... farmed them cos I like the look 
pve-er
just get a collector's butterfly knife and put the upgrade on, I love my butterfly knife and don't even bother to use my hard-earn Urgue of Forgotten
Sqube
pve-er, are you talking about the 15^50 Butterfly Knives? I'm totally trying to get four of those, but I just can't get Mantid Pincers to drop worth a damn.
Yanman.be
I got 1 mantid pincer to help you out...
pve-er
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sqube
pve-er, are you talking about the 15^50 Butterfly Knives? I'm totally trying to get four of those, but I just can't get Mantid Pincers to drop worth a damn.
I was hoping people will have gold butterfly knife with max stat that I can buy, but NO, I never see a gold max split chakram or butterfly knife at all. so I have to repeatedly farm mantis , to make this less boring I join group and help people on quest, collect mantis pincer on the way.
there are many Mantis outside of Fedale just keep farm them,
there are many Mantis outside of Fedale just keep farm them,
Sqube
Yanman.be: My IGN is Aselon Silentstrike if you're interested in giving that to me. Nothing so important as to set up a meet, but if you happen to see me along the way, I wouldn't be averse to getting one of those.
pve-er: Yeah, I figured I was going to have to be farming those bastards for a while. I just hate those damn Mesmers, and then they've got the Stone Spores floating around out there... ugh.
To be honest though, I've never seen gold Butterfly Knives drop. I think I might've seen purple once, but other than that... white and blue all the way.
I wish they dropped in Elona so I could just get max damage ones and use inscriptions, but whatever. The 15^50 from collectors is exactly what I'd want anyway.
15^50, Zealous, Fortitude
15^50, Shocking, Fortitude
???
Profit!
Edit: Man, the profanity filter on this board is nuts. RED ENGINE GORED? WTF?
pve-er: Yeah, I figured I was going to have to be farming those bastards for a while. I just hate those damn Mesmers, and then they've got the Stone Spores floating around out there... ugh.
To be honest though, I've never seen gold Butterfly Knives drop. I think I might've seen purple once, but other than that... white and blue all the way.
I wish they dropped in Elona so I could just get max damage ones and use inscriptions, but whatever. The 15^50 from collectors is exactly what I'd want anyway.
15^50, Zealous, Fortitude
15^50, Shocking, Fortitude
???
Profit!
Edit: Man, the profanity filter on this board is nuts. RED ENGINE GORED? WTF?
Yanman.be
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.
Nice eh?
Nice eh?
pve-er
what is RED ENGINE GORED?
Yanman.be
Something from a children's animated train show or something.