How come there are so many ignorant/rude players?

Well, I have a Perma-Pre character and I try to teach every newcomer I can but there are some people I would like to hurt real bad. For example, when I was doing Hells Precipice mission we had 2 monks in our team. 1 disconnecteded at the start of the mission so we had just 1 left. We went all the way to the Seer, got the bonus mission and went over to kill the Titans (Or whatever they are called, long time ago :P) Midway through getting the bonus we see that our monk is dead. I ask him where he is and he says he's at the Seer. I ask him why and he says: "I need to get my armour infused"

Naturally we were all baffled not just by the fact that we had a player who had actually made it this far without infused armour but more about the fact that we had 1 monk in the team who didn't have his armour infused and kept going back to the seer to get it infused, dying 20x on the way. This happened over and over again and I was forced to go back and rez the monk. Long story short, we had to play that mission as if we didn't have a monk, which was damn hard. Even when we were planning our attack on the Lich and were about to execute it, we noticed that the monk was dead again. Guess where he was? Thank God I had Rebirth and I didn't die. I take pride in the fact that I was the only one in the team who didn't die there

What I am trying to say is that yes there are players who don't know what they are supposed to do but there are also players who don't want to listen to you when they don't know what to do. We told him countless times this was the wrong mission to do what he was trying do do but he never listened.

It gets annoying after a time. Also, there are way too many emos in Pre-Searing. Kids bragging about cutting themselves when they are 10 and 11 to supposedly impress female Elementalists etc. People fighting if someone says this is my boyfriend or girlfriend. Bla....

Err..a lot of people don't know about pressing alt, I never knew about it for a long time honestly.

Its on the quick reference card for the hotkeys. i can understand not reading the manual, but looking at that card should take 30 seconds while the game is installing.

Many people I knew didn't know about the wiki or these forums and they'd been playing for months.
They buy the game and start playing. They aren't the type of people to search the internet for sites that tell them how to play the game. They learn from playing and asking questions.
I think the average player probably doesn't go to fan sites or wikis to learn about everything, because they've never played a game that required them to do so in their previous experience.
I rarely ever see people posting the wiki to new players' questions.
Why is that?

It's true. When people ask questions in the game, I often see an elist response, yet I never see anyone posting where to find the wiki to the person asking the question.

I played for just over a year without even knowing about wiki. I got along fine. I learn best when thrown in the deep end. It's also how I managed to complete Nightfall on my on with just heroes and hench on my dervish shortly after release. The reason being, I RARELY trust outside sites when it comes to games, just because of how many people would attempt to keylog you and sell off your account. So some people ask in game hoping to get an answer. Now here's the beauty of it. People tend to type 12 line long replies with 11 lines of swearing when it'd take them 10 seconds to just say "It's to the north". THAT ALWAYS confuses me.

When you say "don't know what to do" do you mean, don't do it your way, or don't do it the "right" way (note: there is no "right" way.)

Would you rather people learn through experience, or learn through copying someone else and using that?

If I'm playing a game, I play it and learn as I go. If I run into a point that I'm so confused that I can't beat it after several attempts... THEN I will look for advice.

If I don't beat it "perfectly" or I don't do it the correct way to someone else's standards, oh well, I'm playing the game, not them.

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In reference to builds, strategies and what not within GW... I will occasionally look at builds that other people posted, or strategies to beating certain areas, but this is only if I can't figure it out after several attempts. Or I need an advice to develop my own build.

So yeah, I'm probably one of those people you see who dn't have the "correct" amount of attributes towards a particular skill, or the person that doesn't bring the exact right skills to meet your idea of "correct."

Last I checked, I put my user name and password as a login, not yours.

It would have to serve a specific purpose if you want to copy the exact build or the exact strategy used by another person, when the goal isn't to attain the experience that you get from it, but to reap the rewards at the end of it all, in the most efficient way possible. The experience that you do get is in the forehand, when you're reading and studying the strategies and builds used by other people - and yet, there is nothing stopping you from twinking around with what has already been done to suit your own playstyle. You have to respect that even though you will find that playing without guides and seeking out your own experiences, is just as important as a person who has read different notes and posts from other people, and who have a more... scholarly-related knowledge about what they are going to face.

It's a common case of Knowledge versus Experience. There's an apple. neither of you have tasted this apple. The first one takes a bite and savours the taste. The second person hears what the first person had to say about the apple, and then takes a bite. The results that both face after the apples are eaten are the same, its just the pathways that were taken that are different.

Therefore, ignorance... as many have pointed out... is based on perspective. Surely there are better ways to do things, but what's the point of playing a game when you already know what the outcome is going to be?

The answer to that is the reason why we have farmers, PvPers and title hunters. They all know what the outcome is going to be, they just need to know how to best achieve that outcome.

For others, its about the journey towards the goal; the thrill of exploring that which is unknown to you, doing a mission with friends, the excitement of killing others in PvP... all of these have recognition, and by no means show ignorance.

On the defense, ignorance can be seen by the likes of Darkobra and Does-it-Matter towards a person who flames them because they didn't go out and seach for the answer themselves - when they actually did, and did it by asking the community (when the help was needed). Ignorance, because they failed to see that the person that they flamed asked a question they really didnt know the answer to. You can throw blames as to why this is the case, but then you can also save yourself the time and just give them the answer :P.

they are lazy and or stupid.
im not trying to be mean but thats the awnser plain and simple
i myself, once again this morning disabled every form of chat in my options to keep myself from getting banned
NO I DONT WANT YOUR 250 SHARDS FOR 25K

You can 3-man Stygian Veil with heroes, and you still join 8-man teams. I'm not going to deny that 80% of the people have at least one of the things they need for a specific build (runes, headgear, skills, skillz etc.), but it's partially your fault, you really don't need to join these kind of groups. These guys didn't learn it in the past, and they won't ever learn it. These kind of groups might pop questions like "how the hell did you ever compelte Nightfall?" or "why the hell do you even try?", but questions popping up in your head won't change anything

Guess I'll just throw the good old "DON'T JOIN PUGS!" at you, because I guess you don't know that sentance as well as you think you do

PS: Pre-searing solo'ing - The solution to all your problems!

if u have played MMORPGs before, then i dont see why u seem suprised, deal with it, theres no solution

I have a friend who plays mainly as blood necro, but has a "Putrid Explosion" in her skill bar. Why? Because she loves to see how those corpses explode
She never read mission/bonus description or any manual what so ever, she is not a pro and frankly sometimes it's annoying to play with her because she aggro first, think later. But she loves GW and has lot of fun, and isn't it a whole point of gaming? Don't like people like her - don't team with such people.

Yeah. Some people just play to have fun. If anyone can't handle that people are playing this game that way, don't group with them and don't bash them. It's their game too.
Don't flip out for failing a mission or losing a streak or not being able to get a title as fast as possible. It's just a freaking game.

I'd also like to say that when I was younger I'd be the guy getting mad at my sister or friend playing a game and telling them what to do all the time and getting frustrated by the second. They didn't want to play anymore because I was taking the fun out of everything. I really regret being that type of person and I've learned that it's more important in a game to respect people's right to play it how they want if it's fun for them. That's what games should be all about.

I just let people play how they want to play and let them get on with it, and if you dont like the way they play the game or they don't like the way you play, just dont team up with each other again.

I must admit though it's annoying when someone keeps asking the same question that several people have answered already or pointed them to guildwars.com or Wiki

I fully agree with the OP. If I join someone elses group for whatever reason, I always ask if they want me to take a certain skillset and change to it if required, also by making comments on any changes that I think tht would help. around 80% of groups are happy with my approach to this, however other people cant be asked to play what is best for there group. I remeber a few days back I were playing TA and the leader wanted to run a certain build with a blinding surge and SF elly. I agreed to play blinding surge, then we got a secong elly and asked him/her to play SF. Heres most of what they said....

- Why should I play SF? Its a noob skill thats overused
- Because this is someone elses build and we want you play it.
- (More whining about using SF)
- If you want, can you play blinding surge instead and I'll change to SF.

And at that point I got ripped appart with spam for being a noob because I play SF. Also this problem is magnified a hundred times in PVE.

Is he saying Dunkoro should not have headbutt as his elite? DOH I feel so stupid now

One thing that does irritate me when I play is ignorant people when it comes to selling items. Often times, when i'm selling an item that is worth 100k+xx ecto i'll get responses telling me that the item isn't worth what i'm selling it for (when in reality it is). Once even I was selling an item and this guy pm'd me and (with absolutely no warning) started swearing at me saying my item was way overpriced (when, again, it wasn't). This is the only type of ignorance in the game that irritates me.

"How come there are so many ignorant/rude players?"

Because your fellow players will rather ignore people instead of reporting abuse.

its becasue most of us have bad "real lives" so we take it out on people over the internet

**kicks lem** .. *runs away*

90% of the "Pros" becomes "Newbies" at Doa.everyone just dont have time or patience you need in there and at those 3 times i have been i there ive seen totally frustrated people who are ignorant/rude pick one..and they are just messing around not even try to play seriously.So Doa maybe aint the best place to determine whos pro or newbie or rude or ignorant or anything.

Seriously, there's alot of people who probably didn't know how to do some of the bonuses here, or follow instructions. On my level 20 prophecies war, I decided to do the bonuses that was previously missed. Grouped with 3 other pugs and my heroes and we did D'Alessio Seaboard. Nobody went to protect Benji except me. Grouped with 3 other pugs again in Divinity Coast, it was only me who ran over and protect the Villagers for bonus. On Bloodstone Fen, I grouped with 3 pugs, I said time and time again 'Don't attack the guardians' and what some idiotic noob do? killed a guardian. I got pissed at that point and left the group. I soloed to get the bonus myself.

I don't want to start anything controversial, but some of the biggest a-holes of this game are in pvp. Everywhere I go, people scream noob, ebayer, loser, I see ragequiters, leechers, and more types of people. I mean, I cannot believe some of these guys.

I wouldn't and couldn't give a damn about how ignorant or rude people are. Ignore list, or just ignore it.

I've spent much time trapping UW, some in Stygian and was taught by a very good and patient player. I listened and watched, then I wanted to pull and have become pretty good over time.

I was told what worked best for trapping, the WS 16, having a staff for more energy, etc. I saw what was working for an experienced player and went with it.

In a 3 man UW trap team you can tell when someone does not have WS 16 as the monsters don't die right off - used to get annoyed, now I just adjust my gameplay and expect either to die or do some running around.

Earlier today a player was in ToA asking about the wintersday quest, where to go. I answered his question. After he was done that part he wanted to know where to get the garlic for that quest, I answered. His response was "where is Bettletun?" I gave him directions , pretty simple to do. I think you get my point. I was enroute to Sanctum from ToA or I would have run around with him as well - it can be fun playing with new(er) players.

I was once ignorant (didn't know things) and either learned or was taught. I choose to teach when asked. And I still ask players what skills etc they use when I see something that is effective.

Don't know it all - never will, will teach what I know when someone asks a question though.

PvE is not better.

Yup same here.. during a RA game I see a guy flamin me and PM me after the game..*puts on ignore*

Morale of the story ladies and gents and everything else, these things have happened, is happening, and will forever happen in the internet realm. Ranting won't help so why bother? Enjoy the game or move on, forcing yourself to stay in a place that doesn't make you happy, will never make you happy in the future.

@ the OP: Cow Tale wasn't kidding when he said, "get over yourself". Who cares if some people are going in DoA with 8 people, you're not being forced to join a 8 man group now are you? As for players bringing "wrong" skills and whatnot, again, who's forcing you to join them? What you need is to find someone exactly like you, "leetness" and all. But then again, you two will probably be butting heads...

The reason why GWs, and the internet in general is full of ignorant, morons who treat others like dirt is this;

They can get away with it. They behave in a way which they couldnt in real life.

If these people went to their local pub, and spoke to people in person they way they do online, they would get a glass smashed in their face. And they know it.

But because their protected by thousands of miles, a computer screen and an alias, they suddenly find a back bone and feel they can speak to anyone they meet in anyway they wish.

Its not unique to GWs. Its the general attitude accross the whole internet. Just look at the vast majority of threads which are created in this website alone. Then look at how many of those threads end up being flamed and turned into an arguement.

I would guess around 90% of threads created here and on most websites get flamed at one point or another.

Something which is usually started by just one or two individuals trying to look clever and wanting to feel big by criticising someones opinion.

And the most common form of attack against someone else in GWs is?

The word "noob".

Something which is meant to define "new to the game" and "inexperienced", but like most words its twisted and now is nothing more then a generic insult.

Similarites being the word "gay". A word which unfortunately is still twisted by most immature children and young adults to be an insult.

The unfortunate truth is that there is nothing we can do about abuse and the attitudes online and in GWs.

Its inherant and it will always persist because people will always have more courage to say things when you cant see their face and you cant retalliate.

The chances are that alot of these arrogant, abusive people are young teenagers or young adults.

If you took those same people and put them in a situation where they were surrounded by real people and then repeated the same debate. Chances are they wouldnt have the nerve to speak the way they do online.

Most people who are loud and rude and obnoxious online, are shy, timid, scared individuals in real life.

Taking their bad moods out on us, because they feel the world owes them one. Because their bullied at school or at work. Because they dont have a g/f or friends.

Its not worth worrying about. Even if it does get to you.

That is nothing new. It happens in PvE too.

i was just camping a present spot ina near deserted district. plenty free spot when sum wammo rolls up stands right beside me. i tell him there plenty of other free spot and its response?

"Go F**k your Mother"

He ended up leaving before any dropped thou because

"Theres some F**ker holding them"

as soon as he left a present spawned too lol

Jay and silent Bob had a damn good solution to the wanna be Ethug problem

There are so many ignorant players because there are so many ignorant humans. It just so happens that the majority of players who pve are preteen boys who have a (self censored) inferiority complex and make up for it by pretending they're leeter than everyone else.

QFT. Some people would rather fight and be retards than listen and learn (see America's school system).

I've played for many many hours, I do research on guildwiki, and here. I read the strategy guides, I try different builds. But there is still so much I haven't learned. Mostly 'leet' areas where no one will answer your questions and then call you a noob for asking. I got thrown out of a FoW group once for asking if the stuff in the chests was worth paying 1500 a key or should I just skip the keys. "OMG F***ing noob, you've never been to FoW etc etc."
Then there's the abbriviations. HOLY CRAP who can keep up with all of it? I look in guildwiki for common jargon, but it changes so fast. And if I ask a question like "What's a B/P" in Urgoz I might as well forget about getting picked up by anyone.
p.s. I know what a b/p is now.

This happened just 10 minutes ago ~

*player*~'What second profession should i have as a paragon?'

*me*~ 'You should go warrior, the paragons get extra benefit from shouts'

*player* (Whispers me)~ 'wtf, thats sounds crap, warriors suck noob'

then on local chat he says

*players*~ 'ill go monk, thanks alot people...'

I get this ALL the time, its why only on rare occasions do i lend a hand to other players.
The lesson learnt here?

Why does he ask it anyway. Well, whatever. Not much to worry about, is there?

I don't get it why people get so upset about other people on the net or in a game. They're not your problem, are they? It has no use and would not make any difference. Everytime someone wants to feel big, I just laugh. Laugh my arse off. I couldn't care less.

I play a mesmer, and honestly that's the kind of BS I've been playing with since day 1. Honestly, it blows my mind how entirely ignorant people can be. All I have to say is that I'm grateful I don't have to wait til the Dragon Lair to get level 20 henchmen, otherwise I'd probably still be struggling with pugs.

I agree with this thread totally, recently i tried to sell my golden razorclaw perfect mods, i offered to a person who adamently replied to me that it was "a piece of xit" and offered 2k i laughed and said that was ridiculous, they replied here see my scythe far better than yours and presented me with a negligble(sp?) green, so i explained gold's are rarer and generally better, then they began to flame me. The gw society is 80% these people and it is very hard to live with as ignoring can be difficult. Just my thoughts. Murtagh

Alright, I feel I'd be a prime example of this. I've had a GW account for about 18 months, yet I've only started playing for more than 15 minutes at a time in the last couple weeks. I've played a couple of other online games over the past few years - the ignorance etc... Is a common feature of the internet, as has already been stated in this topic. Now, I'd like to think that when I'm offered advice etc.... Unlike some of the examples in this topic. You think ignorance is bad, go play some Counter-Strike: Source. Seriously, try and put up with the ignorant whining on there. 'no way was that a headshot' 'lucker n00b' And so forth. It's on BF2 as well, and on other games I've played.

I bring wrong skills, I have crap equipment, some of us can't help not knowing as much as some. Obviously you get the people who think they know everything, when they don't. Just laugh at them and carry on. I think it's a shame when the majority of players make experienced players not want to help anymore, but that's the way it is.

The in-coherent ramblings of a half asleep newbie.