Making History in DoA... then ANet dropped the ball

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Ok, so a group of us set out to do the impossible. We decided to do all four parts of the Mallyx the Unyielding quest in succession in one run. Partially because we were given a "tip" that it was somehow more rewarding.

And more rewarding it was!





So, it turned out that if you do the quests in succession, you get more gems from the end area chest. We got 1 Torment Gem each from the Ravenheart Chest that shows up after beating the Greater Darkness. Then 2 Titan Gems each from the Foundry Chest after beating the Fury, then 3 Margonite Gems after beating Lord Jadoth. (screenshots above for those last two areas.)

Then, ANet's bungled up such a sweet reward. We completed both quests in the Stygian Veil, our ranger Err 7ed and we prevailed still. We got to the Smothering Tendrils, we killed 2 of the six. Then the ENTIRE party got kicked because of Err Code 59.

For those unaware, Err Code 59 is the anti-farming/botting code that kicks out characters that have been on too long. At the point of being kicked we had been chugging at this for 11 hours. So, the game decided we were all bots and kicked us.

This turned the sweet discovery into a great amount of rage. For ANet's developers put a nice reward, then made it unattainable. If you do the quests in succession you get a treat, but we can't allow you to do them in succession, so yeah. Tough luck buddy.

Granted, we can perhaps fine-tune the run to say 10 hours and not take breaks or eat or drink or go to the bathroom, but come on ANet, this is ridiculous.

Skyreal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Zeros Elite Knights Of Chaos [Zero]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlos
Granted, we can perhaps fine-tune the run to say 10 hours and not take breaks or eat or drink or go to the bathroom, but come on ANet, this is ridiculous. QFT. I don't think I'm ready to pour another 12 hours into this unless I get some confirmation that this won't happen again. Guild Wars is fun, but not THAT fun.

Spadas Datum

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

Sitting up all night into the morning to get an err 59 while on the brink of success has greatly made my christmas eve a bad one. ANet, fix this up pleaseeeeee.

broodijzer

broodijzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

void

Mo/

ouch, I feel sorry for you guys. Anet should definitely look into this.

Drewfense

Drewfense

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/Me

Further verification, the mission map. We brought the Shard of Brilliance all the way from Ravengloom to Stygian

The boss was half dead...just needed about 10 more minutes. After staying in a zone for 10 hours, code 59 auto-boots. With a more coordinated group (and not playing half asleep), we could have cut a couple hours off the time, but it still sucks to have been that close. Assumingly the reward would have been 4 gems each for the last zone, but there may have been an additional reward.

noodle

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

Wow, if I am you, I would be pretty pee-off too. You definitely have a case there against Anet if you can provide more proofs or screenshots. Do you live in US? If so, doesn't everyone is US can sue anyone for not providing the service they advertised?

shinslw

shinslw

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

TLK

Rt/R

Wow, this sure is a discovery. Well done, alot of groups will usually give up after they complete one quest thats why it has not been found till now.

AW Lore

AW Lore

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

Ancient Warriors Gaming Clan

W/Mo

nice discovery, and altough its sad that happened near the end, i think it was rewarding itself to have gotten that far in one day and got that many gems

Quote:
our ranger Err 7ed
question, arent the reconnects working now? or they havent still been implemented?

Quote:
Err Code 59 is the anti-farming/botting code that kicks out characters that have been on too long
from guildwiki:
Quote: If the account has been logged in for more then 24 hours it will be disconnected. Also, if the account is logged in and is inactive for more then 10 hours with no game play occurring, it will be disconnected.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Error



Quote:
Originally Posted by noodle
Wow, if I am you, I would be pretty pee-off too. You definitely have a case there against Anet if you can provide more proofs or screenshots. Do you live in US? If so, doesn't everyone is US can sue anyone for not providing the service they advertised? wow... just wow.
they have that system to try and prevent something, this is the first time (i have seen on this forums) were a playing party has come across this, ANet might not have thought that players would try and take on the entire quest, maybe top 3 parts of the quest.

back on topic, if the rewards escalate this way, what about beggining at the middle (2 of 4 completed) then taking on mallyx, could that yield additional reward?

who knows, still nice finding

BlackRecluse

BlackRecluse

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

[Dark]

W/

you were actually playing for 11 hours.../mouthdrop

Drewfense

Drewfense

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/Me

Reconnects work (I actually had to during Ravengloom), but if you don't do so in 10 minutes, the window to reconnect passes (the ranger was slow to reboot). I don't think there are any ties between consecutive quests and Mallyx since they are almost 2 different zones with different entry points. Perhaps completion of the 4th spawns the Ebon Citadel quest, but there was no indication from completion of the previous zones (all of us had all the quests completed already of course).

Shaden

Shaden

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Lost Keys to Perception {lost}

R/

Game Experience May Change During Online Play. You can't sue for what happened. lol

Anyways sorry to hear that, that does suck. I'd be extremly pissed also... when does this err59 occur though? I spent 17 hours (well me and friend switching as we went to classes) on my character and never got kicked once... and I was farming.

Skyreal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Zeros Elite Knights Of Chaos [Zero]

A/

I'm not sure when this error occurs, but the fact that we ALL error 059ed at exactly the same time - we were all on vent so there is no question about this - and that NONE of my other friends online at the time experienced it suggests to me that this is definitely NOT a coincidence, but a design flaw somewhere. 10 hours in DoA starting from Ravenheart Gloom is probably close to the mark. I said 12 earlier because there was another 2 hours or so that we spent getting set up, wiping the first few times etc..

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

As the note on Wiki says, the Err 59 boot takes place if you have been in a specific zone for 10 straight hours (idle or not does not make a difference). I have been on for 1 day plus 10 hours one time (game just says you have been on for 1 day) and not gotten kicked. Simply because I was doing different things.

The entire DoA is one zone (i.e. even though you can enter through the Foundry, the City, the Gloom or the Veil, you really enter the same explorable area). This is why we all got booted at exactly the same time, because we all entered the Gloom at exactly the same time.

Kern Wolf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

NJ

W/E

Congrats on one hell of an attempt (that's something I wish I had been a part of!). I, myself, will also be REALLY curious to see if ANET will answer this, because, IMO, their anti-farming code punished you in the end (unfairly). If this is supposed to be an elite area, then, IMO, I'd have to view this code as a restriction on what was an amazing attempt. I'd be willing to bet that they never thought someone would try what your group did...

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kern Wolf
I'd be willing to bet that they never thought someone would try what your group did... Well, that was the confounding question... Why would ANet put a reward for something they think will never happen. A partial answer to this was that according to one Dev, they originally figured each DoA quest would take 1 to 1.5 hours to complete. Which, in my opinion, proves they never even tried this stuff.

The City and Gloom can be done in 1.5 hours, last night we only did the essentials in the Veil (when the Ranger dropped) so we got it down to 2 hours. However, we have not found a way to slim down the Foundry. It takes us 3 hours minimum if we are super efficient and fast. Just insane. So, that's 8 hours if you take no breaks and if you have perfect builds for each section (which we do not because we have one build for all 4, not a specific build for each). So, overall, just a crazy paradox.

Achrr The Archer

Achrr The Archer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Minnesota

[Bye]

Mo/

My eyes still hurt from being on for that amount of time straight.

anshin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlos
As the note on Wiki says, the Err 59 boot takes place if you have been in a specific zone for 10 straight hours (idle or not does not make a difference). I have been on for 1 day plus 10 hours one time (game just says you have been on for 1 day) and not gotten kicked. Simply because I was doing different things.

The entire DoA is one zone (i.e. even though you can enter through the Foundry, the City, the Gloom or the Veil, you really enter the same explorable area). This is why we all got booted at exactly the same time, because we all entered the Gloom at exactly the same time. well... so it kinda is fair that you were all kicked...sorry

anyways... gratz on this great finding

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

What I'm more interested in is the build you've used.

Please say it wasn't all trappers...

Sal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

PWN

Mo/E

Man O Man Lamees , after I err'd out and couldn't get back in I thought you 7 would surely complete the last quest . That just sucks big time man !

To Anet , please pm Karlos and get the party list and deposit to each account the following items and all will be forgiven

10 Peppermint CCs

4 Stygian Gem Stones

2 Primevial Armors

1 Ambrance of Truth

1 Torment Weapon (matching char)

1 Green Weapon (matching char)


I know , I know , I'm dreamin' , but hey , I stayed up for 12 hours and have had very little sleep lately


And..... it is after all Christmas

Kern Wolf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

NJ

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by anshin
well... so it kinda is fair that you were all kicked...sorry

anyways... gratz on this great finding Actually, it ISN'T fair, when you think about it...
While I haven't gone to DoA (yet), I wouldnt think that all groups would use the exact same builds to go there. If you attempt what this group did (which I'm STILL shaking my head at...congrats again!), you are almost forced to be perfect (knowing EXACTLY what you're doing, or have to do, right from the beginning) before that stupid code kicks in. It doesnt allow for group breaks to happen (i.e. bathroom), it doesnt allow your group to take some time to talk about how you're going to do the next quest---heck, what if they finished a quest, and just wanted to walk through the area killing everything?
They need to remove the code from this area...

Drewfense

Drewfense

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
What I'm more interested in is the build you've used.

Please say it wasn't all trappers... 8 touch rangers.

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

We used the classic build that I posted on here before (See the threads "Stygian Veil build on the wiki" and "Foundry build on the wiki") and we just modified all characters to include the essential skills for each area. If you have done that build for each of those areas, you know there are a few skills that make life easier in each one (constant spell coverage for the tank in Gloom, corpse travel in Foundry, ....) so, we just made sure each of those cool skills was on someone in the party. The structure is the same though, 3 monks, 3 nukers, 1 tank, 1 utility ranger.

kitsune23

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Green Bay

Slightly Inebriated

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewfense
8 touch rangers. ROFL

Man, it's disheartening getting to the end of the foundry and then having the stupid prisoner get stuck or body blocked and lose. After that attempt and what happened, I'd be floored (and probably taking a few days away from GW before I could even think of doing anything again). Of course, the rewards for a succesful completion are quite nice. I'm really curious now if the reward for all 4 in one go is just the scaling gems drops, or something else in addition. GL on your next go!

Jeff Highwind

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

Damn I would bow to you guys if this wasn't the internet.

Least you guys made a pretty penny from drops, but it is disenharting that you get dropped from some silly code.

Spadas Datum

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

Well, we will again attempt to do all 4 and maybe beating Mallyx too, but it's all going to be done on the weekend and definitely with some things we have to tweak and work out concerning the build. It's definitely going to be a race against time. *glares at the err59 10 hour mark*

Alka

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

belgrade

E/

i noticed that game(anet ) tend to punish better players and reward bad ones, you should sue them for this 059 this just make me hate anet

milan

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

BONE

N/

I'm sorry that your run came to such an abrupt end and in the way it did. Hopefully there will be some changes made eventually to the way the err code works.

With that said I must congratulate you guys on the attempt, I'm pretty impressed.

phillydilly

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

This is just an idea...

Would it reset the timer if you guys all disconnected then reconnected?
say at the 8 hour mark. each one of you take a turn disconnecting then reconnecting?

might be worth a try...

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Definitely not necessary. We got the first 8 hours down to 5 last night. So, yeah, we're not in danger of the 10 hour mark anymore.

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

Nice! If u can beat mallyx also in ur run, watch each person on ur team pull an armbrace instead of the mallyx greens

Sword

Sword

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/

this is lame ... needs to be fixed

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

I feel sorry for the OP, this needs to be addressed.

Edit:

Now that the op mentioned it, i remembered i got kicked by Err Code 59 while playing over the weekend as well when i last saw i clocked 10 hours....so that was what happened ><

lennymon

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

and a partridge in a pear treee.... ;P

that sucks, you guys deserved better! very nice job though on your parts.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal
Man O Man Lamees , after I err'd out and couldn't get back in I thought you 7 would surely complete the last quest . That just sucks big time man !

To Anet , please pm Karlos and get the party list and deposit to each account the following items and all will be forgiven

10 Peppermint CCs

4 Stygian Gem Stones

2 Primevial Armors

1 Ambrance of Truth

1 Torment Weapon (matching char)

1 Green Weapon (matching char)


I know , I know , I'm dreamin' , but hey , I stayed up for 12 hours and have had very little sleep lately


And..... it is after all Christmas

Cygnus_Zero

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

N/Me

Do they not understand you can never stop botting? You fix one thing, and they will ALWAYS find a way around it. So instead they break the game for those of us that spent our money on it that arent cheating. This drives me insane about online PC games.

VitisVinifera

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

there are so many aspects to DOA that are totally ill-conceived, but to get screwed by anti-farm auto-boot is ridiculous
gg anerf

wassup1444465

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Slash Rank [DeeR]

As unfortunate as this is, that was by far the BEST thing I've ever seen anybody do in pve. Eleven hours is hardcore as hell. Sorry to hear what happened.

HOWEVER, you have also stumbled upon something good. Depending on what zone you start in determines how many of the gems of each type you get. That means that if you save the rarest zone for third (because of the time issue) you can get three of that gem instead of three Marg gems.

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Not sure if you guys are aware, but we already succeeded in completing the run in 8.5 hours. Check here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10096618

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlos
Ok, so a group of us set out to do the impossible. We decided to do all four parts of the Mallyx the Unyielding quest in succession in one run. Partially because we were given a "tip" that it was somehow more rewarding.

And more rewarding it was!





So, it turned out that if you do the quests in succession, you get more gems from the end area chest. We got 1 Torment Gem each from the Ravenheart Chest that shows up after beating the Greater Darkness. Then 2 Titan Gems each from the Foundry Chest after beating the Fury, then 3 Margonite Gems after beating Lord Jadoth. (screenshots above for those last two areas.)

Then, ANet's bungled up such a sweet reward. We completed both quests in the Stygian Veil, our ranger Err 7ed and we prevailed still. We got to the Smothering Tendrils, we killed 2 of the six. Then the ENTIRE party got kicked because of Err Code 59.

For those unaware, Err Code 59 is the anti-farming/botting code that kicks out characters that have been on too long. At the point of being kicked we had been chugging at this for 11 hours. So, the game decided we were all bots and kicked us.

This turned the sweet discovery into a great amount of rage. For ANet's developers put a nice reward, then made it unattainable. If you do the quests in succession you get a treat, but we can't allow you to do them in succession, so yeah. Tough luck buddy.

Granted, we can perhaps fine-tune the run to say 10 hours and not take breaks or eat or drink or go to the bathroom, but come on ANet, this is ridiculous. Hmm I dont not know if worth the reward, if you spend 10+ Hours to complete the whole Myallx quest to get all that. It just not worth it to my opinion because you must take a break so or later or you will get hooked in the game very much and that not very healthly.

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar Exico
Hmm I dont not know if worth the reward, if you spend 10+ Hours to complete the whole Myallx quest to get all that. It just not worth it to my opinion because you must take a break so or later or you will get hooked in the game very much and that not very healthly. It's very much worth it if you can put in the time. If you check the post above yours, we got it down to 8 hours. That would be the same time to do each separately. Only, instead of getting one gem after each chest, you get 1, 2, 3 then 4. So, 10 gems out of the chests instead of 4. That's a 150% increase in gems.

OoO7sinsOoO

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

We Pawn Kids

N/Me

Kind of on a related note, i was 300 points away from the all time high score of the Aurios Mines challenge mission and i got err. 59 (11 hours of aurios mines...) Needless to say i was ready to punch my computer...