I need help buying a computer that will suit GW

I bought GW not knowing that my computer was completely inadaquate but I am looking into buying a new one so I need to know which of these would work for it. (none of these have a agp slot unless specified, but there is a ATI Radeon 9550 on sale at Best buy) Keep in mind that all of these are bundles and come with a monitor, mouse and keyboard.



eMachines 524 Desktop:($409.97)

System Memory (RAM): 512MB
Type of Memory (RAM): PC3200 DDR
Hard Drive Size : 160GB
Graphics: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 integrated
Video Memory: Up to 128MB (shared)
Processor Brand: Intel® Pentium® 4 with HT Technology
Processor Speed: 3.06GH
Available Expansion Slots: 1 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16





eMachines 352 Desktop($359.97)

Processor Brand: Intel® Celeron® D
Processor Speed: 3.2GHz
System Bus: 533MHz
System Memory (RAM): 512MB
Hard Drive Size: 120GB
Graphics: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200
Video Memory: Up to 128MB (shared)
Available Expansion Slots: 1 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16






Compaq Presario Desktop PC($349.99 after $50.00 rebates)

Processor brand: AMD Sempron
Processor speed: 1.8GHz
Bus Speed: 1600MHz
RAM: 512MB
Hard drive size: 120GB
Graphics: Integrated nVIDIA GeForce™ 6150LE
Video memory: 256MB
Video Memory Type: Shared
Available PCI Slots: 3




Acer AcerPower S280($370 one of the cheapest ones i found + AGP slot to get that card on sale!)

Processor: Intel Celeron D 336
Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz
Bus Speed: 533 MHz
RAM: 256 MB
Hard Drive: 80 GB
Graphics Controller - Type: Integrated
Graphics Controller Graphics Card SiS 661GX
Expansion Slots Total (Free): 3 x PCI ¦ 1 x AGP 8x




Any help in advising me would be great. I have Guild Wars Prophcies and I would like to run it as smooth as possible. Thanks in advance for any help.

I like the first one. If you want smooth gameplay upgrade the ram to 1 gig and get a pci-e card.

None, they all look a bit crap. Mu suggestion would be to buy the components and build your own.

I agree with gwfan. It looks to be the best of the ones you posted, and definitely upgrade to 1 gig of ram, pretty much the standard nowadays. It would also be a better bet with the PCI-E for your card since AGP are on the way out.

You can always build one, but really unless you know what to look for and that, it will cost you more than a pre-built which you can just modify afterwards.

I'm still using my old pc, but I just found out something new. While playing prophecies, I moved my character to Kaineng city from Lion's arch, and this is my proph. character. I could play it fine just like how I would in prophecies, and no error messages popped up. So then I went to my factions toon at shing jea monastery, and went to sunqua vale and the message of an error popped up again.

However, using my prophecies character in Factions didn't seem to cause a trouble. I was able to go from the port to Kaineng, and from Kaineng to budwe pass or something like that. So I don't understand how this can be?

And yea, my video card isn't supported by the hardware device I have...and it's a old model I think...NVIDIA RIVA Model 64 (Sony)..but I'm also getting a new pc for college etc...and factions did a data repair and all that before, but it didn't seem to help.

The first one is your best bet as the processor is actually capable of running GW (almost identical to my own). The 512 MB of RAM and the integrated graphics are grossly inadequate though. You can upgrade to a gig of RAM and cheap AGP or PCI-e card for under 200$ if you look around though.

Basically, all you are worried about for playing Guild Wars is Graphics, and they ALL need replacements in that regards.

So for Guild Wars they are all about the same. One of them doesn't have PCI-E or AGP slots, just old PCI..avoid it. Also avoid Celeron processors, the real Pentiums are cheap enough now...

BTW:
- My friend was playing with 512 for the longest time..."Grossly" would imply that he was lagging horribly...he wasn't...

In that case, he had very few background system services. If you plan on running a virusscan or firewall, in addition to a few other services, get more RAM.

Please for your own good stay away from E-machines!!!These things are horrible!! I am going to start a crusade against them.I am a tech and We get alot of these in where the power supply died and destroyed the motherboard. I had one in yesterday where the capacitors had blown up in a very smelly burning electronic stink..gross..seriosly have a friend help you build your own.. or teach yourself.Please don't buy an E-machine!!!

The third has an onboard that will easily play it.

That computer, out of the box, will do what you wanna do. If not, there's an x1300 PCI that will make a nice home in there and absolutely tear up.

6150, for the uninformed, is a 6200 in onboard form. We covered previously that the 6200 is MORE than capable of doing the job.

And, to boot, a Sempron isn't a bad choice, especially considering the other options. It'll be faster in gaming than the other ones, and cheaper besides.

None of them appeal to me, personally. I find that "boxed" machines are junk and assembled from highly inferior parts. The motherboards and power supplies are garbage and the cases are like ovens.

An NVidia 6200 (non integrated 6150) is the same release series as a 9550 from ATI. So you won't see that much improvement from the 6200 to the 9550. I'd say go with #3 and use the money you saved from not buying the card and on the base price to get another 512mb of ram or 256mb of ram.

When we needed a second PC for upstairs, we picked up an eMachines until we had time and money to scratch build one. Yes, they use outdated parts. Yes, they are mass produced. The one we picked up had onboard graphics capable of playing GW, but only 512 RAM. We picked up a 1 gig stick on sale. GW will play on medium graphics with no lag.

A 6200 is the same series as the X seris of ATi cards, not the 9xxx. That would be a 5200 you're thinking of. This is a lot different. A6200 will play most every option turned up, so long as it's not giant resolutions...

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I hate people that immediately think that everyone can build their own PC just like that. Not everyone is a computer guru and knows exactly what is compatible with what and how to assemble everything. Plus, you don't get warantees with a homemade PC. On topic, go witht he first one and add a 512MB stick to your RAM.

I would say: save up 300 more bucks and buy a 700$ computer. you can have some pretty good one at this price, but under 400$... I'm affraid you wont be able to play alot.

Hate's a strong word, it's actually pretty simple. That is what these forums and other tech forums are for, here to help. It's quite easy to assemble, also easier to Google up a guide with step-by-step pictures, everyone has to start somewhere - why not now?

Erm, yes, you really do...I prefer warranties on each computer part than the whole thing, then when I want to RMA or send a faulty part, I don't have to send the whole computer back, most companys give a few year warrantys, some give lifetime warrantys depending on the part.


On-topic; as for the computers choice to play Guild Wars, the third PC with an AMD Sempron and the GeForce 6150 will more than adequate enough to play Guild Wars, just don't use huge resolutions for it (1280x1024 +).

1. SiS is & always will be utter crap (yes despite the low price its not worth it, regardless of component(s)).

2. Intergrated graphics are just about useless for games, the radion/nvidia intergrated are not as good as the stand alone versions.

3. Some online-stores have their own "packages" they sell which are just standard/medium/high-performance components which can go a long way.

4. The Best Gaming Graphics Cards for the Money: December 2006 from tomshardware gives excellent tips on best bang per buck.

All of those machines are crap. I only say this because nearly all "box" systems are assembled using inferior parts and leave little room for inexpensive upgrades in the future.

I would suggest you give building your own rig a shot. It's truly not as difficult as it is time consuming. The time consuming part, of course, is the research you will have to do to match up components. The information is out there, and most of those specs and numbers are merely marketing tools. The important figures will become obvious to you and you will find that you can build a better system for nearly the same money or a slight bit more.

well none of them are great, but i would go with the campaq for sure. AMD processors are so much better quality than Intel, its rediculous. My friend has a compaq and has never had any problems with it.

Yea I just saw that, and if he is getting a monitor with the computer you can guess that it's 1280x1040.

My friend, have you been living in a cave the last 5 months?

But all kidding aside, I have to admit, it kinda irks me a little when I read some guy saying how DYIing a computer is cheaper than buying from a volume etailer. I mean, that’s just a bunch of BS. There are a lot of hidden cost involved in building a machine, not the least of which is the fact that you may have to RMA parts and will have to dish out the restocking fee and shipping costs.

Even worse, how’s a first-time builder even going to know what he needs to RMA supposing his assembled machine doesn’t POST the first time he powers up? If you buy a Dell and the Dell doesn't work, you call Dell and Dell fixes it for you. If your do-it-yourself machine don’t work, you have to call the manufacturer of each component for technical support….I mean, I pity the poor bastard who has to go thru Asus customer care! Or Abit!! Or - heaven forbid - MSI!! Good luck with that.

But anyway, my main point is that a retail box can offer pretty good bang for the buck. Here’s an example I saw on Tigerdirect today: Systemax™ Venture™ VX2 Intel®Core™2 Duo E6700 / 2GB DDR2 / 2x250GB SATA RAID 0 / DL DVD±RW / DVD-ROM/CD-RW / D975XBX / Flash Reader / Windows® XP Pro / Desktop

Price is $1999.99

Well, just do the math….

-CPU is Intel E6700. Retails for about $509.99 on Newegg
-MB is Intel D975XBX. Not sure what revision, but again these aren’t cheap. Say $200.00 or so.
-Video card is ATI Radeon X1950 XTX 512MB. Seems to me that would cost you about $380 from Newegg, ZipZoom, etc etc.
-OS is Windows XP Pro w/ SP2. OEM version is $139.00 on the Egg
-RAM is unknown brand but 2 x 1GB DDR2 800 (PC6400). Even the cheapest stuff avail is still gonna run about $250. And quality stuff could cost as much as $350 to $450.
-Case is Systemax midtower with “no-name” 500w PSU. Let’s say $75 for an equivalent medium-good mid-tower from Newegg
-2 optical drives and media card reader. Let’s say $60 total for a cheap DVD-ROM drive, DVD-burner and 10-in-1 flash card reader.
-2 x 250GB HDD. I’d guess about 120-$140 for 2 WD/SG/Hitach 7200RMP HHDs
-Input devices – Wireless Logitech keyboard and mouse. Looked it up…$29.99 on the Egg
-assorted other junk – unknown

Note that except for the weak ass power supply, this machine is actually made up of quality parts from Intel, ATI, etc. (for some reason, PSU is where all the computer retailers skimp).

After totaling everything up, you see that at best, building the equivalent machine yourself from Newegg parts would prolly save about $150.00 tops, and prolly less than that, especially if you end up RMAing a bunch of stuff. So much for the idea that building yourself saves massive dough.

Personally, the last three machines I’ve had, I built myself. But that was because I wanted special combinations of stuff Dell, Gateway, et al didn’t offer. I built my last machine because I wanted to be able to run 8800GTXs in SLI. But I was never under the delusion that somehow I’d save a ton of money by building my own stuff. And neither should anyone else be.

If my choice was also among the three listed, I would go with the first one. But all have advantages and disadvantages.

The first is probably the most powerfull of the three (with the Sempron comming in second). However, it is probably a Prescot chip, so your CPU upgrades in the future are limited. But on the plus side, it has PCIe.

The second one does give the option to upgrade the CPU to an LGA-775 Pentium 4, but more then likely it will not upgrade to Core 2. It also has PCIe, which is a good advantage.

The third one also has some great CPU upgrade potential. Depending on the flavor of CPU (754-939-AM2), it may even go all the way up to Dual Core 5000+. But the biggest issue is that it does not have a PCIe slot. So forget on ever upgrading the video on it.

If you get any of them though, I strongly suggest having it put into a better case with proper cooling and a good power supply. Those are the weakest links in the "Consumer" model computers today. They save a few bucks by cheating you on cooling and power supply, which greatly reduces the lifespan of the computers. Most seem to die within 2 years.

And "Custom Built" is not as expensive as most people would lead you to believe. We sell custom built computers all the time in the $650-700 range. These are not "cheap units", but use Retail box CPUs (3 year warranty), Asus or MSI motherboards, DVD burners, and 120 gig SATA drives.

If I was to make a suggestion, it would be to buy the first computer, and put it in a better case. Then when you get some spare money, get a better quality video card and maybe some more RAM.

And every year, put $100-200 in upgrades into it. If not this year, $100 next year for Vista. In 2-3 years, a new motherboard and CPU. By doing gradual upgrades, your computer will stay fast and up to date. The mistake most people make is that they wait 3-5 years, then want it upgraded. By that time, everything in it is so old, it is almost worthless for use in a new system. Today we use DDR2 RAM, while 4 years ago we used mostly PC-133. 4 years ago AGP 8x was all the rage, while today we use PCIe 16x. And in the last 2 years SATA has finally made the old IDE hard drives obsolete.

have you been liveing in a cave for the last few months?. Ever hear of the Intel core 2 duo? It beats ALL of the current amds by a LONG way. As for those 4 systems I would'nt get any of them. Ask around and see if any of your friends can build a pc for you. As building it your self IS SO MUCH cheaper.

Yes if you get one from dell they will fix it for you if it goes wrong BUT it will take then the best part of 2 months and the most important thing IS, you WILL NOT be able to upgrade your dell with out voiding the warrently. Unless you have dell do it and they will only use dell parts which will cost you two or three times as much as "normal" parts.

If you DIY it you can upgrade at ANY TIME you want.

I'm not gonna knock the guy for wanting a pre-built. It's a lot less headache. If you need to buy a mojar brand from a big box store, save up a little more and look at PCs in the $800-1200 range. If you've got to keep it under $500, try looking at some of the refurbs on Tiger Direct. Be forewarned: it's a pain in the arse to get any of the rebates they promise, so don't count on 'em.

I have nothing but good things to report about Dell customer service, at least if you are the owner of an XPS system. If you own a Dimension or something, you're screwed, since it'll take an hour on the phone just to get thru to a live body. And like Spike says, maybe in a month your machine will be up and running again. But the XPS customer care is first rate, at least since this fall when Dell contracted HSB for tech support. Yes, XPS tech support is US-based again (Arizona I think), not that company in India that was so horrible.

Incidentally, if you put "normal" parts in your Dell, you don't void the warranty. I asked a tech guy precisely this question. What happens is, if you have to call tech support any time after modifying your system, they will ask you to put the original parts back in the system. And if your system still doesn't work, then they can help you.

This is almost an "Apples Vs. Oranges" arguement. Because with that higher performance comes a substantially higher cost. And the question is really about a computer that can play GW, not an "uber performance" system.

For Guild Wars, you do not need a super-fast dual core system. And when you compare on a price Vs. performance scale, AMD does come out on top.

If somebody wants a super gaming system (or super anything system) and money is not an issue, I myself tend to suggest Intel. But for those of us who live in the "Cheap Seats" of life, I tend to suggest AMD, because of the value.

And here is an FYI: other then the major makers who buy in the thousands, the Sempron is pretty much extinct. In fact, the lowest speed AMD that our suppliers have is the Athlon 3200 (they sold out of Semprons in early December). And at less then half the cost of the lowest Core 2, it is a really sweet deal.

One word of caution though: if you consider buying a Sempron (or Athlon) processor, make sure it is an AM2. Do not get one that is Socket 754 or 939. Because when it comes time to upgrade, you will find out that the older sockets are "no longer available". I give the same suggestion to those that get a Pentium 4. If it is not an LGA-775, avoid it.

Hmm I just checked the site i get my pc stuff form (komplett.co.uk) Cheapest AM2 cpu is AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0GHz Socket AM2 1MB, BOXED w/fan, 65W at £85

cheapest Core 2 duo is Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86GHz Socket LGA775, 2MB, BOXED w/fan at £125

Thats £40 different and the core 2 duo is at least twice as good if not better. SO please tell me how £85 is less than half £125. Aslo the price vs performance is favour of the Intel chip by a LONG way. So a core 2 duo is NOT as expenisve as you seem to think.

Hmm, I thought long and hard before making the switch to Core 2 Duo...it meant getting a new moboard, new memory, new everything. In the end, I decided to go for it.

The E6400 costs about $220.00 on Newegg, last time I checked. E6300 is about $180 or so, but let's stick with the E6400 cause it seems to be the CPU of choice for budget gaming systems right now.

There's an article in Tom's Hardware that discusses what an incredible value the E6400 is. Please check it out before making up your mind about what processor to buy: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/

In short, TH got the E6400 clocked to 3.1GHz on its STOCK cooler. Think about what that means. It means, that without spending any extra money on water or phase change cooling, you can spend $220 for a CPU that will equal or slightly better the performance of a stock X6800 that costs about $750 more.

As far as AMD is concerned, I mean good grief their pricing model is insane. Newegg has the Athlon 64 FX-62 Windsor 2.8GHz listed at $677.99. Even if it could cost half as much, it would still be a rip off.

E6400 + Intel P965 chipset = $360-$400 for the CPU and the main board. Top performance, insane oc potential, and garranteed support for at least a couple years till Intel redesigns their core again. I don't see how AMD can compete with that.

Although some of them have decent specs, all of them have some sort of fatal spec that makes it a piece of crap. When buying a pc, look for the following:

2 ghz - 3 ghz. Doesn't matter in terms of guild wars too too much, but the 1.8 is too low.

512 or 1gb RAM

Try to get at least 256 video RAM (its the video card quality)

Note that these are not top of the line by any means, but they will run guild wars perfectly smoothly with top graphics and maybe even a little anti aliasing to boot. These are specs to look for when shopping for price, not value.

I think pretty much every system out there is a dual core these days so don't worry about that. Also, try to make sure you have extra RAM expansion slots. If you have extras, you can buy more later to upgrade. They add to eachother, they don't replace eachother. Say you have 4 slots. They usually come with 2x 512's, which takes up 2 slots, then you could go buy let's say 2 more 1 gb RAM sticks. 512+512+1gb+1gb = 3gb RAM. Though that is much more than you'll need for just about anything these days. 1gb will suffice, I run gw on 512 just fine but I get occasional lag and I can't have my graphics totally pumped.

Athough my budget was a little higher I purchased a Dell from the online outlet store and I'm happy with service and the same warrantee you could get for new. I had a problem with the fan being loud but they sent a service guy out to fix it in two days after I called.

I found this system. They have new stuff all the time. You can filter by criteria to find a system that fits your needs in your budget. This one doesn't come with a Monitor but I assume you can use your old one.


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dude, just try to build your own. You might spend a bit more money, but its worth it. Then you will get all the features that you want!

I believe you are talking about the athalon? mine is 1.8 and it runs faster than almost any intel. Intel stresses having the higher gigahertz, AMD stresses the actual speed of the processor. they run about the same speed, but AMDs can handle more over clocking and are less likely to be shipped to you broken.

Intel has better performance. I found the speed to better, too. And my intel processor shipped just fine. But AMD is the way to go if you don't want to take risks of a broken processor. Even though I use intel, you should get an AMD probably, because the game performance ends up being beter.

games do run better on AMD. if i wanted an office computer, i would buy a cheap dell with an intel, but for a gaming rig AMD is the way to go. I guess my main warning is that if you do build your own, go with an AMD since Intels are broken pretty often (I got 2 before i switched to AMD), and their customer service is pretty bad so it will take a day or 2 of talking on the phone before you can send it back.

coloneh is right. if you don't know what you are doing when you build a computer, then amd is the way to go. if you are a gamer, amd is the way to go. but if you plan on the cpu to be a community computer/working/homework/etc. then you should buy an intel processor and be very careful. Intel can be a very powerful processor, if you are the kind of person who wants it to be. But for your sake, if you buy or build a computer, then use amd. you won't go wrong!

*GASP* WHAT AM I SAYING! AN INTEL USER SUPPORTING AMD??? lol j/k. I got intel because the motherboard i bought was an intel p4 motherboard, and it was the cheapest high end motherboard, so i just went with intel. say coloneh, did you build your own computer???

DIYing is more expensive than buying a pc from major pc manufa. I got my sister a Dell5150 with Intel Pentium4 3.06Ghz 1GB DDR2 Ram. 80GB HD,
DVD-RW and 19'LCD for 429 dollars.. it comes with Windows XP Home too.. beat that price with your DIY... FYI, the machine with 6100 video card is better for GW imao. go for that one.

Your 1.8 GHz Athlon runs faster than a Core 2 Duo E6400 running at 3.1 GHz? Gimme a break.

Your Athlon 64 can handle the stress of a 56% overclock? Again, gimme a break.

Looking at the high-end of the spectrum, THG did a head-to-head between a superclocked AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 and a Intel Core 2 Due X6800. Check out the results here: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/

Up and down the product line Core 2 kills the Athlon 64. Not just my opinion, but the opinion of Anandtech, MaximumPC, etc etc etc. So please do a little research before you voice these ridiculous opinions.

The only place where AMD comes out ahead is in the cheapo sub $180 category. Yeah, AMD shines here, cause the only stuff Intel offers in these prices ranges sucks.

Thankfully, I do make a little money, and so I don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for my CPUs.

And before it gets better for AMD, it's gonna get worse, cause when Bearlake launches this spring, Intel will launch a quartet of new Core 2 Duo processors: E6550, E6750, E6800, and E6850. Rumor has it, they will sport a 1333 MT/s FSB, and all the processors will have the full 4 MB of L2 cache enabled, including the entry-level E6550.

Personally, I have no doubt that AMD will be competitive again, but it's gonna be a long long while before their redesigned core sees the light of day. And in the meantime, Core 2 Duo will reign supreme for at least the better part of this year.

Some of us do have budgets to consider. Try not to be so condescending.

For a basic box, with no intent/desire to upgrade, yes. If you want a truly high-end gaming machine, which is well out of the price range of PCs the OP listed, then DIY is much less expensive than custom ordering a machine.