Christmas Present Despair

Does double-clicking the Grentchies really work to free them? I've found them stuck several times but couldn't find a way to set them free.

Also, am I imagining things, or didn't all "young childs" give presents last year? It sure seems like presents spawned faster/more at a time last year too.

Saw someone holding a present "hostage" this morning in American district 2... what great holiday spirit..

Possible solutions:
1. Fix grentchies so they don't get stuck.
2. Make presents explode if held over a certain length of time (ex: 60 or 90 seconds).
3. Make a new present spawn when one is picked up instead of when it's given to a child.
4. Allow more than one present to spawn at a time.
5. All of the above.

C'mon ANet!

lol i laugh out loud whenever i think of someone holding a present "hostage" "give me 100 ectos!or else the present gets to meet my axe!" heh.

heres two more elite cyber athletes to send you "warmest" new years greetings too.

Shutdown a whole dis so they can get it all to themselves. Musta had a bit of trade spam too.

Edited by Racthoh: Image removed, you must black-out names if you do not have the consent of those in the picture.

haha spammed em both and they left

It must be little kids seeing as it's the christmas holidays I tend to play late at night 11pm - 3am when they should be in bed

Seems like the whole world has developed a "GIMMIE IT IT'S MINE" attitude.

Maybe parents should bring back spankings for selfish little children

A Mature Adults Only District would be great, oh not for us of course, but when all the 13 yo jerks go there to pretend to be adults it would free up the regular districts of little kids

Same here, less idiots at that time of day, kudos to KingKryton though, a really decent player, shame theres not more of them like him when it comes to these events.

However when you sound out their guild name perhaps it puts things a bit more in perspective.

Ahahaha. Good one.

Well, <guild name removed> is now topping themselves. Someone showed up in Dist 12 and demanded the grench release or the presents would be held. Here is a quote and I can screenie if needed:

"Yep, we're the present cops. You don't like playing by the rules don't play at all" (punctuation added for ease of reading)

Then after listening to round about arguments how they were sick of 'you people' who stay in a district with stuck Grench someone went ahead and stuck the grench. At which point our little self appointed 'cop' (read gestapo) says 'i see you people want to continue to be dishonest and trap the grench' as he's holding a present. (screens available) So, dist 12, instead of getting drops and sharing is being held hostage by the terror actions of <guild name removed>.

Grench are a pathing issue with AI, most likely. If ANET felt strongly enough about the problem I'm sure they'd call in a programmer, write a few lines and 'bam', small update, everyone is happy. This guild is a path-etic issue with their so called 'cops' mentality. The debate about grench being stuck or not-stuck is just that, debate. This group of buttrockets has gone and taken out a form of vigilante justice and adopted a policy of griefing districts on their own. I only hope ANET does read this to avoid future issues at other festivals.

Fortunate that <name withheld> decided we only rated a 10 minute time-out. But let that be a lesson to us! Er, wait, I wasn't even involved in the grench sticking incident! So have I been griefed out of my online time because of <guild name withheld>.

On the brighter side, they've now spawned a new dist 12 slogan..."Don't be a DK!"

Admitting to a bannable offence probably isnt a smart idea.

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I had great fun earlier today spoiling the fun of a guild group who were trying to control the presents in ID3.
When a few more people than they were comfortable with arrived in the district, they started holding until people left.
So I waited until they slipped up, grabbed a present, and freed the Grentches.
From that point on, one of them would constantly try to get the Grentches stuck, and I would constantly free them.
They eventually left the district completely, although they periodically sent scouts back to see if I was still there.

The insults I got chucked my way were hilarious; so much so that I had more fun antagonising them by freeing Grentches than actually collecting presents.
To be honest I didn't care about the presents, I just wanted to stop their stranglehold on the district.
And it worked

So join me in the "Free the Grentches" movement

I tried double clicking on some stuck Grentches last night, but it didn't work. Other than doing that, I have no idea how to unstick them. Gave up and farmed grawl some more.

To free them, you need to run towards the lighthouse with a prezzie. It probably means you won't get the prezzie, but that's not why you're freeing them, is it?

Snatch up a present and run up towards the lighthouse, when you get in range of them they will follow you. Turn around and let them chase you, it will unstick them.

And for those of you who feel that sticking the grentchies and reaping the rewards is ok...

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php



19. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com.

Most people aren't sticking the grenchies. Some are. I'm not leaving a district just because the grenchies are stuck or get stuck. I happen to like the district I have been in because people tended to be pretty nice and shared drop spots, etc, and after three days there you tend to get to 'know' people and shoot the breeze with them.

The bug is well known and I'm certain ANET has heard about it by now. We're just stuck with whatever we get until they fix it or Wintersday ends.

I remember that! It was pretty funny when I was in the district, and the guy was trying to rationalize himself. Don't get me wrong I'm not for glitching the Grenches, in fact the presents flow faster with them out. I may lose one or two here, and there, but it makes it more exciting, and faster. If you think about it mathematically it comes out to be pretty much even with or without the Grenches being held.

Grenches out = faster spawns (presents blowing up)/ reduced payout (blowing up)
Grenches stuck = slower spawns (people have to run it in everytime)/ more payout (everytime)

My question is who is to say you can't turn in presents because ONE guy decided to exploit the Grench AI. I certainly don't think ANET left that decision to certain guilds, and I don't think there solution would be to lock-down an entire district from turning in presents. Sure I can change districts, but I've already befriended everyone in the district, and we have all worked out spot shares. What if I'm unlucky enough to pick another locked down district?

I'm not the guy glitching anything so why can't I turn in presents? I have done nothing wrong all I did was show up and turn in presents.

Bottom line is:

Grenches glitched or not I'm turning in presents >

Exploiting a bug is exploiting a bug reguarless if you get them stuck or just take advantage of them being stuck.

Play by the rules, its not that hard to unstick them.

I've had no trouble grabbing presents and turning them in. Sometimes I'll hear one drop while I'm afk then alt tab and casualy look for it then pick it up for the kid.

that ranger in the dragon mask is a sexy beast!!! finally came up with a solution that'll make everyone happy, trap 1 grentch so there can't be any grievers up by the light house and the other 2 will run about making the people like storm here happy that we are playing by the "rules" though, there aren't any laid out rules and regulations provided by Anet for this present running... so until then i don't see how this would fall under the EULA violations. if anet comes out and says "hey don't trap the grentches they are part of a game" and actually define what the game is, then i'll recognize this as an exploit. as far as i'm concerned running presents to kids and having a good time with the crowd of folks i choose to be around should mean more to anet then having grentches run about exploding gifts, this isn't gvg for crying out loud. don't like how we share and play, there are 13 other districts you can play in. and btw, i was in d12 when that griefer took the present then used /sit so that no present was visible in possession.

and a little food for thought, if anet thought that this was a game breaking exploit as apparently some believe it is, they would have nerfed it already.. making a present spawn up by the light house. they are normally pretty good about fixing problems like this really fast, so don't be a "bible thumper" with the EULA and claiming this is a major bug/ exploit because if it was, anet would have fixed it ASAP!

Well for one I didnt say it was "game breaking" or a "major bug/exploit"

For clarification: A bug is a bug is a bug.


"so until then i don't see how this would fall under the EULA violations."

19. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com.

OK Astro by your logic that since they have made no rules about it, what is wrong with someone holding a present so no others will spawn?
After all there is no written "rule" about it

Some people have to find every way they can to get over on something either stupid crap like this/scamming people or whatever and use the same defense, try using some common sense!!! *If that doesn't work ask your parents to beat some into you*

On a side note I got some great screen shots of one of your guildies being a really abusive little punk today while we were releasing the grentchies [ sure hope he misses the finale ]

*note to Grentch stickers* As a faithful servant of Grenth it is my sworn duty to help out his minions whenever they are being mistreated so know that myself or others will always spend a little time ruining your exploit.

What you don't understand is that people come into a district where ~10-20 people have been going for 4 days straight now, and a few times a day we goto Shing Jea and give out a few presents to people in Factions. Like i stated in my previous post, we have all been sharing sometimes 2-3 people at a spawn location. Then some people show up being totally obnoxious saying that they are "anet's present watchers" and last time i checked, claiming to be apart of anet in any way and not actually working for anet violated the EULA
so now, which is worse a person or a group of people sharing with others all getting along or someone claiming to be "Anet's present police" or whatever? Hmm.. bet you didn't know that we took presents and stuff to Shing Jea did you, thats right no, you're too busy trying to rain on our fun of just hanging out. That person that ran off with the present is just like the people coming in claiming to be "Anet's present police" all they are doing is seeking attention and by screwing up something where everyone was getting along nicely is their way of getting attention so be it, i changed districts no biggie, just a shame that all the guru forum members that have been coming into d12 and screwing up everyone else's good time, yet another reason why i sadly dislike this community forum and yet ironically, its the best one out there. you might ask how do i know they are guru forum users? simple.. they told us. so someone who didn't get what they wanted for christmas or just someone who's a complete and total boor comes into that district after it was mentioned here on the forums just to prove that they are idiots.

Interesting as how this is in no matter shape or form related to scamming. I assume your next going to come out and call all of us that were hanging out in d12 scammers even though you don't know any of us.

once again, hate to break it to you, but i was the only one from my guild hanging out in d12, and i know it's amazing that there are so many other [DS] and [EVIL] tags out there that they aren't from the same guild. And yes there were several people running around with the same [EVIL] tags as myself but they aren't in my guild. so who's the schmuck now?

That's fine doesn't matter to me if they are out or not, the thing is you guys came here to the forums, read about it and decided that you didn't want people to actually be friendly with each other otherwise i highly doubt that you would have come to d12 on your own, as you have to manually scroll to get there like i stated before though, i will put 1 grentch up by the light house and let the others roam free so that there will be no griefers who run up to the light house and hold the present just to prove that they are indeed an imbecile. so you would much rather have all the grentch free and have someone come into the district and run up to the lighthouse with a present shutting down the spawns? or leave 1 grentch up there for the chance that if someone does try this it'll blow up the present on them? and by the way anet hates griefers more than anything remember the big thing about the gvg ladder /resign spiking, same thing as people running a present to hold onto it so more wont spawn. those people were disqualified from future gvg ladders so there should be a flag that raises once someone's held onto a present for longer then 5 minutes, as it should never take you longer then that to turn in the present.

i'm done posting on this topic, to everyone hope you're having a good wintersday, see you at the finale!!!

it all comes down to the simple fact that there will always be at least one total a-hole who gets his jollies by spoiling other peoples fun.

its only a game, feel sorry for the poor s.o.b. instead of getting mad that you cant run a computer generated present around, after all when gw has gone they will still be total a-holes

To all of you complaining about people holding the presents.....

IMO, if sum1 wants to trap the grentch than let them, but im sick and tired of people complaining about people holding them. Very easy solution : No one traps, No one holds.

Problem solved.

Play the game like your suppose to or dont play it at all.


EDIT : Oh yeah, if people are wanting to report others for holding, they should report themsleves and any other player running presents too. I know im right in sayng that trapping them is exploiting a bug, and every player runs presents while they're trapped. So they are all exploiting a bug.

And how many people do you think are going to actually follow that?
People do things in this game everyday that they shouldn't or is considered grieving. You saying, "play like you're supposed to" isn't gonna do jack.

problem solved huh? you obviously didnt see my screenshot above where are total retard decided to run the present to the lighthouse and was too far for grentches to follow. So the grentches are free but the presents been held out of their line of sight what then? Btw if anet wants names of these people feel free to pm me

FYI running presents isn't a exploit. 90% of people are just active in districts where 10% have already trapped the grentches.

And your logic is flawed,
The so called "Grentch exploit" is a simple game mechanic issue. Their not smart enough to get unstuck. You could even say it not really an exploit; if I hide behind a statue while engaging in a snowball mission, because I know that the AI can't realise I'm shielded. Does that mean I'm exploiting a bug?
Hell I do it in PvP, not the smartest players sometimes. But I do agree it's a bug that is being exploited. (a nice grey area there)

You understand and condone and support, the use of an exploit which simply removes a game based limit.
That limit being time, while being chased by the lil green buggers, your holding time is limited.

But you find issues with peoples disapproval of how a person can disrupt and ceasing the actions of a festive game.
Now considering that the game spawns/ drops presents at a level of one active present at a single time. And the action for the next cycle of a spawn is the destruction or the return of a present. Removing the SINGLE factor that causes 'the present cycle' to continue, devoids the entire idea.

Ok a simple version, You don't mind the use of the exploit. (your post is evidence). But you hate the complaining about people preventing the game.

By your own post the last quote is a moot point

You know what's really sad, I'm voicing a complaint about someone complaining about people complaining

dude, people were paying for a present worth 1 cc shard. O.O
isnt there more than 1 district?
oh ya and im sorry to hear this ruined peoples lives >.>
and maybe some people want to just stand around holding presents cuz they think it looks cool. if so ima go see if this works cuz im bored working on drunkard title....sounds fun

Grasping,
You do realise that people remove the grentches so that they can then run every present to Scrappy Jhim.

Scrappy Jhim is the only child in the GW wintersday event this year that gives the wintersday presents. Further more these presents have the PEPPERMINT candy cane. The candy cane from last years event, that remove DP completely. (This is either a missed bug, or a cruel joke by anet, considering that Pcc's are not part of this years event, I think it's a bug. or oversight.)
So in theory these Wintersday gifts that only come from one child in LA (Scrappy Jhim), which in all likelyhood is a mistake (a forgotten programme element from last years event). Are atleast worth 1k, and since Anet may never release the Peppermint candy cane again, possible more, I would even say 2-3k.

And your a tool for wanting to ruin and destroy a festival game like that.

oh ok i see theres a guy that gives presents for them. ya im a tool. fine by me. damnit hate dealing with childish mentality like yours. lol ruin and destroy QQ more plz. go ahead and let this one drop ok buddy before i lose my cool. and perception is reality for me and wtf is with the op that whines ppl are cheating when he is sitting on a stack of 100 presents...which is wierder? the op's obsessive compulsive present runner behavior or light hearted ppl messing with the bugs? in my head my reasoning makes more sense

if you somehow think holding present and ruining other peoples game time is fun your perception really is screwed up. not everyone has hours to grind on this game. some people come along to have a chat and get a few presents, not to sit around waiting for the present nazis to leave

First of all, Did i say i was for or against? And you sound like the person getting mad because of people holding. People are reporting others for holding the presents, saying its an exploit.
Yet, getting the grentches stuck is also an exploit.
#19. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars.

ANYONE running the presents to scrappy while the Grentches are stuck, is using the exploit. Because, they are not being chased and can take their time running to him --(bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits).
Key word... BENEFITS

well thats where you and i differ. i think instead of crying about how their lives are ruined they should just go to another district . But what if the present nazis were in every district? hmmm.. Then i would think of it as payback for all the local spam of leechers begging for question awnsers because theyre too lazy to do a web search and then i would sling out a bwahahaha. i myself have ways to farm a quick stack of plat. and buy what i need and let the grinders get the items for me that take a long time. but i could be wrong and if i am then tell me because im open minded and always appreciate enlightenment.

added: ok i just went and tested this present running thing and it sucks. bunch of lamers present camping and fighting each other for presents. im gonna go farm for 30 min and take the money i make from that and buy a stack of presents from someone thats spent days running for them.

send me a pm how many u want

KingKryton,
You owe me a few presents now. Remember my post here, and Dist12, pay up :P

Grasping Darkness,
I took your lack of informed comments on the presents and Scrappy Jhim subject to mean that perhaps you had missed the important information about the huge 'present running/ expoliting grentches debate'.
Clearly it's something else all together, Best of luck with your level of game play.

I dont know if it has been said in this thread yet, but if the people who holds the persents are stupid enoguh, invite them into your party then zone, that what i did today...

lol Knoll

This all sounds like outright war!

well i enjoyed present collecting, despite griefers i managed to collect 300+ present and sell em all for 1k each + a mini kuunavang i am yet to sell