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BSSuperman

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DISCLAIMER - I have no intuitive and comprehensive understanding of the game mechanics and how damage is calculated - these are just ideas thought up on a coffee break and if anyone so much as shows me maths and numbers to crunch, Ill scream like Zoidburg and blubber into a puddle of nerves. JUST DONT DO IT !!

(And if these ideas seem 'overpowered' then if someone can do the number crunching, why not suggest a more balanced version)

Oki looking over some recent (and maybe not so recent) threads it would appear that as a primary, Strength is kinda lacking with its inherent bonus. -(IMO it kicks buttocks) 1% armour penetration just seems to be rather skimpy when compared to the inherent bonuses of expertise, divine favour, soul reaping etc.

What I propose is, is to change the way Strength works. Instead of 1% armour pentration per level, just change it to x% chance to hit as 25% armour pentration (stacking) in order to really see some skills come into their own. Pentrating Chop becoming 50% armour pentration if pulled off correctly. /glee.

Also in order to make Strength actually seem like 'hey my Whammo has muscles bulging out of his ears' make strength have an inherent effect on conditions. Like for example - My HUGE Hulk of a Whammo Krushnargh the Allpowerful with 16 strength has just planted his axe firmly between your eyeballs and scored a deep wound. Surely this deep wound should (in theory) last longer than Weaknose the Impotent's pathetic tickle of a blow with his Strength of 3. Make the conditions last longer. Like +0.5 seconds per level of strength. This conditions being bleeding, weakness, deep wound and crippled. Thus making Strength actually have an all encompasing effect over the entire spectrum of attack skills that use conditions.

Shuuda

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29 Dec 2006 at 11:45 - 2

Strengh's effect is lacking, but there are a great range of skills in the attribute.

Redfeather1975

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29 Dec 2006 at 11:50 - 3

The passive effect itself is lacking, but it's made up by the number of skills available that really do help to round out and support any warrior build in a great number of ways.
If the passive effect was made a lot better, than skills would need to be moved or it might create a significant 'no-brainer' effect on making warrior skills (ei. always wanting 16 strength for every build).

Not A Fifty Five

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29 Dec 2006 at 11:52 - 4

saying warriors need a buff?

strength may be weak, but no need to help a good class' primary

Shadow Kurd

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29 Dec 2006 at 12:13 - 5

Strength is pretty the good,,, I think the rituals primary is pretty useless for anyone else than rits and necro's

Antheus

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29 Dec 2006 at 12:56 - 6

Extending conditions is just as worthless.
- Conditions are easy to remove in pvp, where battles are long.
- Mobs die at least twice faster than conditions last in PvE.
- There are classes which can spam useful conditions, such as AoE blind, max degen or dervish AoE effects.

At 16 strength, the damage increase is around 32%. At 10, it's 20%. That's not so bad. It's like second customization on a weapon, and applies to every hit (minus AP skills).

Granted, you could argue that that merely adds 1 point of damage in certain cases, but then again, should customization then be removed as well? It's worthless by this logic. Same for lightbringer title.

Not A Fifty Five

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29 Dec 2006 at 13:27 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Extending conditions is just as worthless.
- Conditions are easy to remove in pvp, where battles are long.
- Mobs die at least twice faster than conditions last in PvE.
- There are classes which can spam useful conditions, such as AoE blind, max degen or dervish AoE effects.

At 16 strength, the damage increase is around 32%. At 10, it's 20%. That's not so bad. It's like second customization on a weapon, and applies to every hit (minus AP skills).

Granted, you could argue that that merely adds 1 point of damage in certain cases, but then again, should customization then be removed as well? It's worthless by this logic. Same for lightbringer title.

at 16 strength that damage increase is about 10% lol strength only applies when using skills.

BSSuperman

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29 Dec 2006 at 13:34 - 8

Hey, hey hey hey!

I agree that the skills in the strength tree are pretty cool - but Im creating the thread for a discussion for more along the lines of the actual primary attribute itself.

Antheus

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29 Dec 2006 at 13:55 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

at 16 strength that damage increase is about 10% lol strength only applies when using skills.

I took it from here:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Armor_penetration

At 16 strength:
Against AL 60, the damage increase is around 20%.
Against AL 80 around 25%.
Against AL 100 around 32%.

That is, going by the estimate that damage is doubled for every 40 AL reduction.

The definition of what an attack is is a bit vague though: "damage-dealing attack"

Not A Fifty Five

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29 Dec 2006 at 13:56 - 10

well what I mean is, if you use something like gash, strength will apply, if you just whack your sword, it wont. so the majority of hits dont have strtength backing them up

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29 Dec 2006 at 14:03 - 11

As far as the actual primary attribute goes, Strength is not the most useful at face value. But, as others have pointed out there is a lot more to an attribute than just what it does - it's important to take into account the skills that are linked to that attribute as well. One could just as easily argue that the necromancer's Soul Reaping was less useful (in terms of PvP at least, where deaths are more limited and there's less of a chance that the necro will be in range of each death to get the inherent bonus). But then looking at the skills linked to it, it's not as useless as it might first appear.

Although one possible idea for Strength is to add a small health increase with it. Dervishes already get a health bonus thanks to their armor, so why shouldn't Strength offer a comparable health bonus? Or maybe a health bonus with a corresponding energy penalty (as brawn starts to override brains)?

warriorsmiley

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29 Dec 2006 at 14:04 - 12

If you want to test out the primary attribute go to the isle of the namless and hit the 60al targets with wildblow and the 3 warrior weapons at 16 for each, since it ALWAYS Scores a critical you well get the same damage all the time. First you hit it with 0 strength and then you hit it with the normal strength you as a warrior would run (which is around 8-9 for me) and see how much added damage it gives you that would be the true test of the attribute. I personally dont ever see a reason to run high strength for the added armor penetration you will more then likely get more damage by pumping your weapon attribute up. While the skills in the line are pretty good and useful itself as a primary isnt as good.

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29 Dec 2006 at 14:08 - 13

Strength may be weaker than some, but warriors have enough other advantages to make up for it.

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29 Dec 2006 at 14:40 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by warriorsmiley

I personally dont ever see a reason to run high strength for the added armor penetration you will more then likely get more damage by pumping your weapon attribute up. While the skills in the line are pretty good and useful itself as a primary isnt as good.

There you go - this is why strength is always looked upon as the token primary attribute. Armour pentretation doesnt keep up with the damage dealt by higher weapon attribute.

Which is why it would be cool if strength actually did something other than 1 point armour penetration.

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29 Dec 2006 at 14:49 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by warriorsmiley

I personally dont ever see a reason to run high strength for the added armor penetration you will more then likely get more damage by pumping your weapon attribute up. While the skills in the line are pretty good and useful itself as a primary isnt as good.

There you go - this is why strength is always looked upon as the token primary attribute. Armour pentretation doesnt keep up with the damage dealt by higher weapon attribute.

Which is why it would be cool if strength actually did something other than 1 point armour penetration.

I mean c'mon - at higher levels your using upto 13 then 14 then 15 (or even 16 :gasp

attribute points to get 4 more measly armour pentration - and even then you're not even looking at the intrinsic bonus of strength you trying to get longer charge/sprint time. Or longer time in stances.

With my MM i make sure that he has minimum 10 soul reaping to ensure that he has enough NRG to bring up another servitor. I dont even have any Soul Reaping skills. . . . . . all 2 of them.

Winterclaw

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29 Dec 2006 at 19:21 - 16

BSS, the inherent bonus isn't all that but with NF strength gets some really nice skills that make me rethink not using it much.

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29 Dec 2006 at 22:05 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Extending conditions is just as worthless.
- Conditions are easy to remove in pvp, where battles are long.
- Mobs die at least twice faster than conditions last in PvE.
- There are classes which can spam useful conditions, such as AoE blind, max degen or dervish AoE effects.

At 16 strength, the damage increase is around 32%. At 10, it's 20%. That's not so bad. It's like second customization on a weapon, and applies to every hit (minus AP skills).

Granted, you could argue that that merely adds 1 point of damage in certain cases, but then again, should customization then be removed as well? It's worthless by this logic. Same for lightbringer title.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember a post in an old thread about vampiric versus sundering saying that Strength wasn't really armor penetration...It's more like it just adds damage based on what the target's armor WOULD be, and then that damage is itself mitigated by armor...If anyone could confirm/deny this, thanks.

Oh, and strength doesn't apply to every hit, just every skill hit.

Hand of Ruin

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29 Dec 2006 at 22:24 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

BSS, the inherent bonus isn't all that but with NF strength gets some really nice skills that make me rethink not using it much.

Skills are just a quick-fix, the attribute it's self should be addressed. IMO, it should be something like "1.5% armor penetration when fighting in melee".

That would make it worth putting points into.

shardfenix

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29 Dec 2006 at 22:31 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

saying warriors need a buff?

strength may be weak, but no need to help a good class' primary

Warrior is a crappy primary class, attribute wise. Even at 16% armor penetration (strength 16) you're only taking away 9 armor from a caster, which means your damage is being increased by 5%. So on your strongest attack skill, you are adding 6-7 damage tops at max strength.

The only advantage to warrior primaries are the strength skills, most of which are good, and the ability to put weapon proficiencies to rank 16.

NeHoMaR

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29 Dec 2006 at 22:48 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

The only advantage to warrior primaries are the strength skills, most of which are good, and the ability to put weapon proficiencies to rank 16.

What about 80 armor and shield?

BahamutKaiser

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30 Dec 2006 at 00:20 - 21

Strength applies more as a skill attribute rather than a boost to abilities, for some classes, their faster casting or energy return from deaths are some of the only features to their primary, with nearly no skills.

Beside that, Warrior features the highest armor, and adrenaline based skills, its unique advantages do not pivot on its primary use, the class has other pros which seperate the class from others.

A perfect comparison would be Assassin, who has increased critical, and energy return on critical as a primary attribute, and even has some good attack skills in this attribute as well, but when you compare other figures innate to the class the complete package isn't any better than warrior (worse IMO). It is a perfect example of how the Primary isn't the only advantage Warrior has.

Draxanoth

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30 Dec 2006 at 00:32 - 22

The argument about 16 STR giving bonus damage is pointless since you get more damage per point in weapon skill than STR. Last time I checked 15 weapon points even with the 20 sucking a large chunk outta the pool for 12/11/6 was better than doing 11 10 10. Sure you could go all weap and all STR, but to me, tactics seems to have more useful stuff as far as staying alive. Lion's comfort relies on both too. We should get an innate point of life regen or something since we get hosed on energy. Maybe conditions do 1 less degen? We're buff and studly, we should bleed less!

Not A Fifty Five

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30 Dec 2006 at 00:46 - 23

Well I always have weapon skill at 16 so the whole strength vs weapon skill is moot. 16 weapon and 3 strength is much better than say 15 weapon and 6 strength. However, 16 and 13 is worth considering if you can sacrifice heal sig

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30 Dec 2006 at 00:54 - 24

I agree that Strength needs to be upped to say 2% armor penetration. Seeing as I run a 16 point strength warior and Sentinals armor (100 armor points if your Strength is 13+), plus one of the best shields in the game (Eternal Shield with 16 armor points itself +30 hp and 5 points points of damage absorbtion), not much gets through while I can dish it out. The only problem with a Sentinal build s the weekess to conditons and elemental damage.

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30 Dec 2006 at 00:57 - 25

See, people keep comparing Strength saying that you can't link it to the skills it allows access to, but I think that the skills are precisely what makes Strength a great attribute line.

Let's look at the figures:
Strength: 34 skills total, 11 elites
Expertise: 18 skills total, 9 elites
Divine Favour: 23 skills total, 9 elites
Soul Reaping: 5 skills total, 3 elites
Fast Casting: 8 skills total, 4 elites
Energy Storage: 8 skills total, 6 elites
Critical Strikes: 17 skills total, 7 elites
Spawning Power: 20 skills total, 7 elites
Mysticism: 21 skills total, 8 elites
Leadership: 20 skills total, 5 elites

Ranking them in order of flexibility and exclusive access to a skill's potential, Strength is by far and away the winner. It's nearest competitor, Divine Favour, has access to 11 skills less than Strength and 2 less elites.

Strength really cannot be looked at purely for the inherent effects associated with it, you HAVE to take into account the skill diversity it gives you access too.
No other primary attribute skill line comes even close to matching Strength's variety.

Don't balance the attribute without considering what it gives you access to.

Also, with the release of Nightfall, it should have been obvious to most warriors out there that the Strength line had received some much-needed buffs. A lot of skills were introduced that took the place of ones more traditionally associated with Tactics, or at the very least, had warriors considering dropping Tactics a bit to put more back in to Strength.
Skills such as Enraging Charge, Flail, Lion's Comfort...

So, /notsigned.
Leave Strength the way it is.

Redfeather1975

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30 Dec 2006 at 01:02 - 26

You don't put points into strength for a good increase in dps.
You put points into strength for either the +13str armour.
Or to have extra melee attacks, such as 1/4 second for quick combos.
Or for the plethora of supplementary skills in the line.
The armour penetration buff is a little bonus.

There is no mesmer armour that increases with higher fast casting.
There aren't nearly as many mesmer skills in fast casting as in strength.
Yet I see people ranking fast casting better than strength.
Some people seem to be nit picking way too much.

The big picture is more important here.

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30 Dec 2006 at 01:53 - 27

I'm pretty sure strengh @ 16 doesn't give you +32% damage...

Maybe 5%, when using skills.

Crom The Pale

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30 Dec 2006 at 02:04 - 28

Though most might think this is way over the top id like to see stregth changes to more closely resemble Lightbringer.

ie: +1dmg on attack skills for each rank in strength, -1dmg vs physical attacks for each rank in strength.

Currently the majority of strength skills that people use are defencive like dolyak, defypain or sprint/rush. This would bring new life to skills like Power Attack that are currently not as effective as an attack skill in any weapon with attributes 16.

When Guild Wars first came out they said that Warriors were not the traditional tanks but were strong damage dealers, this would bring that back into being!

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30 Dec 2006 at 02:20 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Though most might think this is way over the top id like to see stregth changes to more closely resemble Lightbringer.

ie: +1dmg on attack skills for each rank in strength, -1dmg vs physical attacks for each rank in strength.

Currently the majority of strength skills that people use are defencive like dolyak, defypain or sprint/rush. This would bring new life to skills like Power Attack that are currently not as effective as an attack skill in any weapon with attributes 16.

When Guild Wars first came out they said that Warriors were not the traditional tanks but were strong damage dealers, this would bring that back into being!

They are already the most damage dealing class and do not need a buff.

Winterclaw

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30 Dec 2006 at 04:28 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

Skills are just a quick-fix, the attribute it's self should be addressed. IMO, it should be something like "1.5% armor penetration when fighting in melee".

That would make it worth putting points into.

Check out what Nexus said and use that as my rebuttal.

Skills may be a quick fix and not everyone has all the chapters, but it still is pretty good. And as BK said, strength is only one part of the warriors package. I only use strength normally as a place to put in left-over points so if you think about it that way, warriors are one of the few classes that can get by without a lot their primary skills. Try doing that as a heal/prot monk or an elementalist.

Crom The Pale

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30 Dec 2006 at 05:31 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deleet

They are already the most damage dealing class and do not need a buff.

I beg to differ but Elementalist, mesemers,necros and even smite monks can deal out more damage than most wars can.

Wars dish out long term stable dps, not high fast damage with the exception of maybe 2-3 skills. They can not spike as effectivly as most other classes and with new monsters having extreme power and only being killable with spikes this would help that out.

Keep in mind that melee attacks are still the easiest to defend against, this leaves wars at a huge disadvantage.
With all the new skills that let you blind, criple, hex and use stances to avoid attacks or enchants/skills to increase your armor a Warrior does little damage when compared to most other classes.

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30 Dec 2006 at 05:41 - 32

Strength maybe weak, but that doesn't make warriors weak. So STOP COMPLAINING.

BahamutKaiser

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31 Dec 2006 at 00:21 - 33

When you factor in the availablity of a shield with points in Stregth, and the option to wear armor with and additional 20 armor vs elemental damage with 13 points in strength, for a total bonus of 20 armor vs elemental damage and 16 defense shield with added features, it tallies out to alot of addition.

Strength offers 2% armor penetration on attack skills per point, added defense and effects with a shield, and added elemental defense over his already high defense with sentinal armor, as well as the best skill selection available to a primary attribute, with attack, defense, survival, retaliation, and movement skills all in one attribute.

This discussion is over.

The Muffen Man

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31 Dec 2006 at 00:45 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

When you factor in the availablity of a shield with points in Stregth, and the option to wear armor with and additional 20 armor vs elemental damage with 13 points in strength, for a total bonus of 20 armor vs elemental damage and 16 defense shield with added features, it tallies out to alot of addition.

Strength offers 2% armor penetration on attack skills per point, added defense and effects with a shield, and added elemental defense over his already high defense with sentinal armor, as well as the best skill selection available to a primary attribute, with attack, defense, survival, retaliation, and movement skills all in one attribute.

This discussion is over.

No the discussion is not over!
Warriors are kack and strength is jank I know Ive played warrior from the start and slowly but surely anet has been nerfing them into submition .
Warriors in pvp have effectively 80al because no one but the village idiot uses physical attacks against them.
Ive recently gone back to my sin and man now there is a melee killing machine,
before a warrior can say wtf Ive poisoned kded deep wounded an applied bleeding and used 4 attack skills with + damage on him and im off to my next target.
Also Strength: 34 skills total, 11 elites I can count on one hand how many useful skills there are and no one uses any of the strength elite.

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31 Dec 2006 at 01:19 - 35

I think strength has a lot of potential. I also think that there are a lot of warrior players out there who refuse to get all the skills and actually experiment with them to create their own builds. They may just put points into strength, open up the skill trainer window, read the skills' descriptions and that's about all they'll do.

Darkpower Alchemist

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31 Dec 2006 at 02:13 - 36

I run a strength of 10 on my warrior,so;

[skill=big]Defy Pain[/skill]

What makes the above skill better than;

[skill=big]Endure Pain[/skill]

+20 Armor? The elite isn't any better than its counterpart, but are they stackable? That would make the line scary.

[skill=big]Dolyak Signet[/skill]

And the farmer's best friend. These 3 skills make for a major tanking combo, but what of the attack skills?

[skill=big]Protector's Strike[/skill]

Who doesn't run from the warrior?

[skill=big]Bull's Charge[/skill]

Not my cup of tea,honestly, since I can't use a skill while running. But, what skill would you use?

[skill=big]Bull's Strike[/skill]

Are skills only counted if the description is marked as a skill, or does this count as a skill? Someone define "skill" for me, please.

Anyway, from what I have displayed, Strength's saving grace is its skills, which has been previously mentioned, but is that really enough? depends on your perspective,I imagine.

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31 Dec 2006 at 02:45 - 37

Endure Pain and Defy Pain are different. One is for offensive support, the other for defensive emergency. It's why one has no recharge and costs adrenaline and the other costs energy, but has a recharge. I think though that I misinterpreted what you were really asking about the two.

As for the strength melee attacks, I like them too in that they supplement any melee weapon beyond it's native attack skill set.
If you look at fast casting, which in another topic was being ranked higher than strength, you'd see in the average mesmer build that only left over points are thrown in FC. Mesmers really don't gain a big advantage from FC unless they are relying on FC skills. Speeding up mesmers already fast casts is not a practical use of the attribute points. I can't help but strength gives higher potential returns than fast casting, so I see that saying it is the weakest primary attribute is just not true.

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31 Dec 2006 at 02:49 - 38

What? Again this discussion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

I took it from here:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Armor_penetration

At 16 strength:
Against AL 60, the damage increase is around 20%.
Against AL 80 around 25%.
Against AL 100 around 32%.

That is, going by the estimate that damage is doubled for every 40 AL reduction.

The definition of what an attack is is a bit vague though: "damage-dealing attack"

EVERYONE READ THIS! ¬¬

You already get 100 armor and a shield as a warrior, and you STILL want to do more physical damage then a assassin?!?! Are you insane?!
Stop playing with swords because they deal avarage damage and play with hammers that deal badass damage and you will see big numbers popping on your screen.

Crom The Pale

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31 Dec 2006 at 02:55 - 39

This isnt a disscution of the Strength skills list, its about the primary attibutes inate bonus.

Yes there are a lot of great strength based skills, but then the same can be said for Divine Favor, but its inate bonus is HUGE compared to Strength.

Physical attacks by wars not using skills = 0 most of the time in the higher end areas.

Allowing strength to work on all attacks rather than just skills would be a good start to improving this.

All of the other primary attributes have a much more noticable effect and benifit than Strength, its just unbalanced.

Would you think the same was true of other primarys if they were equal to Strength..

Divine favour - 1 extra hp of healing per attribute point
Expertise - -1energy cost per 4 points
Fast casting - 1/4sec cast time for 4 points
Energy storage - 1 point of energy for each point
Soul reaping - 1 energy for each 4 points

The simple fact is that Strength is not balanced when compared to the other primary attributes, and it shoud be.

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31 Dec 2006 at 03:02 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

This isnt a disscution of the Strength skills list, its about the primary attibutes inate bonus.

Yes there are a lot of great strength based skills, but then the same can be said for Divine Favor, but its inate bonus is HUGE compared to Strength.

Physical attacks by wars not using skills = 0 most of the time in the higher end areas.

Allowing strength to work on all attacks rather than just skills would be a good start to improving this.

All of the other primary attributes have a much more noticable effect and benifit than Strength, its just unbalanced.

Would you think the same was true of other primarys if they were equal to Strength..

Divine favour - 1 extra hp of healing per attribute point
Expertise - -1energy cost per 4 points
Fast casting - 1/4sec cast time for 4 points
Energy storage - 1 point of energy for each point
Soul reaping - 1 energy for each 4 points

The simple fact is that Strength is not balanced when compared to the other primary attributes, and it shoud be.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but it's all about the big picture. Strength innate bonus and offensive skills are perfect supplements to axe, sword, hammer, scythe and dagger builds. The defensive skills are open to any type of build.
Divine Favor is not that broad it's specialized. It's innate bonus is only for monk skills cast on a target, it's innate bonus and skill set benefit practically no secondary skills. There also is no +AL for having high divine favor.
Questioning balance requires taking everything and anything that the attribute affects into consideration.
If all the warriors out there say they would rather have strength specialized then maybe Anet will move some of the strength skills to tactics, hammer, ect... change them from melee attack to specialized attack so that they can only be used when wielding the appropriate weapon and also take away the +AL armour option?