Update the Canthan Targe!

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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The Canthan Targe is a shield that came with the presale for prophicies, but unlike all other presale items its not max and it is the only item in the entire game that has multiple requirements to use.



My sugestions are one of two changes.

1) Armor increased to 16 req 9 tactics
Drop req for 30hp bonus

2) Armor increased to 16 req 9 tactics
Increase energy bonus to 5

Given all of the requirements for the bonuses on this shield either of these would be much more practical than its current setup.
Note the energy can't stack as they removed that bug long ago.

Not A Fifty Five

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Creating guild

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
The Canthan Targe is a shield that came with the presale for prophicies, but unlike all other presale items its not max and it is the only item in the entire game that has multiple requirements to use.



My sugestions are one of two changes.

1) Armor increased to 16 req 9 tactics
Drop req for 30hp bonus

2) Armor increased to 16 req 9 tactics
Increase energy bonus to 5

Given all of the requirements for the bonuses on this shield either of these would be much more practical than its current setup.
Note the energy can't stack as they removed that bug long ago.
You're complaining? can I buy that? lol

mrmango

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

It isn't the only weapon w/ multiple req.s. But you have a good point.
But point 2 is way overpowered compared to point 1. >_>

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Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

I would like them to update the skin...

Hand of Ruin

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

Is this whole thread an attempt to brag about your zodiac sword?

alarico511

alarico511

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Da Dark Dragon

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Is this whole thread an attempt to brag about your zodiac sword?
lol i bet he is, but then how much for that sheild!!

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Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

Shield isn't tradeable...look under the modifiers it has.

atkafighter

atkafighter

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

I don't have one of these, but like the GOTY items at least they are maxed, and have somewhat desireable stats. I think maxing it, and removing the req for the 30hp is fair. It wouldn't make it a godly item, but more useful than it is in its current state.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

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For the record there are I think 5 prophecies preorder items, none of which are max. The reason they were made that way, was because at the time, having a max weapon could have been potentially unbalancing. Nowadays of course it's not, which is why the more recent preorder items have been max. I have no problem if ANet wants to update the items, but at the same time, it's no skin off my nose if they don't.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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No this post has nothing to do with the sword, guess I should have equiped a collectors one instead....

yes the second option is a little over powered but it does maintain 3 requirements to get all the bonuses, I think that could justify the extra energy.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

the 7th level of HELL! J/K Somewhere in GW assassinating things

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meh...there are so many other things they need to improve before even CONSIDERING improving a shield that was released a LONG time ago. It's just not a too important...sorry

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

The prophecies pre-order items are in long need of a rebalancing.

Quid Pro Quo

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

/signed

Except for maybe the energy for balance.

Kong

Kong

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

It will never happen and i'm not sure it's needed.

I have the Ithas Bow on my account. The stats on that are just as messed up. It's not max dmg, req 10 marks, has a +5 armor mod that has a req of 10 exp.

All of the Prophecies preorder items are the same way, not max dmg, not max mods, etc. It's not a matter of being unbalanced, it's a matter of Presearing Ascalon. Giving users max dmg and armor weapons in such an early area of the game would create unbalance.

Yes... you can get these times that early in Cantha and Elona... but that is a different system in which users can learn the mechanics of the game and is a greater challenge than anything you'll find in Presearing Ascalon.

Of course, one then has to consider the GotY Items for Prophecies. They ARE max dmg, and max mods. The only thing similar is that some of them also have multiple requirements. Are they creating an imbalance since they are available in Presearing Ascalon? You'd think if they were going to update the Prophecies Preorder items they would have done so when the GotY items were added.

I agree it would be nice if these preorder items were updated. Even though I have access to them, I'm just not entirely convinced it's needed. I do believe Anet has stated on numerous occasions that the Prophecies Preorder items will never be updated and forever shall remain as is.

If anything were to be done to these items, including the GotY items, I would suggest Anet make them modable again.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

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Ithas bow was actually tweaked to not require exp for the armor bonus

Kong

Kong

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by dargon
Ithas bow was actually tweaked to not require exp for the armor bonus
Hmm... I never noticed.

Helcaraxe

Helcaraxe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

On top of a mountain

A Bad Moon Rising [Moon]

Me/Mo

I would love to actually be able to use my canthan targe... nowadays its just pointless

Not A Fifty Five

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Creating guild

Mo/

hehe sorry to get off topic, but do these items come precustomized? I'd totally wanna go post a WTB thread for one in trade section

Kong

Kong

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five
hehe sorry to get off topic, but do these items come precustomized? I'd totally wanna go post a WTB thread for one in trade section
All Preorder items and GotY items are precusomized, cannot be put into Trade windows and can not be dropped on the ground.

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five
hehe sorry to get off topic, but do these items come precustomized? I'd totally wanna go post a WTB thread for one in trade section
Of course they do, show me where else you can customize a shield

Nexus Icon

Nexus Icon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Natis Ignigena

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kong
All of the Prophecies preorder items are the same way, not max dmg, not max mods, etc.
There's one Prophecies pre-order item that was "max"; the Chimeric Prism.
Granted, for all other classes except warrior, it gave pretty crappy bonuses, but for a warrior, it gave +16 armour like a shield and +5e.
I still use it to this day when I'm running high energy warrior builds. There's no shield or focus out there that will do the same job.

Kong

Kong

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Icon
There's one Prophecies pre-order item that was "max"; the Chimeric Prism.
Granted, for all other classes except warrior, it gave pretty crappy bonuses, but for a warrior, it gave +16 armour like a shield and +5e.
I still use it to this day when I'm running high energy warrior builds. There's no shield or focus out there that will do the same job.
In that sense, acting like a shield, yes it's max with a nice low requirement.


http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Chimeric_Prism

But it's not really a shield. For that reason alone, I don't consider it to be max.

And yes, even though when you met the req for some of the +e bonuses you are getting the max +12e, it's still not a standard off hand and you do not get max with ALL of them.

Edit...

Added pic from guildwiki, if that was wrong mods feel free to remove it.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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OMG....I'd have moved to Europe if I could have gotten that item!!

Tell there is a ballance where an offhand has more armor than a shield and better energy.....

This is why they need to upgrade all of the preorder items, increasing some and decreasing others...

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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Seems fair to me; it's the only shield where you can get 14 armor, 30 hp, and 2 energy all in one.

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Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kong
In that sense, acting like a shield, yes it's max with a nice low requirement.


http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Chimeric_Prism

But it's not really a shield. For that reason alone, I don't consider it to be max.

And yes, even though when you met the req for some of the +e bonuses you are getting the max +12e, it's still not a standard off hand and you do not get max with ALL of them.

Edit...

Added pic from guildwiki, if that was wrong mods feel free to remove it.
God damn, I want one of those now. Anyone have a key they like to sell to me?

jenkinsbrucec

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2006

agies ascending

Mo/

that sword was a nice gift