what do you think for a warrior primary?
frenzy: requires 5 energy - for 8 seconds, you attack 33% faster, but take double damage
flail: requires 4 adrenaline - for 5-13 seconds (strength), you attack 33% faster, but move 33% slower.
both can be easily cancelled with another stance
frenzy, focused fire is death.
while flail, the foe walks away and you become trapped.
i vote flail. anyone else?
Flail Vs. Frenzy
Xeones The Great
Tingi
There is a simple answer:
For PvE - Flail is king
For PvP - Frenzy is king
Simple as that
For PvE - Flail is king
For PvP - Frenzy is king
Simple as that
kvndoom
Flail can work in PVP if you have a decent snare. Crippling Slash would be a good skill if it weren't elite. As an elite, I'd put it with Keystone Signet or Dwarven Battle Stance in the trash bin.
There's definitely no contest when it comes to PVE. Flain is a tank's dream come true. And there's Rush, so the foe doesn't walk away. Instead you run him down and thwack him in the back for a guaranteed critical hit.
There's definitely no contest when it comes to PVE. Flain is a tank's dream come true. And there's Rush, so the foe doesn't walk away. Instead you run him down and thwack him in the back for a guaranteed critical hit.
Arkantos
Flail is more spammable then frenzy, as it requires adrenaline. With frenzy, you have the risk to be spiked for double damage. With flail, if your target isn't snared it's pretty useless. I still like running frenzy tbh.
The Last Cruzader
I use Flail in PvP only when I have a snare, like "Your All Alone!".
The Last Cruzader
I use Flail in PvP only when I have a snare, like "Your All Alone!".
The Muffen Man
Also dont forget flail is no good for spiking with other adrenaline skills because as soon as you hit flail it eats into the adrenaline pool requiring you to hit one more time.
Xeones The Great
so whats better in this HA build?
shock
eviscerate
executioners strike
crit chop
flail/frenzy
sprint/rush/enraging charge
bulls strike/distracting blow
rez sig
tell me what to run plz, thx!
shock
eviscerate
executioners strike
crit chop
flail/frenzy
sprint/rush/enraging charge
bulls strike/distracting blow
rez sig
tell me what to run plz, thx!
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HA should use Frenzy as to not let the monks kite you.
Now if it was FoW than you'd bring flail
Now if it was FoW than you'd bring flail
Jeff Highwind
Yea, I agree with Flail being PvE only. I've had trouble with kiting in PvE as well and unless you have knockdown or a snare you pretty much get irritated when the enemy monk strolls off.
Mesmer in Need
any good monk kites, and without a snare while using flail, your dead in the water. plus, with frenzy you have ias on demand, whereas if you use flail you need adrenalin.
The Ernada
Flail is horrible for PVP, even if you bring a snare. You've basically neutralized your own snare because you're walking limpfooted as well and your target is STILL kiting you.
Xeones The Great
so i guess its frenzy
but what should i bring as cancel stance?
but what should i bring as cancel stance?
The Last Cruzader
Maybe rush,sprint, or enraging charge for the cancel stance.
Randomway Ftw
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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
so i guess its frenzy
but what should i bring as cancel stance? Sprint or Rush.
but what should i bring as cancel stance? Sprint or Rush.
Tingi
go dash!!! 
The Muffen Man
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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster
go dash!!!
Yes dash is excellent and synergies well with frenzy
Yes dash is excellent and synergies well with frenzy
Jeff Highwind
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Originally Posted by The Muffen Man
Yes dash is excellent and synergies well with frenzy
Now that I think about it, it goes well cancelling Flail as well.
Muk Utep
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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster
There is a simple answer:
For PvE - Flail is king
For PvP - Frenzy is king
Simple as that Yeah, pretty much. Frenzy is fine in PvP both because you usually won't be targeted much anyway, and because you can't afford to snare yourself with Flail. In PvE, you'll probably get attacked some (or a lot, depending on how you play) and the lowered movement speed won't matter so much, so Flail is the way to go.
For PvE - Flail is king
For PvP - Frenzy is king
Simple as that Yeah, pretty much. Frenzy is fine in PvP both because you usually won't be targeted much anyway, and because you can't afford to snare yourself with Flail. In PvE, you'll probably get attacked some (or a lot, depending on how you play) and the lowered movement speed won't matter so much, so Flail is the way to go.
warriorsmiley
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Originally Posted by Muk Utep
Yeah, pretty much. Frenzy is fine in PvP both because you usually won't be targeted much anyway, and because you can't afford to snare yourself with Flail.
Why you dont get targeted much in PVP as a warrior you do get targeted often because of frenzy. Now 2 seasons ago when my guild made the run to top 100 we most frequently killed frenzy'd warriors more then we killed casters. Reason being warriors are a huge source of damage in GVG and having your warrior with HP in the 300's im pretty sure he/she isnt going to use frenzy as much or at all because he/she would be so suspectable to a spike. While frenzy is good in the hands of a SMART warrior it isnt as good in the hands of every warrior. Miss those 140 damage eviscerates on warriors =p.
Back on topic yeah in pve I tend to use flail and sprint or flail and dash if im W/A. Now in PVP if your a smart enough warrior use frenzy and I prefer rush as my cancel or like I said before dash if im W/A, but if you feel your not going to be as good or careful when using frenzy and your only going to use it to aderaline dump on a spike use Burst of Aggression.
Back on topic yeah in pve I tend to use flail and sprint or flail and dash if im W/A. Now in PVP if your a smart enough warrior use frenzy and I prefer rush as my cancel or like I said before dash if im W/A, but if you feel your not going to be as good or careful when using frenzy and your only going to use it to aderaline dump on a spike use Burst of Aggression.
Xeones The Great
ok thx again, so frenzy and sprint or frenzy and rush?
dantheman5415
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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
ok thx again, so frenzy and sprint or frenzy and rush?
I like frenzy and rush; rush costs 4adren which can usually be obtained in much less than 20 sec (sprint's recharge) so frenzy can be used safely more.
Effigy
Choice between Sprint and Rush really depends on your build. If you're running an exhaustion skill like Shock, or you have 3+ other energy skills, then I'd go with Rush. If you don't use exhaustion and you have less than 3 other energy skills, Sprint is probably better because it will be available immediately instead of having to charge it up. Another good thing about Sprint is that you can use it to cancel Frenzy after your spike, even if you used your adrenaline.
Xeones The Great
lol effigy, ur icon... i guess you like frenzy. and again my build is:
shock
eviscerate
exec strike
crit chop
frenzy
sprint/rush
bulls strike
rez sig
so, which is better? u said if i carry shock, i should go with rush, but what if im, say, blinded and i cant charge rush, thats the only thing im worried about. just give me opinions plz, thx.
shock
eviscerate
exec strike
crit chop
frenzy
sprint/rush
bulls strike
rez sig
so, which is better? u said if i carry shock, i should go with rush, but what if im, say, blinded and i cant charge rush, thats the only thing im worried about. just give me opinions plz, thx.
warriorsmiley
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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
so, which is better? u said if i carry shock, i should go with rush, but what if im, say, blinded and i cant charge rush, thats the only thing im worried about. just give me opinions plz, thx.
Your not suppose to activate frenzy till rush is charged anyway. Its the same as if you activated frenzy and sprint is recharging your asking for your own problems doing things like that. Thats the reason why I said it takes a smart warrior to use frenzy.
Xeones The Great
lol. ok, thanks a lot, especially to warriorsmiley. all questions answered.m
warriorsmiley
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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
lol. ok, thanks a lot, especially to warriorsmiley. all questions answered.m
No problem as long as you know your cancel stance is ready and your not getting hit on use frenzy but just be cautious of other warriors heading toward you and casters casting looking at your direction when you use it.