So when are us Castellans going to be able to get Spearmarshal?

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

What is taking them so long? Its 2 months since the release of Nightfall and not a single solution to rank 8 Sunspear been the dead end of the title has been seen.

How hard can it possibly be to sort out? And if they have a reason for not doing it 'just yet', what the f*ck is it? Because it sure as hell isn't a good one.

CagedinSanity

CagedinSanity

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Away from you.

W/

I JUST read on Guildwiki that priests and such will stop giving us contracts at rank 8.
Which sucks, but I'm still happy I got there. Just a couple hours ago.

ericdanie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Tribo dos Reis [TdR]

R/

Gaile said they had a new idea. There is a huge leap from an idea to see it programmed and ready for TESTING, and then to finnaly go to live servers. Don't forget they're also working on the completely new GvG and 1v1 (HERO BATTLES) automatized tournament system and ladder.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Does that mean i have to do something more tedious than return the habitants of the Desolation to the afterlife over and over?

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

It means you can expect a solution by the time the next chapter comes out.

I'd love a quick solution though, I hate seeing a title that I *can* max out, not maxed out.

AiLLUSION

AiLLUSION

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

btw you cant get r9 anymore, you dont get sunspear pts for rezz'd monsters now.

Dragonious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hot Springs, AR

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/W

God am I glad that I got mine early though I sadly have to farm 43k more LB points lol.

BoredJoe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

r9 SpearMarshall will probably be something annoying like a quest/area that you are given after you have beaten the Elite Mission. It just seems too easy to get otherwise.

winkgood

winkgood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

GoL

R/

I don't know why they have to make such a big deal of this. The simple solution would be to allow npcs in torment to give sunspear points for kills. Not being able to max a title is just plain stupid. Especially a worthless title like sunspear that just sits on my title bar unmaxed and doing nothing.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

They said its pushed back because they are rethinking the progression and uses of the titles, or some BS like that. (Which means when they do update it, it'll likely not just be a way to get Sunspear Marshel level, but a revamp of the title :\)

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Would like this title to start my Kind of a Big Deal title...

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Well just think atleast your rank8 at something

ubermancer

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

******************* Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by xiaotsu
It means you can expect a solution by the time the next chapter comes out.
Which, in turn, will have its key feature's completed by (or on) the release of the chapter after that.

seut

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

It will come with the same patch as the promised alternative access method to the Factions elite missions...

TideSwayer

TideSwayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

We Farm Your [?????????s]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
They said its pushed back because they are rethinking the progression and uses of the titles, or some BS like that. (Which means when they do update it, it'll likely not just be a way to get Sunspear Marshel level, but a revamp of the title :\)
Good. ANet really needs to raise the per-kill Lightbringer point limit. That damn title progresses waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow. It's only 2 per kill even in the Realm of Torment. By the time you get the damn title you can't even upgrade it without wasting a LOT of time doing so.

Most people I talk to, or puggers I join up with in groups, aren't even bothering at this point. It sure would be nice to have more people with built-up LB Gazes for some of the missions, but I can't really blame them for not wanting to bother with 2 pt-per-kill LB hunt nonsense.

They should make it at least 4 pts per kill, or maybe even 7 like the Sunspear title hunts in later areas.


FWIW, the Sunspear title is pretty much worthless after 2500, and now you only even need that one if you're using an Elonian-native character. That raises to 7 per kill in later areas, but Lightbringer stays at a lowly 2. 2! Yay - let's speed-level a useless title while keeping the one that actually matters in the endgame slow as molasses.

All in all, I'd be satisfied if they just sped up the progression of the LB title. Don't really need those "final" levels or whatnot.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

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probably when all the other pvp updates wiht the tournament gvges, the wintergreen weapons and all the other things are implemented, so will spearmarhsall (Mid January???)

ValaOfTheFens

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

Castellan wasn't very hard to attain. Spearmarshal looks like it will take longer than my interest in NF can sustain. *lol* They'd have to make areas where priests gave you blessings worth 15 or more Sunspear promotion points per kill and it would still take an ungodly amount of time to attain.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

the Gaile quote
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10083642
Quote:
Max Ranks for Sunspear/Lightbringer -- As it turns out, the designers have developed another cool idea that may tied to the max titles. Trust me, this idea is cool (and something that has been requested).

So, the max titles will not be in Friday's (12/01) update, to allow time to consider how this new concept will work out. One or both of the max titles may simply be enabled in a standard update in the near future, or the max may be offered a bit later, if it is tied to this new concept.

As you know, we're always looking at ways to add to the game, and let's just say that this week's update will not be the last one that we see -- not by a longshot!

Mr_T_bot

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

The addition to be able to max out title is supposed to sound like some special gift to the players instead of a late fix to a problem that never should have been in the game in the first place.

natuxatu

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

Still while they come up with this "cool new idea" they could still let us progress...

Menzoberranzan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Australia

Celestial Order

I like "cool idea", I just hope it won't be something too high endish.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
And if they have a reason for not doing it 'just yet', what the f*ck is it? Because it sure as hell isn't a good one.
The only reason I could possibly think of is Reconnects and the Party Search. That and all of the changes to the PvP formats. Granted I don't see how it would be so difficult to simply allow the priests to keep giving us blessings when as you mentioned the title just doesn't do anything.

logan90

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens
Castellan wasn't very hard to attain. Spearmarshal looks like it will take longer than my interest in NF can sustain. *lol* They'd have to make areas where priests gave you blessings worth 15 or more Sunspear promotion points per kill and it would still take an ungodly amount of time to attain.
You call 4-5 hours ungodly? Thats how long it would take to get from R8 to R9 roughly. It doesnt take long. 7500 points is only 1072 kills. And in case you don't know, the gap between Castellan and Spearmarshal is the same between 0 and Castellan, which you just said wasn't very hard to get... Unless they change the amount required for Spearmarshal, or add more ranks. I was actually expecting the title to require 100,000+ to max out before NF was released.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by logan90
You call 4-5 hours ungodly? Thats how long it would take to get from R8 to R9 roughly. It doesnt take long. 7500 points is only 1072 kills. And in case you don't know, the gap between Castellan and Spearmarshal is the same between 0 and Castellan, which you just said wasn't very hard to get... Unless they change the amount required for Spearmarshal, or add more ranks. I was actually expecting the title to require 100,000+ to max out before NF was released.
I never understood that... Spearmarshal is a total of 2143 enemies killed under a 7point bounty. Plus loads of quests that give 100. These mobs are also numerous and easy to kill in wurm form.

Lightbringer on the other hand... the max bounty is 2... leaving us to slaughter 25000 enemies under the bounty. Why the hell are the enemies in the Domain of Secrets ranked bountywise equal to the enemies in the Domain of Anguish!? The last time i checked things in the Domain of Secrets didn't hit for 200-400 damage without breaking a sweat.

I couldn't care less if they boost the title slightly, just aslong as we can actually max it.

Tetris L

Tetris L

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Germany

Servants of Fortuna

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
As it turns out, the designers have developed another cool idea that may tied to the max titles. Trust me, this idea is cool (and something that has been requested).
I do trust you that the idea is cool and all, but quite frankly I'd expect the designers to think through such essential questions before the release of the game. There is nothing wrong with a bit of tweaking after release, but releasing the game with such an important feature missing completely makes the game smell badly "rushed".

Venus was her name

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Cornwall, UK

W/N

why are people defending anet? they have clearly missed something out of a game you all payed for, thats absolutly despicable.

if they cant be bothered to finish their game then dont release it.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

^ Que Eff Tee to Tetris.

BladeDVD

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Hawaii

Clan Of Elders

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I think the "cool idea" is related to a change in how the skill hunter titles work. They're going to make it maxable and individual to each campaign.

And the titles are just for fun really, and don't have a significant effect on the game (I believe you get hero points for each rank in the sunspear and lightbringer titles), so you can hardly say that you haven't gotten your money's worth from Nightfall because of this.

Mr_T_bot

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Venus was her name
why are people defending anet? they have clearly missed something out of a game you all payed for, thats absolutly despicable.
You should read some of the idiotic stuff Anet fan boys say. I saw a post here just the other day that said Arena Net deserves our money.

Quote:
if they cant be bothered to finish their game then dont release it.
Games are constantly released unfinished, but I have only seen Arena Net act like adding things into the game that should have been in the initial release is a gift to the players.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot
Games are constantly released unfinished, but I have only seen Arena Net act like adding things into the game that should have been in the initial release is a gift to the players.
Blizzard did the same thing with Battlegrounds ...

Battlegrounds was missing from WOW at release and announced as a *new* game feature 8 months later
- as opposed to a DELAYED game feature

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

I got Castellan on my ele, so right now I play my other characters that haven't gotten it.
It's a shame really, since I love my ele.

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

It's not even as if there's a valid reason for stopping people earning spearmarshall. Oh no, a KoaBD point! That spearmarshall is so much better than me because of his title that I may as well resign now!

I'm not saying that titles suck, because I would like spearmarshall and the KoaBD point - but I would like some chocolate too, and the corner shop doesn't force me through an assault course to get a bar.

Paperfly

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Especially a worthless title like sunspear that just sits on my title bar unmaxed and doing nothing.
It nominally affects the amount of energy regained when you res someone with your Sunspear Rebirth Signet. That's a genuine gameplay consideration, which puts the title in a different philosophical class to, say, Drunkard.

(have I mentioned recently how much I hate the Rebirth signet? FFS ANet, you should have given it the same restrictions as a regular Rebirth - energy loss, skill blackout - and made it a genuine cross-class skill!)

Family Draconis

Family Draconis

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

Draconis Guards

R/

I have to be completely honest here. It might just be the worst possible idea that the folks at anet have come up with so far to not be able to max out this title. As soon as I was within reach of this, they pulled the brass ring just outside of my reach and now I have to wait for them to drop the ladder before I can begin my climb back up.

I say we just cross our fingers and hope that they get their a$$es in gear soon and fix all of the bugs in the game. I have noticed a bunch more things that I'd like to see changed, LB rank system included. Hopefully Gaile will give us an update soon.

/fingerscrossed

thedork01

thedork01

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

All over the place

Broken Circle

E/Me

I hope they make it difficult to get. Its one thing to have a title as easy to get as the sunspear title, but to be able to max it so easily as by just farming in DoA? It's like a free title. To max wisdom you need to get 10,000 gold ids. Thats 50 million gold if you go about it the cheap way and buy them at 5k each. If you actually get it by getting gold drops, it would take years for a casual player. I'm ok with having titles that are easy to get, but not max titles.

Blackhawk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetris L
I do trust you that the idea is cool and all, but quite frankly I'd expect the designers to think through such essential questions before the release of the game. There is nothing wrong with a bit of tweaking after release, but releasing the game with such an important feature missing completely makes the game smell badly "rushed".
Or "not cool"

I wont hold my breath for this latest "cool idea" as I reckon it's going to be a half baked attempt to try to get more people into DoA as you'll probably only get rewards there.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

As long as it doesnt involve the Domain of Anguish,I'll be happy.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Solution:

Give out sunspear points for the first ingame challenge.
Give out lightbringer points for the second and third ingame challenge.

Base it on kills or points.

1 sunspear/lightbringer points for every 1 point you earn.

Sorted. It would alteast incourage people to do the challenges, which have kinda died now.

Marth Reynolds

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

castellan was easy to reach, but i'm wondering how theyre gonna implement that cool way to get to marshal...

And A-net no we do not want to become ice vendors.... (Well ok perhaps what does it pay? )