About Chapter 1/2 Equipment and preorder weapons....

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

Will they EVER be upgraded to be inscribable?

Right now I've got a nice gothic sword and stuff I'd like to use an inscription or two on, can I do it? no

I got a batch of pre-order weapons that some even USED to be moddable, can I mod them AT ALL? no

It's kinda frustrating when this new thing comes along and won't work with previous aquisitions =(

Even ARMOR can't be done with insignias with chapters 1/2 =(


Any word somewhere I may have missed about them being upgraded, similar to the stat upgrade a while ago?

coleslawdressin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Victory on Demand [VoD]

Me/Mo

I agree that this is bull crap.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

A friend of mine also got a gothic defender and was pretty mad when he couldn't mod it. Considering it's hard to get with good stats x_x

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

Well, I'd love to have Prophecies/Factions armor inscribable, as well as my weapons. I hate having my bows with 15% enchanted

But, I don't see it happening, unfortunately.

Anphobia

Anphobia

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
A friend of mine also got a gothic defender and was pretty mad when he couldn't mod it. Considering it's hard to get with good stats x_x
Mad/Gutted about it. I really want this to be resolved!

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

what i want is the game of the year weapons to be upgraded.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

ITEMS will never drop inscribable because people who don't own Nightfall aren't allowed to unlock inscriptions. It would be easy enough to add 1 set of armor for each graphic w/ the ability to add insignias, but don't count on that being done either, even though a large number of players want it.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

Couldn't they even put in an NPC to add the ability to do this to aquired weapons/armor? -_-

Xethrion

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ka Tet of Gilead

Me/W

That would be the logical solution. Put an NPC in Kamadan or any of the NF towns to make the item inscribable for a fee. Heck, if you want to stop abuse of this by possibly salvaging out cheap inscriptions from collector items or some such, make it so that all mods on the item itself are destroyed when you make it inscribable, such that it becomes totally plain.

Unfortunately, the complexity of making such an NPC might be such that the devs don't really want to bother with it.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

Well what about this question

FUTURE chapters..........if inscriptions are going to be available there, it's kinda screwing the 2 older ones >_>

chicks boy

chicks boy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

No guild

A/E

They will make 1/2 chapter weapons/armor inscriptable... I just know it. ^^

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

Nope they not gonna, chapter 4 will not have inscriptable weapons either.
















Ps. heard that from the rabbit in pre-searing

Priest Of Sin

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

I want a full set of Glads... my FoW boots are Ascalon because of the OLD damage reduction thing. AND I BLOODY WANT OBSIDIAN IN THE NAME, DANG IT.

*regains composure*

coleslawdressin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Victory on Demand [VoD]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
ITEMS will never drop inscribable because people who don't own Nightfall aren't allowed to unlock inscriptions. It would be easy enough to add 1 set of armor for each graphic w/ the ability to add insignias, but don't count on that being done either, even though a large number of players want it.
What does unlocking have to do with anything?...... We are talking PVE here. I don't care nearly as much about weapons as I do armor. They went back and added it for FOW armor so they should be able to address every other armor in chapter 1.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by coleslawdressin
What does unlocking have to do with anything?...... We are talking PVE here. I don't care nearly as much about weapons as I do armor. They went back and added it for FOW armor so they should be able to address every other armor in chapter 1.
If an item is identified with an inscription, it's unlocked whether you want it or not. Anet would have too much trouble redoing their unlock system just to give people inscribable weapons in Tyria/Elona.

FoW is CORE, so they had to add a new version. They wouldn't have to do the same for any other armors, but Anet is much more likely to add the armors.

Paperfly

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

I'm still a bit annoyed at the fact that they stripped the condition-effect-reduction bonus from all Assassin armours to put them "in line" with the insignias system... And then didn't let us mod our old sets! I wouldn't have chosen a flat "vs. Blunt damage" mod, ANet!

...I can't even replace the armour portion (assuming I had the inclination to pay for 15K sets again) - they're using an old dye mix, so it's impossible to make them match.
Quote:
Anet would have too much trouble redoing their unlock system just to give people inscribable weapons in Tyria/Elona.
Er, why? Owners of the first two chapters get the equivalent mod unlocks automatically. It's only Nightfall-only inscriptions and insignias that need to be unlocked.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

It can't be difficult to do so, as I said they upgraded the old stats on armor from proph after factions came out.

Blackhawk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
FoW is CORE, so they had to add a new version.
For what it costs you should be able to upgrade previous sets as well, as not everyone wants or can afford to fork out for two sets of FoW on the same character if they want to use the inscription system or decided that the previous stats as someone stated earlier arent what they want anymore.

Why should the "veteran" players with the highest costing armour in the game who invested in FoW before NF have to collect everything all over again and go back into FoW all the time instead of just visiting the Rune Trader?

Luckily my FoW still does me fine without me needing to change anything, so it's a moot point with me, but that's not the case for a lot of players, and a-net needs to take that into account when borking some of the stats like with the Assassin.

Ashleigh McMahon

Ashleigh McMahon

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

North East England

WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld]

Mo/Me

I totally agree with the OP.

I hate getting a max damage sword with a nice skin, then realising it isn't inscribable.

Thibor

Thibor

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

A Circle of Ravens

W/

I agree with the OP. We arent asking them to drop new skins just make the weapons equal to the new ones. Could that be so hard? People need some incentive to play the old chapters and to recommend others to get them.

Uzul

Uzul

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Arctic Tundra

Pints N Quarts [PsQs]

I would like inscriptions and insignias on old weapons, but I don't mind not having it.
What I freaking want though is the ability to mod my preorder items like it used to be... No clue why that didn't get fixed by now.

Ashleigh McMahon

Ashleigh McMahon

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

North East England

WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld]

Mo/Me

Totally agree :P

The bonus items from the 'Game of the Year/Million Edition' should be modable aswell


Quote:
Originally Posted by Uzul
I would like inscriptions and insignias on old weapons, but I don't mind not having it.
What I freaking want though is the ability to mod my preorder items like it used to be... No clue why that didn't get fixed by now.

Raziel665

Raziel665

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

N/Mo

I'd have to say I like the NPC to inscribe Chapter 1 & 2 items best.

I doubt they add it in full for Prophecies and Factions, but this would be a good way to make sure people still buy Nightfall for it.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

They will update armor eventually.

They did this when factions was released.

I had just finished buying me 15k granit armor in tyria, and they JUST released factions with better elemental armor same time.

After a while, they updated the tyrian armor to be the same stats as canthan stuff. But any armor bought before that was out-dated and used the old stats.

It took about a year to finally have them update armor which was bought before the update. But they did do it eventually.

Demand states they let tyrian and canthan armor use insignias. They would be foolish not to.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
I had just finished buying me 15k granit armor in tyria, and they JUST released factions with better elemental armor same time.
That change was made because of balance; insignias don't disrupt balance of old armors. There's a very slim chance they ever go back to add blank sets to Tyria/Cantha.

Marth Reynolds

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

I would understand they letting us update our armor to inscripable ones, for a free perhaps.

But if they would allow our chapter 1 and 2 weapons to be updated to inscipable... then GW would loose some customers.

there are a lot of peeps who just feel good and godly because of theire "leet" weapons with perfect stats etc (chapter 1 and 2 items again)

and of course they would have wasted a lot of money if that would happen

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

Adding the ability to inscribe old armor would be rather easy and would not upset anything that I can see.

However as far as weapons/items go there is another problem. Right now you can pay 5k + crafting materials to acuire a max inscribable weapon/item.

On the flip side I can buy a max white weapon/item for about 200g

That means that the cost of making an item/weapon inscribable would be very high, 10k+, in order to prevent these crafters from becoming obsolete.

While I would still love that, most people could not afford to make more than a couple of items inscribable at that price. ie: your cattering to the rich.

The average player would likely never pay to make an item inscribable since buying an inscribable version of the same item would be cheeper.

The rich would just love being able to inscribe there Crystaline Swords and such.

In the end though id still like to see both changes happen!

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds
I would understand they letting us update our armor to inscripable ones, for a free perhaps.

But if they would allow our chapter 1 and 2 weapons to be updated to inscipable... then GW would loose some customers.

there are a lot of peeps who just feel good and godly because of theire "leet" weapons with perfect stats etc (chapter 1 and 2 items again)

and of course they would have wasted a lot of money if that would happen
Well sorry their vanity can't be appeased but some of us want a practical update.

Paperfly

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
However as far as weapons/items go there is another problem. Right now you can pay 5k + crafting materials to acuire a max inscribable weapon/item.

On the flip side I can buy a max white weapon/item for about 200g

That means that the cost of making an item/weapon inscribable would be very high, 10k+, in order to prevent these crafters from becoming obsolete.
Er, Nightfall whites aren't inscribable either. One would assume that they'd keep the same system if they extended it to the other chapters...

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

Really want a word in from Gaile about this, if possible

Mr_T_bot

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

No, and they don't need to be. Now, cut out da jibba jabba, foo'.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

1. I completely agree with the OP when it comes to armor. All chapters armor should be inscribable, as the armor is still purchaseable today.

2. I completely disagree with the OP when it comes to weapons, shields and focii. It's the same reason they issued new versions of the old holiday hats - people do not want their current possessions (i.e. Chapter 1 and 2 weapons) that they worked hard to get made worthless by a subsequent chapter.

There was a long debate on this subject in the Suggestion forum, but in short - many players strive for those "almost perfect" chapter 1 and chapter 2 weapons as a goal in the game. Those same players view inscribable weapons as not as desirable, and as a result, they aren't "goals" for those characters. So, A-Net's solution was very wise - allow inscribable weapons, but keep the old weapons intact (i.e. without inscriptions). It makes both camps happy.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
The rich would just love being able to inscribe there Crystaline Swords and such.
Completely disagree there - the "rich" who have almost perfect Crystalline swords would be devastated if the item they had as a goal to acquire in game became identical to one that was worth less than 1% of its current value.

Metanoia

Metanoia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Petition: Insignias available for Tyrian/Canthan armor

Good luck with this... You'll need it. I'm personally a PvP-character-user, and it took an ungodly amount of time before ANet got around to fixing the blatant advantage PvE characters potentially had over PvP-only characters (and 2/3rds of the grind, yay UAS* edition!).

*I think they left out Runes, Insignia, Weapon Mods just to spite TGH. Since this way it's technically not 'UAX'.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
Well sorry their vanity can't be appeased but some of us want a practical update.
Well, thats why greens exist right?

Hehe, just playing devils advocate there, but ya id love to be able to mod my previously owned items, it would be a very nice convenience, plus I could actually buy useful stuff with my money now.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
That change was made because of balance; insignias don't disrupt balance of old armors. There's a very slim chance they ever go back to add blank sets to Tyria/Cantha.
They already have blank 1.5k sets in Tyria and Cantha that are mod-less, just like there was a blank FoW set. They made the blank FoW set accept inscriptions; doing the same with the other armors wouldn't be so hard.

Amity and Truth

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

I guess by the time of release of chapter 4, there will be an option to inscribe all kinds of weapons that drop from then on. They did this with the storage too. Unless the inscriptions turn out to be some "Nightfall only" feature.
Sort of like the alliance system was exclusive to Factions.

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

For weapons:

While it would be awesome to have inscribable weapons in c1 & c2 (i.e get a phoenix blade with +20% while hexed and replace that with +5 energy), there would be yet another bunch of items that would lose their value in money.

Many players would be devastaded when their precious req8 gothic sword +5 energy/echovald shield/etc would drop in value especially when they have worked so hard for those items.

It would have been better to have that inscription option from start since implementing it now or in near future would obviously cause plenty of controversial feelings.

Personally I don't mind if it's added or not, but some will definately feel little bit cheated. I'm afraid that the later this kind of change comes, the more grief it'll bring.

Mr_T_bot

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
They already have blank 1.5k sets in Tyria and Cantha that are mod-less, just like there was a blank FoW set. They made the blank FoW set accept inscriptions; doing the same with the other armors wouldn't be so hard.
Except for the fact that it was only done in the Fissure of Woe because it is accessible to the Nightfall campaign. Try again.

Conn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

Pretty much every change to things already in the game was met with hostility and threats of leaving. Well the game is still being played. I certainly would enjoy the cries of anguish from those that feel slighted.