Why does everybody pick on Elementalists?

Every1 is always saying ele's are crap and arent all they are cracked up to be but don't put ele's down cause they are physically weak we make up for it in power and if you dont believe me your trying being an ele.

sure you may be good at it but if you are you will realise that it is fun at the same time, if your not so good you will appreciate that some ppl can handle the lack v health and armor and still kill as many enemies as the next person.

I just thought i would put that out there to stick up for all those ele's

Good on you for sticking up for those loathsome eles, but Im almost certain this isnt the right forum

I'm 110% certain this isn't the right forum.

I honestly don't know that this is the correct forum for this, and to that forum's moderators, I apologize. I didn't feel that this deserved deleting outright.

Eles ARE crap, now with the improved AI even in PvE they are crap.

PS : you might want to read this : http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s... nuking+sucks

(From a PvE Perspective) Why do some people put down Ele's? Because they're idiots. Same reason that some people put down Mesmers in PvE. There are NO useless professions in GW. In the hands of a competent player, in a competent group, any profession can help the party rip through enemies.

As far as soloing goes, I've only ever done it with my Warrior but I've seen in these forums solo builds for just about every class.

My first character was an Ele. And I still play him. If most players will just try them they might find out that the Elementalist is one of the most versitile professions in the game. Also if all these Elementalists were crap then why do most groups want at least one for almost every mission. I personaly find Nuking my way through missions rahter fun, ok they have crap for armor, but for sheer power and damage giving you can't beat a good Elementalist.

Mega Mouse

(My Elementalist is coming up on 2 years old now and still needed by even 2 old guilds that I used to belong to.)

You realize that's a verrrry old thread right?

Before Nightfall, the role of ele was pretty much Prodigy-HP spamming in PvP and Echo/Renewal MS in PvE(which wasnt very effective).

Now, with Searing Flames, Sandstorm, Stoneflesh Aura etc, eles have much more options in both PvE and PvP, and thus are a joy to play.

Yah the sad thing is the ppl using the pve tank builds in pvp..... theres no point, an E/D is gonna do what in AB? stand still and take over a shrine... hardly just more easy interrupts and another dumb dead fool.

I do know that,but you also know that all these new skills they have put in are just too much, eles used to suck, now they gave them a few skills that are so overpowered everyeone is using them, im expecting a huge skill change and im afraid most the godly nightfall skill that everyone is using will get nerfed so bad they will go to the unused bin.

Eles might stay with 1 or 2 decent skills and that will be it,after the nerf we will see how things really are and i didnt really put the link to show how bad eles are, that thread is just a good read.Sorry if it seemed like that was the idea.

Also about the ele hate, you gotta think of it in this way, you can have 8 people in your group 2 of them are gonna be monks 2 of them are gonna be warrior ( or atleast melee) people will want an interupter (ranger or mesmer) also they might want a trapper or spirit ranger ,for winter for example, they could just as easy carry it themselfs but no, they want a player that do only thing they care about is that he has spirit X.

Paragons are like ubergods in my opinion ( yeah yeah i might be making it bigger then it is, but its how i see them) i see them kinda like rangers cause of the ranger with monk skills and defense shouts, i mean wow thats 3 or 4 classes into 1.

But even after all this i still dont see this so huge ele hate that you are talking about i mean normally people think of a group ( especially pugs) they want 2 monk 2 wars 2 nukers and 2 whateverelse.

Also with the adition of heroes players have went into hiding when it comes to playing with other people, so basicly if your a monk, of course who woudnt want you.Eles might just not be at a priority cause players believe a hero ele can do as good of a job as a human ele ( yeah , they forget when the hero eles cast MS when the last target out of a group of 6 is at 10% hp)

People complain when eles do not do enough damage and complain when they do. How are we supposed to win exactly? There are counters to every build and when I take my mesmer into, say, Fort Aspenwood or another PvP area I just take Power Block...it shuts them down for 16 seconds giving me time to run away or the team to finish them off. Dervishes have Avatar of Melandru...Immune to conditions so an ele can cast searing flames on them and they wont even flinch.

Quoted for truth.

I was running a NF character back to Shing Jea. Sousuke used Meteor Shower on the level 0 Mantid Hatchling outside Seitung Harbor. >.<

Back on-topic...I play an ele myself...she's my first and favourite character. I generally have no problems getting into a group especially in Tyria and Cantha where it seems there are a surprising number of people who adopt an "I will not have heros in my group" policy - even if there are no monks around. Sometimes I get people telling me I'm not doing enough damage..."what? you think I blink and everything magically dies? evidently you don't see the numbers coming off my screen..." What annoys me more is when another player tells me what my build should be...I have learnt my lesson now...I nod and say yes then do what I want/know will work. As was the case with another ele who insisted I take Water Trident to interrupt spells...It knocks over a moving foe....if they're moving they aint castin spells.

Well,.. Ele's are excellent, and players are bashing them about them sucking in PvE because of a certain skill... searing flames > Haha, kidding. Anyways,

Elementalists are useful in every aspect of the game. I also noticed MANY new solo builds use sliver armor, or elementalist skills to farm large groups of monsters. They also own in PvP ... searing flames...

I rofled my toffle at that


About the overpowered part, its just the overall feeling right now, yes i also hate SF but im not saying nerf it to the litterbox, but i didnt get the impresion you were mad at me, just using my post to explain your opinions.


Water Trident for interupting skills :[

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Waitaminutetherebuddy! I thought at the meeting we all agreed to hate wammos!
Anyway, besides the overdramatics of your post, I honestly haven't seen much ele hate out there. Before NF I saw a lot of "ele's aren't strong enough" threads, but those seem to have disappeared(and I haven't gone looking). I personally enjoy having an ele on the team, as when I monk I get to sit back and watch the destruction from a good seat.

As for people not playing them because they are weak, for me it was a playstyle thing. I play monk and ranger, but I couldn't get into ele and mesmer(though I do eventually want to get those out of pre because I want the experience). I finally started a necro and I swear never to touch a warrior(don't have the mentality), but its all about the way I play. Not about the amount of armor.

But that's just my two cents

Eles rule... Simple as that.. I mean, what is more fun then burning things to a crisp?
I reckon eles were a bit underpowered at first, especially with the ai update in which AoE damage got kinda screwed.. But they got skills like sand storm and SF in return (nice deal..)
The paper they have on as armor is not really usefull, but a 80 armor ele would just be way to overpowered I enjoyed playing my ele like I enjoy playing all my classes. Every single class in GW has it's charm, you just need to figure out what it is ^^

I don't get the point, people don't think eles suck I don't get your whole point the only proffesion where everyone whines about is the assasin, they have a problem with getting groups.

Eles are fine

The thing is, for damage dealing, they're not what they are cracked up to be. Even in PvE. Searing Flames has revitalized them, and while I wouldn't really mind the skill getting looked at by Anet, any big change and you're back to spamming heal party.

Elementists are NOT craps...It's player behind them that's crap!

Elementist have 5 trees, but most players only use 2..

Eles own and win this game

I play a Monk and she gets a lot of guff from groups... Things like, "omg ur a 55munk arnt u n00b?" and "the only thing munks r goot 4 is meatshield lol."

Assassins have it worse than any class in the game, however. When I play on my Monk, I usually try and find at least one SinX to help out in a mission, because no one else will.

Anyways, yes. This is in the incorrect section. This needs to be moved or something.

Most of the posters in this thread need to learn how to read and do basic math.

90% of eles got boobs, they are good to look at but you cant rely on boobs to win missions. That's why some gay men and straight girls pick on eles, end of the story.

I agree with Felix on the Assassins :/ no one wants them. And it seems like the
Dervish's are getting the same treatment, no one wants them either! ;-;

gotta wonder

Sadly, this seems to be true. u_u

It's odd, since SinXs do so much damage to a single target. When in PvP, my Monk can usually last a good 10 seconds against a SinX. In PvE, I've seen a SinX take down a lone lvl24 in a matter of seconds like it was something to do.

Dervish have their own strengths as well. But what people fail to see is that these classes can only pwn if their team does their duty. A SinX cannot tank against 3 lvl20s... Just because Dervish have Mysticism does not mean the Monk doesn't have to heal them.

>.>

Okay. I'm done ranting.

You know why Ele's are wrong? It's the male ele's dance....really, that dance is just wrong!

My main character is an ele and I like playing him in the game. I don't have any trouble getting into groups either, even before SF.

Why does everybody pick on Assassins? Same question.

Elementalists suck?? Please. As long as people will associate the word 'nuking' with that class, the elementalist will always be taken into parties. Stop complaining.

You have to give this class some credit. It's faced more nerfs than any other class, and they're still popularly played.

Because using all 5 of them at the same thing would be bogus.




Also, ele's don't suck. Tell my ele who solo's uw, fow, titans and any other place that's farmable.

the only time I had problems getting groups was as an Assassin or Mesmer


which thanks to Heroes, is no longer a problem anymore

Try Stone Striker and Mantra of Earth if you take a beating (phys & ele damage reduced by 37 % with inspiration on 8), overpowered it is . Even gives you back free energy.

I've never had people picking on me because I was Elementalist.=D And I'm not even Fire (the most overused and overrated Element ever).XP

I think it's the "ZOMG THAT SOUNDS SWEEEET" feeling that seems to strike people when they think of Assassins and Dervishes. It sounds a bit wierd but I admit the word "Assassin" sounds cool...but I don't play one because I know hey have such a hard time. Same with Dervish...when the two new professions were announced everything was "WOW - DERVISH SOUNDS COOL!...oh yea..and paragons too". It's just something about it. When my friend first bought Factions he fell into the trap of thinking Assassins sounded cool only to find out they really weren't.

I confess I was one of those people who thought that Dervishes would be the "Nightfall Assassin"...Since I had been in a few groups with them I actually think they're ok...so I started one. Yes, sometimes it's hard getting into a group in Elona (although Tyria and Cantha are much easier)...so I just go with hench. The Grand Court of Sebelkah, I feel, is a pretty notorious mission but I managed it with hench first time. So I offer my services once or twice in a town....after that I load up with hench and go. There are still lots of Dervishes around but seem to be slightly less than when the game first came out...which is the reason I never created a Paragon or Dervish straight away.

No, I wasn't getting at you...but you do see a lot of people complaining eles are overpowered...but in my view it's not a bad thing even if they are.

...and Mesmers...and Wammos... Ok...so not everyone picks on wammos...only me I got really cross yesterday - I was playing as necro in a group for Abbadon's Mouth. We were 6/8 with no monk. The leader accepts a second Wammo and a Monk...the Wammo says "Kick a necro"...so I got kicked. I REALLY hate wammos.

Well, the community does seem to want them as a secondary gas station though. Before Nightfall they were just that and with the release of Nightfall that changed a bit. People don't like that (just look at all those "NERF THem ALLREAdY!" threads). They like the elementalist as an easy to pick, almost no danger at all, target (aka Blind Bitch).
Elementalists are insanely easy to shut down and unlike warriors their primary offers little to make up for the insane amount of weakness they were loaded with.

In PVE they suck even more. Casting 3 full seconds, losing 25 Energy, gaining Exhaustion and all to deal 19 AOE Damage and knock the foes down. Like... seriously. The problem here is armor. In a scenario where an elementalist COULD shine, he is severly gimped by the high armor and ridiculously high hitpoints of the AI.
If I have the choice of a fast casting mesmer that deals armor ignoring damage, can inflict a deep wound and gimps the enemy or a slow casting armor reliant elementalist. Well, all hail the mesmer.

I wouldn't say they suck, they can do more then just spam heal party and blind, they do weakness and KD as well, and all 4 in the same build as well if they have to. Theyre easy to shut down, yes, but new nightfall skills made them quite a bit more durable. Stuff like Searing Flames and Mystic Regeneration makes them quite a bit more dangerous. Strange enough I see hordes of people crying for a nerf of these particular skills. Do people want eles to be removed from the game or do they want them to be powerful? make up your mind because I completely lost it :P

As for nuking, nuking still doesn't suck, try to let zhed cast deep freeze while you cast MS at the same time, my idea of fun exactly. To it off with searing flames and you have a perfectly dead mob...

Becouse people want see big number and when they nuke with a fireball a jade bow ,with 100 armor against element, doing only 50 damage they say OMG ELE SUCK! even if to the mursaat monk nearby they did 100+ damage.

that is the true.

nuking dont suck in pve even before nightfall.

The thing is most people who rant Eles are over powered, forget that they have the lowest armour (joint with some other casters). Theres a Reason for this. There meant to Hit Hard while ebing Squishy so they are not overpowered. If u dropped there damage any further u would make them seriously underpowered since there AL Value doesnt suit there damage output.

Your not the only one. Don’t get me Wrong theres nothing wrong with the Warrior Class, but theres a lot wrong with some of the players of them. Ive seen Wammos do some really stupid things. Eg. You attempt a mission, the teams doing really well, theres 2 wammos in the team,2 Monks etc. things go Pair Shaped due to an accidendal over luring. Only 3 team members are left. A Warrior(who had avoided much of the fight because they ran off ahead and then ran away) and a player who has a res signet.. The Warrior They Says despite being /Mo he has no form of res on him not even a Signet. The Player with a Signet cant reach the monks to res them (due to enemys) so they res the Wammo thinking he will have Res. Only to discover this wammo doesn’t have Res either. When Asked if he has a Res, The team is told “Res is for the stupid Monks, n00bs!”, “STFU” and then Rage Quits. And that’s just 1 of the many examples.


Well shouldn’t that be 4 Trees, Energy Storage skils only affect energy, a build with just energy Storage skills would have no offensive power what so all.

I agree a lot of people think of the Eles as Easy targets due to there low AL and bad self healing. But they shouldn’t be an easy target, they should be balanced. And so should be able to pump out good damage. And Yes like all types there easy to shutdown with the right counter build so giving them the good damage output they deserve wont make them overpowered.

The Dessert is a Prime example of This the AL is insanly high and Elemental AL is even higher. Meteor Shower with Stats 18 should do atleast 100+ damage a hit. (which Is resonable considering the enemys there have massive hit points) and Yet each hit will only do like 20 damage. That’s a 1/5 of what it should be. Ok you could change Element thinking another Element would be more effective. Nope, From a little bit of Testing I Worked out they are Highly AL to all Elements, Fire is the one that is reduced the most about a 1/5, Then Earth and Water 1/4, and the Air (which is only slightly better than the others due to its Penetration factor) And yet even Air does less than a 1/3 of the damage it should do. So unless u use the few AL ignoring Earth Skills ur totally useless there as an Ele.

However aside from That Eles are amazing, A Good one can even get around the above issue with a good build. I would take an Ele over a Wammo anyday

Because they don't fit into holy trinity build.

You have tanks which hold agro, nukers that nuke, and monks that heal. A brave group will put a ranger in there.

Now... Assassin needs to go into the backlines, potentially spilling agro, possibly getting a lot of heat requiring healing, causing the monks to need to move forward, causing even more agro spill, causing the backline to get wiped, having tanks crying about being unable to control agro, and requesting "Agro Magnet" skills, forums exploding all over the place, people calling each other noob, ....

Same thing with mesmers. Spiritual pain helped give mesmers an AoE nuke. And, well, here we are. Mesmer nuker. SP is great skill, but mistrust is just as good if not better under many circumstances.

In order for a class to be "useful", they need to be able to either perform unconditional tanking (no matter how long it takes, with windows of no support from team), deal unconditional damage (eles, barrage, ss or MM), and heal unconditionally (duh. monks).

Assassins, mesmers paragons and ritualists don't fit into that. They are powerful, but almost all of their skills are conditional or timed. As such, they cannot, by design, fit into the unconditional builds. So players who do use those classes prefer to go on their own, and be, for most part, much more efficient, even with henchway.

It's the same thing as conditional weapons. Farming builds use them a lot, yet they aren't popular in pvp.

And nobody wants dervishes because there's still too many of them. Supply, demand, and all of that. And also, because spamming "AoE dervish LFG" will not get you many sympathies. It's about the same as "Ele damage dealer LFG".

Since when do Elementalists have slow casting? It just depends on what spells you use. Try Air or Earth if you think Fire is too slow...I guess most people are too scared to use anything different than Fire because they think they won't be accepted in a team.

Silly thread. IMHO Eles are one of the most sought after proffessions for PuGs in PvE. They are:

1. Monks
2. Tanks
3. Eles
4. MM

DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion only, based on my experience playing the game. There is nothing scientific to it what-so-ever.