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Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

05 Jan 2007 at 20:01 - 1

Why are warrior weapons and skills listed before all others? They're certainly not the most played class. Why are their weapons more expensive? I don't get it. It seems they are worshiped by the site mod's and game developers, but certainly not the communtiy. I'm not saying this is always the case but it is for the majority of the time. I'm going to link some examples below. Please don't get my thread closed with flaming. It's a discussion not a witty flamers thread.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=44867

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3036210

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Quick_access_links

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Index_of_unique_item_lists

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Unique_...%28Factions%29

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Unique_...28Nightfall%29

Ok thats enough of wiki examples. If I was to put all of wikis on here I might fill this sites server.
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=alphabetize

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

05 Jan 2007 at 20:05 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

They're certainly not the most played class.

I'd say they were.

The Last Preacher

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

None and looking!

N/

05 Jan 2007 at 20:06 - 3

I'm not going to give you the answer but I will give you a clue...

A ...B ....C

Got it now?

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

05 Jan 2007 at 21:08 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Of The Paths

I'm not going to give you the answer but I will give you a clue...

A ...B ....C

Got it now?

LOL.

And they are the most played class ... perhaps not on this forum but overall. I have only met one person since launch that did not have a warrior and my fl has been recycled 3 times.

Indian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

[SWIM]/[HooD]/[RFE]

Me/

05 Jan 2007 at 21:15 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

LOL.

And they are the most played class ... perhaps not on this forum but overall. I have only met one person since launch that did not have a warrior and my fl has been recycled 3 times.

erm

i created my First warrior when Nightfall came out and been playing GW for over 19 months

and that too just for Afro ^___^

Faith Angelis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

UK

05 Jan 2007 at 21:18 - 6

Quote:

I have only met one person since launch that did not have a warrior and my fl has been recycled 3 times.

Now you've met 2.

Don't have a Warrior. Never had a Warrior. Don't intend to ever have one. 'nuff said.

Rok

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Guild Wars

05 Jan 2007 at 21:18 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

Why are warrior weapons and skills listed before all others? They're certainly not the most played class. Why are their weapons more expensive? I don't get it. It seems they are worshiped by the site mod's and game developers, but certainly not the communtiy. I'm not saying this is always the case but it is for the majority of the time. I'm going to link some examples below. Please don't get my thread closed with flaming. It's a discussion not a witty flamers thread.

Why do you care? Just need something to complain about? If you don't like it go make your own site. Another worthless whine thread. GG - whining about flames before anyone even does so ... it will be closed because it is pointless and flamebait.

TheUndertaker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

05 Jan 2007 at 21:31 - 8

I can speak for the price of the weapons. They are cool looking. Does anyone really care what the wands and staves look like. No, but everyone thinks Fellblades are cool. Second after warrior weapons and shields would be bows.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

05 Jan 2007 at 21:32 - 9

As I said in game does not reflect the forum .. which seems to gather like minds (being kind).

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

05 Jan 2007 at 21:42 - 10

I don't have a Warrior either, that's besides the point.

Warriors have a much larger range of weapon types because that's what their primary purpose is, deal damage, and with the weapons that they have equipped.

Every class has is large amount of unique skins and if you looked at the poll of what people chose as their first character, Warrior is 1st or 2nd.

People tend to be more interested in different type of blades anyways.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 Jan 2007 at 21:46 - 11

Quote:

Does anyone really care what the wands and staves look like?

Yes, a lot of people care about the skin of their caster weapons. Since melee weapons get most of the attention in the design process a decent caster skin is a rarity.

Most played classes:

1> Warrior
2> Monk
3> Ranger
4> Ele

There was a thread about this somewhere.

TheUndertaker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

05 Jan 2007 at 21:51 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Yes, a lot of people care about the skin of their caster weapons. Since melee weapons get most of the attention in the design process a decent caster skin is a rarity.

Exactly. I wish I could get cool looking caster weapons. If there were more cool caster skins, more people would care about them. As it is, the only real variety in weapons is with warrior weapons, and to a lesser extent bows.

Corran Horn

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Alliance of Xen

R/Me

05 Jan 2007 at 22:00 - 13

Firey Dragon Staff anyone? Or how about a Storm Wand and Icy Focus?

sixdartbart

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Peace Machine GRRR [DiE]

W/N

05 Jan 2007 at 22:24 - 14

Rather than try to debate any of this pointless thread I have a serious question.

I'm in Denver and it's snowing again today which made me wonder "Why is the snow white" I mean seriously I really like blue better so how come every time it is white

Is it just because Snow Blue wouldn't have been a good name for a story?

Incredible what people find to talk/complain about

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

W/

05 Jan 2007 at 22:31 - 15

Most played class is definatly Warrior in PvE, followed by ranger and ele i think,

Admins you mentioned monk as 2nd class in pvp where you almost always need monks thats true.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

05 Jan 2007 at 22:40 - 16

Why are Warriors listed first?

Have you even played this game? I guess you missed EVERY SINGLE LIST INGAME that always lists Warriors first. It's just how it happened. I would certainly prefer to always have the professions listed in a certain order (character creation, Priest of Balthazar, etc) than have it be randomized or whatever.

LagunaCid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

BHL

R/

05 Jan 2007 at 22:42 - 17

In case you didnt notice, its in reverse alphabetical order

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

05 Jan 2007 at 22:58 - 18

I don't really care which profession comes first but I have often wondered why certain things are arrange in the way that they are in GW...

For example

Why are the runes at the trader such an awful mess? Again it could be reverse alpha I have never checked, but it just seems...counter-intuitive to put it nicely.

Why are my characters in no discernable order at the login screen? Not really a big issue because it is easy to scroll and pick the one I want. But still, why in that order...

If you look in the profecies game manual, the professions are listed War, Ranger, Monk, Ele, Mesmer, Necro (I am not really smart but am pretty sure that is not reverse alpha...though I could be wrong). How did they choose that ordering as opposed to, say...standard alphabetical?

Well, not something that is a huge thorn in my side, but it just seems like they randomly threw everything in...always gave me a laugh

malignant-heretic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

UK

UH - UNHOLY

N/

05 Jan 2007 at 23:06 - 19

maybe its aranged that way because thats the order the characters apear on the character creation screen?

prophecies:
W - R - Mo - N - Me - E

Factions:
W - R - Mo - N - Me - E - A - Rt

NF:
W - R - Mo - N - Me - E - P - D?

or as lagunacid mentioned its reverse alphabetical

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

05 Jan 2007 at 23:09 - 20

Guild Lord is a warrior.
Ghostly Hero is a warrior.
Rurik is (well, was

) a warrior.

Coincidence? Maybe. Regardless, it's not something worth losing sleep over.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

05 Jan 2007 at 23:22 - 21

Don't forget Balthazar.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

05 Jan 2007 at 23:58 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by malignant-heretic

maybe its aranged that way because thats the order the characters apear on the character creation screen?

prophecies:
W - R - Mo - N - Me - E

Factions:
W - R - Mo - N - Me - E - A - Rt

NF:
W - R - Mo - N - Me - E - P - D?

or as lagunacid mentioned its reverse alphabetical

So the alphabet goes M N M, huh?

ischuros

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ireland

N/Me

06 Jan 2007 at 00:17 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Don't forget Balthazar.

Balthazar is the Warrior's god, grenth is the necromancer's god, therefore they should really be warrior's and necros.

OMG I capitalised warrior the first time i typed it, OMG!!!!!111!11!!1

Relambrien

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Delaware, USA

Error Seven Operators [Call]

W/

06 Jan 2007 at 00:34 - 24

My guess is that the order the classes are put in is the order they were thought up in. Warrior is a painfully obvious class to have, and if you have a melee class, you need to have a ranged class! Ooo, a ranger! Hmm...but we'll need someone to heal them...Monk! Now we need something opposite the monk, something that deals with death instead of life...Necromancer! Speaking of manipulating things, how about we get a class that screws with everyone else? Oh yeah, Mesmer! Now what could we fill the last slot with...well, we don't have any obviously-offensive casters...Elementalist!

Makes sense, no? :P

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

R/

06 Jan 2007 at 00:46 - 25

It never ceases to amaze the amount of players that suffer from *the need to whine*

So you paid 30-40-50 dollars for this game. That's it. Type /age. Do you think you got your money's worth?

If not, go do something else.

Frankly, I love this game, I have massive fun playing it, I have met incredible people, I have made friends, I love the updates that we get for FREE that allow me to play even more, I love the events that we get for FREE and allow me to do something a little bit different, I love the challenge, and I admit I have fun running the conga with Gaile. How about you just enjoy the game and stop LOOKING for little things to complain about? "Oh my, there's a leaf on a tree out of ascalon that has a strange looking green. I mean, come on developers, get it together!!! I paid 40 dollars, and a leaf should look like a leaf."

It's not a perfect game, we don't live in a perfect world. I think ANET goes out of their way to please the GW community. Are they ever going to make the perfect game? No. Are they making it better? always. Can it be improved? yes. Do they make mistakes? yes. Do you? I'm sure you do, just like everybody else.

If you have time to wonder the order in which professions are, then you are bored. Do yourself a favor, and find something that will satisfy you, or perhaps go exploring, do some quests, missions and try to have fun, and think of all the hours of play you got out of your 40 dollars!!!

Cyan The Archer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

R/

06 Jan 2007 at 01:07 - 26

I'm quite sure the OP wasn't whining. This is supposed to be a more "fun" thread... But what do i know, people complain about reconnects being added.

warriorsmiley

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Vandal Hearts [VH]

W/

06 Jan 2007 at 04:46 - 27

While warrior weapons skins and mods cost alot of money some of the staves and staff mods used to cost a fortune also. Prior to NF where you can inscribe a weapon to your liking it was nearly impossible to find a staff you would want with perfect stats like the old 20/20 staffs. It was near impossible to get a perfect 20/20 staff of the staves mastery so for that reason the staff would cost a pretty penny if you did find it. Also I recall prior to Factions +1(20% chance of death magic) was pretty expensive costing anywhere from 50-70k.

I sold my 10/10 req 8 divine staff 4 months after factions release for 100k+15 ectos because the person knew trying to find another person with the same exact staff which was exactly what he wanted would be near impossible to do.

False Truth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

[Reap]

Mo/Me

06 Jan 2007 at 04:57 - 28

Uh people, they are in reverse alphabetical order, like OP's pic shows and like 3 others here have said.

lambda the great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

here

Almost a Guild

W/N

06 Jan 2007 at 05:36 - 29

Umm question....WHY DOES IT MATTER? To the question to be questioned if no one can answer the question that is unquestionable.

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

06 Jan 2007 at 05:40 - 30

Just to point out that everyone can be a little foolish, when I frist started playing I ran two wars.

One one account....

I was a total noob about my war/ranger and my war/monk that I lvled both to 20 and waited almost 3months before changing either of there secondarys for fear of losing all the skills I had acrued.

One of those wars finaly bit the dust as the lightbulb exploded over my head.

As for the price of war weapons.

They look cool and they tend to be easier to notice than other items. How hard do you have to look to notice what skin a wand is?

How long does it take you to pick a Chaos Axe out from a Dwarven or Kryton axe?

With both Nightfall and Factions there have been some nice inprovements, Zodiac wands/staffs, as well as a few very nice and detailed offhands.

But they will never be as sought after as Warrior weapons/sheilds for the simple reason that more people look to see what a Warrior is carrying.

Aegeroth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sydney, AUS.

Sons of Dark Magicians [SoDM]

N/Me

06 Jan 2007 at 05:56 - 31

I reckon its because Warriors are the most basic class.

Buzzer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Australia

06 Jan 2007 at 07:14 - 32

They aren't first in everything anyway. Mesmers are first in attribute and skill codes.

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

06 Jan 2007 at 07:50 - 33

STOP SPREADING THE STOOPID VIRUS!!!

im blowing my nose enough as it is.... please for the love of balthazar...

Feathermoore Rep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

PM me for JACT Invite

Feathermoore Clan

R/Mo

06 Jan 2007 at 08:15 - 34

Ok first a small side note, for those of you who thought that the OP was whining, shutup and get over it. It doesnt help your case when you rant and complain about the complaints of someone else. Sounds redundant no?

And why is it that 9/10 times when i see a person bust on someones else for complaining or asking stupid question, that person has listed "W/" listed by their Profession??

As well, why are warriors in game the first to scream "OMG U NOOB!" or "REZ ME! I HAVE REZ!" as well as rage quit/leave???

^^Yes those are complaints - flame/bash me if you like i dont care - and i really dont even want a response to them

And to whoever had never met a person who didnt have a warrior, i also dont one and have been playing for over 13 months.

Anyway, Warriors were defintely the main class of Prophecies. There was never a shortage of warriors anywhere you went. And they were also the most expensive class to make, back when sup abosrption ran for like 60k. Not to mention the weapons. Chaos, Fellblades, shields etc etc. everything was pricey. As for rare skins, they got the most and also sold for the most.

With Factions and NF, some more skins came out and made the playing field a little bit better. But for the majority, warrior items still top the market as most expensive and overly saught after. You dont see some Dagger or Mesmer offhand go for 100k+ ectos. Sure the other classes have their rare and nice skins, but warriors still favored. I really think thats what the OP was trying to get at.
Just because the Warriors are listed first on lists doesnt make them favored. Thats just how they set it up.

Hand of Ruin

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

06 Jan 2007 at 09:35 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faith Angelis

Now you've met 2.

Don't have a Warrior. Never had a Warrior. Don't intend to ever have one. 'nuff said.

Oo a rebel...

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

06 Jan 2007 at 10:31 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faith Angelis

Now you've met 2.

Don't have a Warrior. Never had a Warrior. Don't intend to ever have one. 'nuff said.

Make that 3!

I have never had a Warrior on my account before. And I don't plan on it.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

06 Jan 2007 at 10:59 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixCarter

Make that 3!

I have never had a Warrior on my account before. And I don't plan on it.

I hope it isn't for the same reason many don't ... you have to be able to think and not just mash buttons in response. Warrior is the tip of the sword aka the hardest char to play well when in a group. Anyone saying otherwise either does not play the char well or does not play it at all.

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 Jan 2007 at 11:22 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

I hope it isn't for the same reason many don't ... you have to be able to think and not just mash buttons in response. Warrior is the tip of the sword aka the hardest char to play well when in a group. Anyone saying otherwise either does not play the char well or does not play it at all.

Ya man they're hard to play. My oldest character thats almost 2 yrs old now(because I deleted my monk after uw 55 nerf in rage) is a warrior named Grasping Darkness. I'll never delete him cuz after that long I've grown attached to him. lol I know thats lame. I like to take him alot to the shiverpeaks where I love the solitude and scenery solo farming ids even though they're not worth much. Its just fun. The topic of this thread is known as common sense and I made it really I guess to say that no class should be put up on a pedastal and it should go in alphabetical order. Just making conversation

As far as "hardest char to play", idk man thats kinda situation relevant and sounds like youre a bit biased

[KotL]Mjolnir

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

W/Mo

06 Jan 2007 at 14:34 - 39

Will - Rurik's - Mother - Nurse - Mechanical - Elephants?

....*hangs head in shame*

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

06 Jan 2007 at 14:41 - 40

I'd say the hardest class to play is very situational as well.
Sometimes my mesmer is very hard to play. There are a lot of mesmer skills that won't do anything if they aren't used at the right time on the right opponent. I think a build composed of those skills would be very hard to play.