Riposte & Deadly Riposte

beliserius

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

The skill [skill]Riposte[/skill] and the [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill] Is very hard to counter using a warrior build, i have searched everwhere but nowhere has any answers.
I am talking about a 1 on 1 situation between a character with 2 riposte and the other does not, how do i counter it?
I know [skill]Soothing Images[/skill] would counter Riposte but drains energy and is 1 less skill for offence while leaving deadly riposte still well... deadly.
Please post some ideas, thx.

Would [skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill] help?

What suggested that doesnt work:
Distracting blow (no casting time)
Wild Blow (Not stance)
Any defensive skills (ignors armor and can not be blocked)

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

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Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

Wild Blow. Removes a stance from target foe. GG Deadly riptose, Wild Blow pwns it.

False Truth

False Truth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

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Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U
Wild Blow. Removes a stance from target foe. GG Deadly riptose, Wild Blow pwns it.
Ripostes aren't stances. And the damage still goes through you from Wild blow. Because of this, they have no actual counter(well, at least one doesn't)

Mesmer in Need

Mesmer in Need

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

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it only affects melee attacks. if u can find a way to kd them, it would delay them. pure/ jahuzen(sp?) strike go through the riposites, but you will still take dmg. if all else fails, change your secondary to ranger and poison him with a bow.

whobitz

whobitz

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

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Diversion? Not that you'd wanna put that on a warrior.

Jedimagician

Jedimagician

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

go w/me and bring IW

False Truth

False Truth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

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Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by Jedimagician
go w/me and bring IW
Ripostes and Auspicious Parry still work against IW, since it's "next attack" and not "next hit".

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Boston Guild [BG]

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maybe the real counter is to just use a normal attack. Riposte doesn't deal a lot of damage by itself, so you could just remove it with a regular attack then commence with the spike.

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heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

They're not exactly counterable, as far as i know. the damage will still be applied no matter what you do. you'll just have to take the damage and try to kill him before he can kill you. and considering that he's wasted two slots on these skills, you probably will be able to.

Hand of Ruin

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

obviously the counter is mending.

Shadow Slave

Shadow Slave

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Personally? If i dont decide to just attack through them, and get them out the way...then I just wait the 8 seconds until they wear off....spend this time on self heals perhaps...or kiting.

Ok Deadly Riposte recharges fairly quickly.....but also costs 5 energy...which depending on the stage in battle, isnt always available to your opponent Warrior.

Meanwhile, if u have been kiting...say bye bye adrenaline & riposte.

then again...its not that much dmg from Deadly riposte..so if its the bleeding you're worried about, then Plague Touch has always been a friend of mine.

Rabbit28

Rabbit28

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

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i thought i could take on my riposte using friend but he kicked my sorry butt

but if i were you, id bring SV and AV, they cant raise adreneline and they lose energy, only issue would be your energy management but give it a try

make sure you have enough illusion magic

Coridan

Coridan

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Join Date: Jun 2006

US

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get a wand or bow...back off(kite) but continue to attack from range thus still dealing damage and building energy/adren depending on weapon mods etc

ShadowStorm

ShadowStorm

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

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The Better Part of Valor

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You could always go ritualist secondary and spam [skill]Vengeful Weapon[/skill] and [skill]Weapon of Remedy[/skill].

That way, everytime one of the Ripostes goes off, it'll end up hurting the enemy warrior instead and Weapon of Remedy will take care of the bleeding for you.

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

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crip shot ranger

nuff said.

could always try to bring mark of protection and frenzy spam! woooo

False Truth

False Truth

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Slave
then again...its not that much dmg from Deadly riposte..so if its the bleeding you're worried about, then Plague Touch has always been a friend of mine.
70-90 armor ignoring damage is a hell of a lot, for anyone. Combining both, deals a very hefty amount of damage to your foe, and this isn't even counting attack skills, or a skill like Auspicious parry(My favorite, PVE wise) which could potentially recharge riposte in one block.

And about the "still taking a lot of damage while using riposte". Considering it was you vs a melee opponent, you should always time your ripostes so that they probably block attack skills instead of just attacks, it's just a bigger benefit.

Mesmer in Need

Mesmer in Need

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowStorm
You could always go ritualist secondary and spam [skill]Vengeful Weapon[/skill] and [skill]Weapon of Remedy[/skill].

That way, everytime one of the Ripostes goes off, it'll end up hurting the enemy warrior instead and Weapon of Remedy will take care of the bleeding for you.
to think of it, vengefull and the riposites work in the same way. so, in theory whoever had the most powerful attributes, whether in tactics or restoration, they would win.

blakecraw

blakecraw

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Austin, TX

It would be a lot of weapon swapping (and maybe not very efficient) but you can take an extra weapon set with a wand or spear, then when they use riposte use that on them, because then you won't take any damage, and I'm pretty sure that that'll remove the riposte. After removing riposte you simply switch back to your main weapon and keep hacking away until they use riposte again. This will be pretty slow against somebody who has both ripostes, but it would work.

Some of the ripostes are bound to get to you before you wand them off, but it should help with a lot of the damage.

DeanBB

DeanBB

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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Both Riposte and Deadly Riposte trigger on melee attacks. They do expire if not triggered though.

Remember that while you're dinking around with a wand the enemy warrior is still attacking you with his sword, including whatever elite skills he has.

kanuks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Why dont u just use riposte too? For a warrior, the best way to counter the damage dealt by ripostes is to use ripostes too in ordfer to deal as much damage as your opponent. Just make an auspicious parry build with the 2 ripostes.

If u want an edge in the fight, start the fight by activating deadly riposte and casting reversal of fortune. Attack him once (one hit) then stop attacking. You will gain an adrenaline point to charge auspicious parry and trigger his deadly riposte that will be reversed into life with reversal of fortune. Then u simply activate auspicious parry which will charge riposte. Activate riposte and deadly riposte (if this one is recharged). Rince and repeat. Basically, the opponent takes the 2 riposte in the ass while one of his riposte gets converted into life for you, cancelling the damage dealt by the other riposte.

mega_jamie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

UK

Warlords of Ruin

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Sympathetic visage, stops them form building adrenaline when they hit you, so they'd have to let you hammer on them.

lennymon

lennymon

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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[skill]Shield Bash[/skill] being knocked down won't stop riposte or deadly riposte, but shield bash will (also fun with diversion)

Destrus The Demonic

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Use expose defenses, rigor mortis, way of the fox etc... You will still take damage but if you can outdamage him you will be able to kill him.

Mr.H.Mishima

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lennymon
[skill]Shield Bash[/skill] being knocked down won't stop riposte or deadly riposte, but shield bash will (also fun with diversion)
How? They aren't attacks. You can actually use both Riposte Skills when KD'd as well.

beliserius

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Thx guys ^^ i think i know now

Son Of The Axe

Son Of The Axe

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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Ummm I'm a faithful user of these skills which you so despise and i feel that the best way to counter them would be to use Warrior's Cunning. In the 8 or so seconds this grants you you should be able to devastate your oppent or at least fill him up with hramful conditions. Also add attacks that ignore blocks like Pure Strike. With enough healing you should be fine...switch to W/Mo best ever. Or a really east solution is not attacking and leaving the duel at a draw because he won't be able to do any dmg without those skills. This will force a tie and make him change his skill set in round two........i duel for money so yea...this is how i make my GW living lol.

DeanBB

DeanBB

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Quote:
Or a really east solution is not attacking and leaving the duel at a draw because he won't be able to do any dmg without those skills.
Those are only 2 of his skills so one would assume there are attacks included as well on the enemy warrior, including an elite. Kiting may not work as Sprint or some other speed boost can be in place as the ripostes are not stances.

Giga Strike

Giga Strike

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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how about you just wait 8 seconds?

beliserius

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Heres the problem with waiting for 8 seconds, he can still use deadly riposte and while you are waiting, he can attack you while you cannot attack back and when you try to heal, the healing sig is too slow and -40 armor where as lions comfort needs adrenalin thx

Mr.H.Mishima

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