Is any1 else having fun with a paragon?

chicks boy

chicks boy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

No guild

A/E

Mine is 7 hours in 2 months played.

Im not going to lie, the paragon is so boring, they dont even have close up melee fight. Why do paragons throw spears?

guildwiki doesnt even have a decent build for paragon, and most ppl only wants paragon to be a support type. Are you having fun with yours? Even a mesmer is funner to play.

Jamison0071

Jamison0071

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Melbourne, Australia

Morporkian Mercenaries

N/Me

My Paragon is my 3rd favourite character (after my necro and ele) I made him a support Motivation paragon and have had tons of fun finishing the game with him. Maybe the paragon is just not your play style...

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Check out Zinger's Paragon/Warrior build in the PvE section. You'll have an absolute blast playing it and watching all your enemies die.

Nexus Icon

Nexus Icon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Natis Ignigena

Me/

I loved my Paragon in the preview, but when Nightfall hit the shelves I just lost all interest.
I really couldn't face noob island again, and besides, I had my warrior's titles to get.
So he sat on the shelf whilst I took my warrior through.
After that, I still couldn't face noob island, but on top of that, I'd burned out capping all of the elites on my warrior and was resenting having to level a paragon and buy / cap all of his skills.

So I took another foreign character through, my mesmer.
Mesmer has begun to feel a little unfocussed now thanks to numerous nerfs and lack of specialisation, and feels rather listless in PvE now, but I still enjoyed it more than the prospect of playing my paragon.
So I got my mes through the game and capped all of his elites and bought all of his skills.

STILL no paragon lovin', so I brought the sin out of retirement, a class I neglected to play that much in Factions, but has really begun to shine now.
I've had a GREAT time with him, and even made sure to go back through Factions and collect all of his skills and elites from there before doing the same in Elona.

And now?
I even traded in my sin's Book of Secrets for the green spear "Prayer of the Forgotten", but the enthusiasm I felt for the paragon class in pre-release is still not forthcoming.
So he sits there, twiddling his thumbs waiting for the day he's gonna get some lovin'.

I'm guessing that'll be around about the same time the next chapter comes out.

As for my dervish, well he makes a good mule...

Please ANet, no more new classes. It's getting ridiculous.

What I will say is that I think classes need to reach a critical mass before they become acceptable.
New classes just don't have the skill flexibility of core classes that have been around since Prophecies, so they feel limited and stifling in comparison.
I think that it's only when a respectable amount of skills are available to a class that they're worth playing, and due to the nature of GW, that won't happen until the chapter after the new class was introduced.

But that's just me.

I see hundreds of people out there playing paragons, so ANet got something right.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

Yeah Zinger has a great build. Personally I just started on one, I'm loving on my Dervish right now so he is getting most of the attention, but I can see a lot of interesting skill combinations there that will be worth exploiting. I'm not too bad at coming up with builds, if I come up with a good one like Zinger I'll post it here too. Right now I'm still pimping my EDA build. LoL Go check it out if you have a dervish it works like a champ.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

Mine is lvl 13... Oh well, they just are not that fun to play with I think. I play my dervish like crazy, mainly because a Dervish can self heal, dish out HUGE dmg, tank, heal party members, and pressure baddies to no end.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

I tried it out doesn't seem so bad but I prefer my main char. more being the core class of char.I always play them first through any new campaign.I still have one don't play it much like my Rit who is at The Enternal Grove not to muc activity in Factions.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

The build in question, which everyone loves, is: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10094729

However, I find that Paragons in general are a weak class. They only have 2 worthwhile elites (Incoming and SoR), everything else is utter trash.

If ToF weren't so good, paragons would be dead.

KANE OG

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

W/

Mine's a Lvl 2 pack mule.

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

Made one than I deleted her and remake a ranger instead.

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Well, I like my paragon. While I haven't gotten far with her (I've been playing my main a lot- my ranger) she's a great deal of fun to play for me.

DeathByBowtie

DeathByBowtie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan

BGP Army [BGP]

I loved playing my paragon on the starter island, but now that I've gotten to the mainland I'm slowly starting to lose interest. It's partially because I'm trying to get Survivor[3], and I don't wanna screw it up and be stuck, but also (being a somewhat uncreative sort) I haven't been able to come up with a good build, nor has anyone else that I've seen. I've considered trying that TOF build, but I'm not much of a melee person.

Crazyvietguy

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[Njk]

Rt/

I played a Motivation Paragon during the Island and A bit of Elona, then a MoR Spike Spearman (which.. is a rather bunch of fun). However I've found that ToF keeps me most interested. Excellent build Zinger314. Large props to you.

Karalin Taucher

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

UK

Beautiful Oblivion [EON]

E/Mo

I love my Paragon. I probably play her as much as my monk, more than most of my other characters, save my ele.

The shouts are great fun, I usually play a Command build, specialising in party wide buffs. The OP said 'People always want them in a support role'. Well, that's what they do best. You want a melee characer? Be a warrior. Or an assasin. Or a dervish....

$hade.

$hade.

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

[FiRM[]

R/

I am OK With the Paragon but they are better imo as a secondary prof than first prof.


I am liking mine though as he is a beastmaster/spearthrow dmg dealer .

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

I play a Command Paragon and I love it. You can provide unstrippable buffs to the team in the form of shouts and Incoming is insanely good against spikes you get at the start of a fight.

In my view a Paragon isn't supposed to be a massively ofensive character...and it's wrong that people should only think of them as such. Having said that I just took a look at Zinger's build...looks awesome and I will have to try it at some point

When Nightfall was being announced the Paragons were described as a "Battle Commander"...Shouting comands from the backline to aid the team which is how I generall play mine. Occaisionally I go slightly more offensive and switch to P/E and use Glimmering Mark, Conjure Lightning and a Shocking Spear...it's fun to play but I need to get energy-management sorted out on it. This allows me to use a shield with "+45HP while enchanted" mod on and it means I'll be Enchanted to Swift Javelin can't be blocked or evaded.

tarbok1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

I love my paragon, but I've always liked ranged dps classes. Ranger was nice, but I like the ability to buff and increase my entire group at once. Really fun with henchies, trying to figure out how to get skills without using faction to unlock them is a pain. I guess I'm just not far enough in the game, time to go play some more.

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

Being a huge fan of support classes, I love the Paragon, I dare say it's my favorite class in GW for the time being. I myself don't use many spear mastery skills save for Spear of Lightning as there are much better damage dealers out there. Furthermore the Paragon is supposed to be a support/buff class, not an offensive ranged attacker

I've already beaten Elona with him and half of Tyria and Cantha as well and I plan on taking him to the next chapter as well.

Yes, I am having fun with the Paragon.

clawofcrimson

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

W/

Paragons also can be great utility characters...

this works wonders in pvp....
[card]shock[/card][card]awe[/card][card]blinding surge[/card][card]"fall back!"[/card][card]"stand your ground!"[/card][card]blazing spear[/card][card]glowing signet[/card][card]leader's comfort[/card]

set for alliance battles...

LAMS3K

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty[Rare]

R/Mo

Yes. Paragon is seated just below Ranger, my favorite class. Steamrolled through Tyria and Elona with protector on both. I have reserves about going to Cantha, a few too many Vizunah Square horror stories for me to risk Survivor. They're on Fire! is an excellent skill especially when combined with a low-health Ranger/Paragon running Barrage and Paragon Command skills. A lot of the Paragon skills are subpar and do need modification.

clawofcrimson

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

W/

and as to the discussion of spear throwing...I have found that the spear line is not very good with spike damage...but rather with applying constant pressure... IAS is your friend.... for pvp try this build...


[card]heket's rampage[/card] [card]poisonous bite[/card] [card]barbed spear[/card] [card]blazing spear[/card] [card]disrupting throw[/card] [card]heal as one[/card] [card]charm animal[/card] [card]resurrection signet[/card]

I have been having a blast with the paragon...helping people who recently join my guild in pve and the above builds in pvp...

bryann380

bryann380

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/

Mine has been mostly on the shelf ever since I started a spear dervish a month ago.

buzzerman

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Yes, I am having fun with my paragon, and even more fun with 2 paragons! (taking Gen. Morgahn with me whenever I can).
One thing is clear -- for the more difficult end-game regions of Elona (Realm of Torment), my Paragon had the most enjoyable journey (compared to my other characters who finished Nightfall). Mostly because it was the safest, offering most protection for the entire party. After learning more of the Paragon skills, I also used General Morgahn as the necessary Motivation core of the party (while I was playing Command) and since then, pretty much every fight was flawless (i.e. no deaths), easily getting Master reward on the last missions of Nightfall. Then I went blazing through the Crystal Desert and the Southern Shiverpeaks missions in Tyria (even ran myself from Lion's Arch to Sanctum Cay easily) and now I'm running through Cantha's quests and missions.. It feels good to be able to aggro quite a few of those pesky Jade Brotherhood groups without deaths in the party..

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAMS3K
Yes. Paragon is seated just below Ranger, my favorite class. Steamrolled through Tyria and Elona with protector on both. I have reserves about going to Cantha, a few too many Vizunah Square horror stories for me to risk Survivor. They're on Fire! is an excellent skill especially when combined with a low-health Ranger/Paragon running Barrage and Paragon Command skills. A lot of the Paragon skills are subpar and do need modification. I'm glad to see that someone else is realizing the very nice synergies between the Ranger and the Paragon as well...I absolutely love the combo at this point.

Crazyvietguy

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[Njk]

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karalin Taucher
The OP said 'People always want them in a support role'. Well, that's what they do best. You want a melee characer? Be a warrior. Or an assasin. Or a dervish.... Wow.. ignorant quote of the year?

The OP was looking for interesting builds to play. I agree Paragons are "meant" for party wide buffs using shouts and echos. In fact i honestly enjoy playing those builds too. However for sheer laughs and fun ToF Axe Users takes the cake. I also tested a P/R build, amazing as well. The OP wanted interesting builds, not cookie cutter 100% paragon builds. If we all listened to you there would be no ranger-thumpers, 55 tanks, IW Mesmers, Critical barragers, etc. Boring game?

Now that, that is over. Paragons leave room for creativity, as do dervishes. So far They are on Fire has been the most used skill from a paragon. However I've also heard that an Orders Paragon is quite fun to play (P/N)

I agree that Paragons could use a buff though.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

Well, a buff is always welcome! Bring it on! I love my paragon, and a couple friends are now playing para heavily and one leveling up a para after seeing what I can do in Sorrow's Furnace. But I will say this in defense of those of you who don't like the Paragon.

1. I myself really do not like the armor at all. I try not to look at me! I think a lot of players choose Dervish over Para just because of the armor?

2. For me, getting the Paragon off the island was very tedious. The good stuff really did not turn on until I got adrenaline building elites like Soldier's Fury and Focused Anger which come much later.

3. I think the real strengths of the class are hard to discover on your own, and with a fully leveled para you do need to study builds and read a lot on the forums to find one which fits your playstyle.

4. The Truth Comes Out: Ok, yeah, my build works best with Olias (MM) along and I basically just spam Go For the Eyes like crazy, with the rest of the build centered around that. Typically I rock around the lower maps of Elona, all the maps of Factions and Tyria with just the para, Koss (slinging an axe), Dunkoro to keep us all alive, and Olias with a great MM build really carrying the load. GFtE just makes Olias 10 times more effective.

5. ClawofCrimson, that is a really good PvP build, best I have seen. Am going to try that.

6. I agree that Spear needs some help from ANet. By the time you get points in Leadership, Command (and/or Motivation), Spear is even weaker yet. Spear side effects like Deep Wound, or as in the build above, far outweigh any actual damage done by the spear.

Ashe.

Ashe.

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Tales Of Glory[ePiC]

Rt/

I made one, did the first mission and deleted her.
I may remake along the way but that first part in nightfall is just boring as hell I don't know how many characters I can stand going through it with ><

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

wub mine, and paragons make the endgame vaguly enjoyable. n00b island they dont really shine..

clawofcrimson

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilebill
. ClawofCrimson, that is a really good PvP build, best I have seen. Am going to try that. glad someone noticed

which one are you talking about btw?

chicks boy

chicks boy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

No guild

A/E

Three dissapointments:

- Got overexcited over paragons because i thought their armor had "wings" and "wing blades" but instead they gave us cheap Nipple-showing 15k armors

- I thought there was going to be two options for paragons... Ranged melee and Close up melee. Sigh. I just dont wanna throw my spear, i want to stab people with my spear too.

- People only wants support type paragons with Fall back and Incoming Stand you're ground etc, but yet people are trying too hard to make up builds containing massive dmg Paragons.

The assassin is SLOWLY... slowllyyy getting in the top spot. Question will be, Will the paragons climb that top spot too or remains as a support paragon that throw spears which spawns on you're hand back everytime you throw it? Lol.

oinkers

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by chicks boy
Three dissapointments:

- Got overexcited over paragons because i thought their armor had "wings" and "wing blades" but instead they gave us cheap Nipple-showing 15k armors
Vabbian male armour doesn't have the man-titties problem, and it has nice wings - on the feet too like Hermes.

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

I don't know why people are saying paragons have no good armor, I like to think my paragon has a very nice looking set.


And I'm glad they don't have full wings, that'd be extremely lame.

As I said, Paragon is my favorite class in the game atm and I've given all 10 classes a shot. The beef a lot of people seem to have is the lack of "Omfg pwn'd j00 wif my Speer" damage. I will admit it seems odd to have so many attack skills with relatively week attack power, but I myself started playing the paragon in full understanding that was building a support class. currently I'm running a Command para with no points in spear mastery at all; as long as I can hit my targets I will gain adrenaline and that's all I need really.

gogoblender

gogoblender

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Montreal, Canada

With the Pargon Toff Build, Zed and a MM heroe, your'e talking probably some of the best damage as a team you can dish out in pve.
Period
Paragons are worth the time if you can build em up properly. They can have all your minions critical more than half the time(!!!), have all attackers put everything on fire (!!!), and can even tank.
They are instrumental in grokking the evolution of pve as moving from putting so much effort into creating just one uber hero and instead understanding the relationships and synergy that can be created between all the members of a pve team to increase overall killing speed.
Heroes, especially Paragons, are leading an almost-emulation of the team build complexities that players face when putting together a gvg team build.
It's the next step in pve
don't get left behind



gogo

Kwisatz_Haderach

Kwisatz_Haderach

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Since i started my paragon i have gone nearly 2 weeks without playing on any of my other 18 characters and made nearly 140k only on doing the Nightfall campaign.

Nuff said

Slirith

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexus Icon
Please ANet, no more new classes. It's getting ridiculous.

What I will say is that I think classes need to reach a critical mass before they become acceptable.
New classes just don't have the skill flexibility of core classes that have been around since Prophecies, so they feel limited and stifling in comparison.
I think that it's only when a respectable amount of skills are available to a class that they're worth playing, and due to the nature of GW, that won't happen until the chapter after the new class was introduced.

But that's just me.

I see hundreds of people out there playing paragons, so ANet got something right. new classes are part of the content imo..no new classes, alot of people wont play it i think but idk. Anet just needs to balance classes from the beginning and not nerf crap along the way.

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

The paragon has been the most fun I've had with any char so far.

Coming up with pve builds is a lot of fun and finding the synergy between shouts/chants and your allies' skills is always rewarding. I love the versatility of the class. You can go melee, spear degen, armor buffer, battery, party wide healer, protection, etc.

I think you have to like experimenting with builds and finding good (pve) team builds to appreciate the paragon.

Effendi Westland

Effendi Westland

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Isle of the dead

[DVDF][LDS]

P/W

Paragons make every part of pve very easy, just take advantage of the synergies in your party and you will aggro the world and pick up their drops later. A paragon by itself isn't very powerful, but it adds to the power of the whole party.

Eroth

Eroth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

ummm no

Modified Soul Society [SOUL]

A/R

My paragon is number 3 under my ranger and assassin. I love to play it because the backward spear throw isn't FULLY fixed so sometimes when I throw one it goes backwards then I see it zoom by like a fricken homing missle. It's funny as hell to watch. I never can get fraps to work fast enough....

anyway, the paragon takes time. and if you don't like the spear become a p/w and get a sword with some attacks. I have a req 9 Firey Dragon Sword that has near perfect stats. I use that when I need to tank or support but I also have a spear incase my spammable attacks->bleed->burn->Deep wound combo seems the best.

oinkers

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Paragons just got nerfed again this weekend. Enjoy.

Govtmorgue

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Dirty Angels go to Hell [HELL]

P/E

LMAO Oinkers, it's the SAME EXACT lowering in skills, buffing in spear line that happened for the 1st test weekend. Maybe this 2nd test weekend it'll change some...who knows...