Hey!
This is a simple idea, born mostly because Europe Nearly ALWAYS has favor, and because America rarely gets favor. And when they do, It's at midnight when most people usually sleep.
Idea #1: Have an additional bar, like the current faction bars, But a god favor bar, in which, after getting say, 1000 points, you have acess to enter a gods realm. (Still pay 1k or not does not matter, I don't think anyone out there would really care.). You must still ascend in order to enter.
Idea #2: Pay a higher fee, (say, hmm, 5-10K) to enter if your country doesn't have favor, and if your country does have favor, you can enter free.
The Reasons for:
#1: Anyone not European could FoW/UW more often.
#2: PvE wouldn't require PvP for certain area access.
#3: More replayability because UW and FoW are lots of fun.
Reasons against:
#1: Can't think of one right now.
It's a simple idea. Not exactly sure how hard it would be to intemplate, but, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Please post Constructive critisim.
If you don't give a darn about FoW/UW, please don't post. If you post makes aboslutly no sense, please don't post.
Thanks for reading!
~ReT~
Edit #1: Some posting problems, spelling error fixed.
Edit #2: Added some things
An idea about Favor/UW/FoW.
Retribution X
rotielover
Hells yea!!!
Finally someone posts that notes a problem and offers up what seems to be a viable solution!
Good job!
/Signed
Finally someone posts that notes a problem and offers up what seems to be a viable solution!
Good job!
/Signed
Arcane De Farad
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When USA and Korea had favor nearly always all european players had the same problem as you. And favor is something like present fron PVP to PVE players.
When USA and Korea had favor nearly always all european players had the same problem as you. And favor is something like present fron PVP to PVE players.
ca_aok
Not a big fan of #2 at all. In the case of FoW, you likely wouldn't even make up the cost of going in during the run, and in UW you'd need to get 1-2 ectos just to break even. It's not fair that you should be LOSING money to go to a PvE area simply because access is based arbitrarily on PvP battles.
Retribution X
I really posted this because, well, Lots of people can't go into PvE inviro because certain PvP players are better than others.
Sqube
Favor is not a gift from PvP players to PvE players. The people who are exclusively into PvP could care less about the people who are in to PvE, and vice versa.
Favor was an intriguing concept based on the fact that ANet thought people would play through PvE and get into PvP as a sort of "end-game". However, for whatever reason, this is simply not the case. The people who want to PvP roll new characters and do it that way. The people who are into PvE generally couldn't care less.
Remove the fee for entering the FoW/UW, remove favor entirely, and make people pay Balthazar Faction to get in. You want people to do PvP and PvE? This is a very simple way to do it. All facets of PvP will become more popular. Farmers will complain, but farmers always complain, and ANet claims not to like them very much anyway.
Besides, 1,000 Balthazar Faction is just not that much. I think that would be the imaginable thing that ANet could do. It would increase the popularity of PvP, it would make access to FoW/UW more commonplace, and it might even increase the general skill level of the Guild Wars playerbase.
Favor was an intriguing concept based on the fact that ANet thought people would play through PvE and get into PvP as a sort of "end-game". However, for whatever reason, this is simply not the case. The people who want to PvP roll new characters and do it that way. The people who are into PvE generally couldn't care less.
Remove the fee for entering the FoW/UW, remove favor entirely, and make people pay Balthazar Faction to get in. You want people to do PvP and PvE? This is a very simple way to do it. All facets of PvP will become more popular. Farmers will complain, but farmers always complain, and ANet claims not to like them very much anyway.
Besides, 1,000 Balthazar Faction is just not that much. I think that would be the imaginable thing that ANet could do. It would increase the popularity of PvP, it would make access to FoW/UW more commonplace, and it might even increase the general skill level of the Guild Wars playerbase.
Arkantos
Easier solution: Teach people on american server that theres more to HA then fotm's and heroway.
Dark Kal
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I remember when America and Korea had the favor all the time and Europe virtually had to beg to get favor once in a while. What goes around comes around!
I remember when America and Korea had the favor all the time and Europe virtually had to beg to get favor once in a while. What goes around comes around!
beltran13579
make it like if u have the favor u can go into FoW and if u dont u can go into UW
Arkantos
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make it like if u have the favor u can go into FoW and if u dont u can go into UW
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aB-
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I remember when America and Korea had the favor all the time and Europe virtually had to beg to get favor once in a while. What goes around comes around! |
Perynne
I play on the European server, and fully agree with aB-. The favour system is really not working for anyone, and it's completely unfair to others that we hold favor all the time. Think about what would happen if America suddenly got wiser in the ways of HA, and started beating Europe again? I'm sure there'd be a lot of complainers again, but now from a different side.
I like the idea of having a god favor bar, or using Balthazar faction to get into FoW and UW. That way the places would technically be open for everyone, but it would still require some commitment to get in. It would probably also lessen the farming a bit, as people wouldn't be able to just pay their way in. And rather than trusting a random PvP group you've never even heard of, in a place you've probably never even been to, to get you in, it would be a lot better to have the ability of getting in completely in your own hands.
I like the idea of having a god favor bar, or using Balthazar faction to get into FoW and UW. That way the places would technically be open for everyone, but it would still require some commitment to get in. It would probably also lessen the farming a bit, as people wouldn't be able to just pay their way in. And rather than trusting a random PvP group you've never even heard of, in a place you've probably never even been to, to get you in, it would be a lot better to have the ability of getting in completely in your own hands.
Diddy bow
i play on europe and ive only ever had one time i couldnt get in
favor is a good idea but its also a bit unfair :/
favor is a good idea but its also a bit unfair :/
pharaos
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I remember when America and Korea had the favor all the time and Europe virtually had to beg to get favor once in a while. What goes around comes around! |
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Guldur
Most people(not all) who complain about favor just want to be able to be free to overfarm these areas all the time, they dont want any thing that may prevent then from going there all day long. They dont come up with ideas.
I believe just the ones who have won favor before, know the greats sensation that is to have your name spread on everybodys chat saying that you won the hoh. Dont think that should ever be taken out.
An idea? Make favor change with less then 5 consecutive wins. make it between 1-3 and you we would see a lot of favor swapping.
I believe just the ones who have won favor before, know the greats sensation that is to have your name spread on everybodys chat saying that you won the hoh. Dont think that should ever be taken out.
An idea? Make favor change with less then 5 consecutive wins. make it between 1-3 and you we would see a lot of favor swapping.
Franco Power
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this post says it all
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good thing the sissy boys and marvelous superheroes dont play anymore
,meh america wants favor? Make a good pvp guild >.>
Our Lady Of Sorrow
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Wow, what wonderful logic! I play on the European server and think favor is not working. When Europe never had favor I bet you were complaining about the favor system, but now that it's working in your benefit you think it's fine. You can't simply flip on an issue because it's turned from working against you to not affecting you.
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the only way that can really make it close to fair, is saying that am needs 3 wins in hoh, but eu needs 5. <--retarded idea, dont sign it >.<"
dont bitch just because you cant farm.. why not go to DoA when you dont have favour, or go pvp yourself, you dont HAVE to farm FoW/UW, if you do, then why even play.. its stupid. make more of your time.
Retribution X
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and i bet you didnt give a s*** about europe when you had favour all the time.. territories dont care about each other.. thats kinda why it is made, eu has favour most of the time, because we have a wider time span, if you get what i mean.. we have more "awake" hours..
the only way that can really make it close to fair, is saying that am needs 3 wins in hoh, but eu needs 5. <--retarded idea, dont sign it >.<" dont bitch just because you cant farm.. why not go to DoA when you dont have favour, or go pvp yourself, you dont HAVE to farm FoW/UW, if you do, then why even play.. its stupid. make more of your time. |
He's From Europe, and My ideas don't support farming. (He can farm FoW/UW all the time.)
If you comment, Explain WHY you say what you do.
PvP only players Don't give a damn about PvE favor. Why the hell should they?
They don't participate in it, so they don't care.
And actually, I do care. I care about Taiwan who has only gotten favor once or twice. I care about those Korean players that can't play FoW/UW.
beanerman_99
*SIGH* Not everybody wants to get into UW or FoW just to frickin farm. I know that there are a lot of folks who do, but quit saying that the only reason people here want to get into these areas is to Farm.
Some of us would like to actually EXPLORE the area and see what there is to see.
I think favor is an outdated concept for Guild Wars and should be done away with. I will also go out on a limb and say I would like to be able to take my Hero/Hench team into these areas as well. I know you all will scream and holler about this idea and I don't care. To make you happy, maybe they could just allow heroes and henches in as a "weekend event".
I would like to be able to explore these areas without having to go through the massive headache of finding a PUG that is willing to just explore the area and do the quests there, not farm for ectos and drop whenever they feel like it.
Some of us would like to actually EXPLORE the area and see what there is to see.
I think favor is an outdated concept for Guild Wars and should be done away with. I will also go out on a limb and say I would like to be able to take my Hero/Hench team into these areas as well. I know you all will scream and holler about this idea and I don't care. To make you happy, maybe they could just allow heroes and henches in as a "weekend event".
I would like to be able to explore these areas without having to go through the massive headache of finding a PUG that is willing to just explore the area and do the quests there, not farm for ectos and drop whenever they feel like it.
Retribution X
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*SIGH* Not everybody wants to get into UW or FoW just to frickin farm. I know that there are a lot of folks who do, but quit saying that the only reason people here want to get into these areas is to Farm.
Some of us would like to actually EXPLORE the area and see what there is to see. |
Finally! Someone who understands what this entire thread is about.
I didn't propose this Idea so I can farm more, this idea is about having fun playing the game. I just wanna explore the FoW! Which is why I posted like having a kill count to enter, or maybe using balth faction, or paying more plat.
Big_Iron
I wish just once we could have a mature, intelligent discussion on this subject without it becoming an America vs. Europe flame war. Bottom line is the system is broke as it now stands. It’s not just about Europe and America. Think about Japan, Taiwan, and now even Korea, who never have favor.
And BTW, I like to go down there to explore as well. It's not just about farming either.
And BTW, I like to go down there to explore as well. It's not just about farming either.
Rakeman
Favor needs a fix. /signed
Franco Power
haha, you guys argueing with Lady whos r11 and has gotten you favor over 1000 times,
stop crying
you want favor ? Go earn it.
stop crying
you want favor ? Go earn it.
Bryant Again
When you're in the provinces Woody has named, they can't just switch territories, so they're totally plucked, non-stop.
But sadly, I really don't think ANet will do anything to "help" the Favor system. It may've seemed like a good idea on paper and it was actually "alright" (from what I remember) in the early days of Guild Wars.
I guess they won't change it because that's how things of been for awhile now. But if they can change the party-size to 6*, why not change how Favor works?
The OP's ideas, along with many others, seem harmless. But I fear they won't change it because "that's just the way it is".
*I'm not saying because they changed the play to 6v6 that they should change the favor system. I'm simply saying that if they can change a very core way of playing, they should have no qualms with changing other large game aspects.
But sadly, I really don't think ANet will do anything to "help" the Favor system. It may've seemed like a good idea on paper and it was actually "alright" (from what I remember) in the early days of Guild Wars.
I guess they won't change it because that's how things of been for awhile now. But if they can change the party-size to 6*, why not change how Favor works?
The OP's ideas, along with many others, seem harmless. But I fear they won't change it because "that's just the way it is".
*I'm not saying because they changed the play to 6v6 that they should change the favor system. I'm simply saying that if they can change a very core way of playing, they should have no qualms with changing other large game aspects.
Big_Iron
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Revan Bastille
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First of all, Anet will be making changes to the whole HA process. Who knows, maybe they'll change the whole 'favor' process too?
I'm on the American server, and while it's sometimes frustrating to see that Europe "always" has favor, it's fair imo. If you want favor (no matter your region), try getting a good HA group together and win the favor.
For example, last night, a couple guildmates and I won our first HoH each, and to top it off we also won the favor for America. It was an awesome feeling -- very addicting! Sure it's not easy, there are a lot of great players and guilds out there. If you stick with it though, it's definitely rewarding.
First of all, Anet will be making changes to the whole HA process. Who knows, maybe they'll change the whole 'favor' process too?
I'm on the American server, and while it's sometimes frustrating to see that Europe "always" has favor, it's fair imo. If you want favor (no matter your region), try getting a good HA group together and win the favor.
For example, last night, a couple guildmates and I won our first HoH each, and to top it off we also won the favor for America. It was an awesome feeling -- very addicting! Sure it's not easy, there are a lot of great players and guilds out there. If you stick with it though, it's definitely rewarding.
KESKI
I realy dont think its about FOW/UW anymore...
Its realy more of the human desire of the fruit that cant be reach....(or harder to reach)
my reason
1. FOW/UW is not the only end game in any of the GW(used to be, but tyria now have sf)
2. Most, and I mean like 90%+ most, people is not there for the fun of mission or quest, most of the FOW and UW regular dont even know the mission....I get someone said mission complete, after we free the Forge master...which is so not the end of FOW...and people that dont know there are evil mes horseman in UW(55 monk own every foes in UW...ya right).
3. I once come up with the thought that maybe people are just there for ecto and shard, to strick it rich and join the leet group. But believe it or not, having FOW/UW open wont make any one rich in the long run. Ecto and shard might be cheaper and eazier to get, but by all mean the poor wont score a rich. If someone is poor now, it most definaly have nothing to do with they cant farm FOW/UW 24/7...more of they simply dont have the stuff to be rich. As much as I hate to say it, one can get lucky and hit a million over night, but only one that is worthy will earn that million, and get his second million with the first million. Value of a bill means a lot more then the number on it.
4. If sadly #3 is the most case, well...I personaly believe pve does need some kind of lure. And that is all FOW/UW armor is. Its a lure
Again, I do believe there need some change with the favor system, under the stander "every nation have a fair chance to earn it" (come on..look at those asian server's population...and tell me they have a fair chance) The current, nation with most HA team win is....not realy what I have in mind as "fair".
But no, I dont see how FOW/UW open 24/7 will help pve in anyway at all, not in balance out the rich and the poor, or over all move the comunity to a positive direction.
there my 2 cent.
Now...can I say /not sign??
Its realy more of the human desire of the fruit that cant be reach....(or harder to reach)
my reason
1. FOW/UW is not the only end game in any of the GW(used to be, but tyria now have sf)
2. Most, and I mean like 90%+ most, people is not there for the fun of mission or quest, most of the FOW and UW regular dont even know the mission....I get someone said mission complete, after we free the Forge master...which is so not the end of FOW...and people that dont know there are evil mes horseman in UW(55 monk own every foes in UW...ya right).
3. I once come up with the thought that maybe people are just there for ecto and shard, to strick it rich and join the leet group. But believe it or not, having FOW/UW open wont make any one rich in the long run. Ecto and shard might be cheaper and eazier to get, but by all mean the poor wont score a rich. If someone is poor now, it most definaly have nothing to do with they cant farm FOW/UW 24/7...more of they simply dont have the stuff to be rich. As much as I hate to say it, one can get lucky and hit a million over night, but only one that is worthy will earn that million, and get his second million with the first million. Value of a bill means a lot more then the number on it.
4. If sadly #3 is the most case, well...I personaly believe pve does need some kind of lure. And that is all FOW/UW armor is. Its a lure
Again, I do believe there need some change with the favor system, under the stander "every nation have a fair chance to earn it" (come on..look at those asian server's population...and tell me they have a fair chance) The current, nation with most HA team win is....not realy what I have in mind as "fair".
But no, I dont see how FOW/UW open 24/7 will help pve in anyway at all, not in balance out the rich and the poor, or over all move the comunity to a positive direction.
there my 2 cent.
Now...can I say /not sign??
dj deviate
how about this then just remove the favour entry just make it open to all all the time
Keithark
1) Easy solution....no favor, free to enter for everyone who can get there. I wasn't around when America always had favor so I should be penalized?? NO!! Also PvP has no business affecting PvE.
2) For those who think it does, fine then make quest and mission completion in PvE gain points for that server, whichever server (american, euro, etc) has the most points gains favor and then the people in PvP on that servor get 10% morale boost and people not in favor get 60% dp at start of all PvP matches!! If it makes sense for PvP to affect PvE then the reverse must also be true.
2) For those who think it does, fine then make quest and mission completion in PvE gain points for that server, whichever server (american, euro, etc) has the most points gains favor and then the people in PvP on that servor get 10% morale boost and people not in favor get 60% dp at start of all PvP matches!! If it makes sense for PvP to affect PvE then the reverse must also be true.
Retribution X
think of it as this.
Anet makes it so PvP players MUST PvE for at LEAST an hour in order to access a PvP area for a limited about of time.
Is that fair?
No. So why do we have it for PvE?
Anet makes it so PvP players MUST PvE for at LEAST an hour in order to access a PvP area for a limited about of time.
Is that fair?
No. So why do we have it for PvE?
Shadow Kurd
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I remember when America and Korea had the favor all the time and Europe virtually had to beg to get favor once in a while. What goes around comes around! |
CassiusDrehyg
/notsigned
I now think that Europe should have favour 24/7. Europe never used to get favour, now you're getting a taste of your own medicine
I now think that Europe should have favour 24/7. Europe never used to get favour, now you're getting a taste of your own medicine
Keithark
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But no, I dont see how FOW/UW open 24/7 will help pve in anyway at all, not in balance out the rich and the poor, or over all move the comunity to a positive direction.
there my 2 cent. Now...can I say /not sign?? |
PPL like me is who it would help, "beat" all campaigns on the only 5 characters that I like/want to play, have green weapons on all the hero's that I use on each of my main characters, have the armor and swords/axe/staff/etc that I want and all that with still 4 months wait for next chapter, been playing GW for 6 months total...now what am I to do? Oh I know I can go to FoW or UW and check that out...oops no I can't because we don't have favor! I don't need ecto's, gold, or anything else like that I just want to do FoW and UW because in the 6 months I have had the game I have only been able to do FoW 2 times and UW 0 times, as said before take PvP influence out of PvE or put PvE influence into PvP so that at least it sucks for everone and not just for PvE players
CassiusDrehyg
Keep PvE players miserable, keep favour as it is.
Mister Muhkuh
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Hey!
This is a simple idea, born mostly because Europe Nearly ALWAYS has favor, and because America rarely gets favor. |
dear teacher,
my classmate is working hard for his good marks, I don't like to work for good marks. please don't give marks anymore...
/sarcasm
sorry, but...
it's been said before:
if you want favor work for it or change territory
cheers
Keithark
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if you want favor work for it or change territory
cheers |
as said before why should PvE players have to play PvP in order to get into a PvE area?? that is just DUMB. But if that is the case then make it where PvP players get to play PvP 1 hour for every hour they have played in PvE and then they can't get in until they go PvE some more...in other words if you want to PvP then "Work for it" as you stated above
CassiusDrehyg
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as said before why should PvE players have to play PvP in order to get into a PvE area?? that is just DUMB. But if that is the case then make it where PvP players get to play PvP 1 hour for every hour they have played in PvE and then they can't get in until they go PvE some more...in other words if you want to PvP then "Work for it" as you stated above
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Keithark
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If you can't work to get America favour, don't complain, because you don't deserve anything you don't work for.
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Why is everyone missing the point??? I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PVP TO PLAY IN A PVE AREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if it is considered "fair" or whatever that I should have to PvP to get into PvE area then why is it not "fair" for PvP players to have to PvE to get into PvP areas?
And lastly if I am "working" for it and I am on the team that "gets" the favor then I can't very well be in FoW or UW because I am too busy getting favor..it is a stupid system and should be removed
Big_Iron
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Why is everyone missing the point??? I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PVP TO PLAY IN A PVE AREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if it is considered "fair" or whatever that I should have to PvP to get into PvE area then why is it not "fair" for PvP players to have to PvE to get into PvP areas? And lastly if I am "working" for it and I am on the team that "gets" the favor then I can't very well be in FoW or UW because I am too busy getting favor..it is a stupid system and should be removed |
"Cool, I've captured HoH so I'll be leaving now to go play PvE."
/sarcasm
It'll NEVER happen! It's a flawed system and should be fixed.
HalPlantagenet
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*SIGH* Not everybody wants to get into UW or FoW just to frickin farm. I know that there are a lot of folks who do, but quit saying that the only reason people here want to get into these areas is to Farm.
Some of us would like to actually EXPLORE the area and see what there is to see. I think favor is an outdated concept for Guild Wars and should be done away with. I will also go out on a limb and say I would like to be able to take my Hero/Hench team into these areas as well. I know you all will scream and holler about this idea and I don't care. To make you happy, maybe they could just allow heroes and henches in as a "weekend event". I would like to be able to explore these areas without having to go through the massive headache of finding a PUG that is willing to just explore the area and do the quests there, not farm for ectos and drop whenever they feel like it. |
Nevertheless, in my humble opinion, they should keep it simple and drop the favor requirement for FOW and UW access completely. I belong to a small guild (4 players / 2 regular players) who have completed all three chapters including all the bonuses for two. We'd very much like to explore both areas but that is impossible at the moment. And, even if America begins to gain favor more regularly, checking to see, seems irrelevant, and doesn't engender any kind of national or "continental" feeling of pride or comraderie.
Arenanet: it really serves no useful purpose for PVE or PVP. Drop the favor requirement for access to FOW and UW. Thanks.