Hi,
I was just wandering what your opinion is of the optimal use of keyboard and mouse for playing GW. I am usually using the 1-8 and tab/c keys, and the mouse for moving and selecting certain foes. But I've read that the arrow keys can help you dodge or something like that.
What about you? Any tip/advice?
Thanks!
Optimal use of keyboard and mouse?
Fril Estelin
Enko
if you move around, you can dodge arrows and other projectiles. arrows and projectiles shoot ahead of you in the direction that you were moving when it was fired. so if you change directions in the meantime then it will miss.
LagunaCid
I use numbers for builds Im confortable with, and mouse for builds I dont know how to use yet
Grolubao
Buy an ergodex and you will have the best system out there...
leprekan
Mouse and keyboard? Not I! I have played gw so long now my frontal lobe has expanded to allow ESP functions to move my char. Then again it could just be really bad lag.
Phenick
i have stopped using my mouse for selecting as it takes focus off the screen, i have moved all my skills to the numpad with 1-2-3 being 4-5-6(nump) 4-5-6 being 7-8-9(nump) and 7 being +(nump, this is usually the skill i will use/need the most as it is accessed quickest from both rows) and skill 8 being -(nump, this is usually res sig so, i dont need fast timing with it)
i do nothing with my left hand other then WASD, CTRL and ALT, and space bar...
for targets, '0' on the num pad brings me to next attack target(i do use tab sometimes with my left hand for selecting specific targets such as boss monsters or monks) with 1 on the num pad being next item... obviously then space bar "does it"...
theres other things but those are the main changes and it has really streamlined combat for me
so my hand sits with this set up:
LEFT:
Thumb = space bar
Pointer = D
Middle = W
Ring = A
Pinky = Shift(habit from other games)
RIGHT:
Thumb = 0 button on the num pad
Pointer = 4 on the num pad
Middle = 5 on the num pad
Ring = 6 on the num pad
this all allows me easy access to all skills on a stack rather then in a long row
Pinky = + on the num pad
This also gives my right hand more to do and since the num pad is right next to my mouse i can switch back and forth fairly easy, durring combat i dont really use the mouse very much but im quick at doing whatever needs done and getting back to the num pad... not in combat i use the mouse as normal
i do nothing with my left hand other then WASD, CTRL and ALT, and space bar...
for targets, '0' on the num pad brings me to next attack target(i do use tab sometimes with my left hand for selecting specific targets such as boss monsters or monks) with 1 on the num pad being next item... obviously then space bar "does it"...
theres other things but those are the main changes and it has really streamlined combat for me
so my hand sits with this set up:
LEFT:
Thumb = space bar
Pointer = D
Middle = W
Ring = A
Pinky = Shift(habit from other games)
RIGHT:
Thumb = 0 button on the num pad
Pointer = 4 on the num pad
Middle = 5 on the num pad
Ring = 6 on the num pad
this all allows me easy access to all skills on a stack rather then in a long row
Pinky = + on the num pad
This also gives my right hand more to do and since the num pad is right next to my mouse i can switch back and forth fairly easy, durring combat i dont really use the mouse very much but im quick at doing whatever needs done and getting back to the num pad... not in combat i use the mouse as normal
Malice Black
I have to use mouse...broke my fingers on numerous occasions so they don't work all that well anymore.
Redfeather1975
When I decided to finally go restoration with my ritualist, using spells that target players to do damage and healing, I changed my top 1-8 number keys to select party members and my num pad keys to select skills.
Other than that change my layout is still default for everything else.
Other than that change my layout is still default for everything else.
Hand of Ruin
I never understood why people like WASD... it's aweful. I use arrow keys for movement, mouse for almost everything else.
Phenick
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I never understood why people like WASD... it's aweful. I use arrow keys for movement, mouse for almost everything else.
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Once you get used to it though it is much better and easier then the arrow keys could dream of(specially when talking about arm positioning)
Horuku
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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin
I never understood why people like WASD... it's aweful. I use arrow keys for movement, mouse for almost everything else.
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Mouse is only useful for spinning the camera if needed and clicking on party member names...mabye enemies'. The only problem with keyboard movement, and it's something I have found in lots of NCSoft games for some reason, is that if you try running around a cornor you will often times lag for no apparent reason. Though, it is not as bad as in other games, it can be annoying at key moments.
Hand of Ruin
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Originally Posted by Phenick
I havn't heard that one in a while. But for some games WASD is needed due to access to more keys around it. Try playing Counter-Strike with the arrow keys. Makes me shudder.
Once you get used to it though it is much better and easier then the arrow keys could dream of(specially when talking about arm positioning) |
Horuku
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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin
I do play CSS with arrow keys... if you actually move things around you can find a comfortable set up.
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Grolubao
Never needed so strafe in GW.
If u want a perfect example of good keyboard use check Tommy equals FTW from Team Quitters. Always before doing a healing spell he changes his weapon set... That's really freak
If u want a perfect example of good keyboard use check Tommy equals FTW from Team Quitters. Always before doing a healing spell he changes his weapon set... That's really freak
c_ras
Well...seeing how I use a laptop, things are a tad different. Pretty much all of my actions are done using the keyboard and shortcut keys.
My setup is as follows:
Left Hand
Pointer - Q (left strafe). Will use for T, C, R, and D (if needed)
Middle - W (don't really use unless using touchpad for something. Same goes for S)
Ring - E (right strafte), A key (if needed)
Pinky - nothing
Thumb - Space Bar
Right Hand
Pointer - Left Arrow key
Middle - Up Arrow Key
Ring - Right Arrow Key
Pinky - Again...nothing
Thumb - Nothing much
Skills 1-5 are done with left hand. 6-8 are done with right hand. F1-F4 weapon changes are done with left hand. About the only thing I use the touchpad (right hand) for is talking to people, picking up something, or flagging heroes (when flagging I use the WASD keys so I can continue to move around). Any of the other shortcuts aren't particularly important and don't really affect gameplay.
I use this setup and found it very comfortable as well as competitive. Whether doing PvE or PvP, I have not had any problems.
My setup is as follows:
Left Hand
Pointer - Q (left strafe). Will use for T, C, R, and D (if needed)
Middle - W (don't really use unless using touchpad for something. Same goes for S)
Ring - E (right strafte), A key (if needed)
Pinky - nothing
Thumb - Space Bar
Right Hand
Pointer - Left Arrow key
Middle - Up Arrow Key
Ring - Right Arrow Key
Pinky - Again...nothing
Thumb - Nothing much
Skills 1-5 are done with left hand. 6-8 are done with right hand. F1-F4 weapon changes are done with left hand. About the only thing I use the touchpad (right hand) for is talking to people, picking up something, or flagging heroes (when flagging I use the WASD keys so I can continue to move around). Any of the other shortcuts aren't particularly important and don't really affect gameplay.
I use this setup and found it very comfortable as well as competitive. Whether doing PvE or PvP, I have not had any problems.
Taurucis
I almost only use my left hand for GW, even though I'm right handed. I activate skills with left hand, strafe, move, the only thing I use my right hand (mouse) is targeting things and whirling the camera around. I have my weapon slots set to "m , . ;" because I wanted F1, F2, F3, and so on to be target my party members. So I mostly use my left hand for playing GW and my right hand does all the extras.
Waakku
I also use my left hand for everything. I only use right hand when I want to press enter to talk and I also write with both hands. I need the right hand to hold the right mouse button since I hold it always when I move. 
And I hardly ever use mouse for anything else than looking around.
And I hardly ever use mouse for anything else than looking around.
lightblade
Never use keyboard for movement. NEVER! The backward movement not only awkward, but it is slow!!! It's a lot better to just click and have your character turn around and run.
Blackest Rose
My contribution to this thread - is to use a mouse with configurable buttons.
I'm using a logitech gx mouse with the stardard mouse buttons but also 2 extra on the side are set up to "select target" and "next target"
This allows me to move swiftly from foe to foe without my eyes ever leaving the screen.
This is a really nice and speedy plus.
Other than that standard WASD fare - I mix clicking on skill icons and punching the numbers. I think both are pretty viable speed wise.
I'm using a logitech gx mouse with the stardard mouse buttons but also 2 extra on the side are set up to "select target" and "next target"
This allows me to move swiftly from foe to foe without my eyes ever leaving the screen.
This is a really nice and speedy plus.
Other than that standard WASD fare - I mix clicking on skill icons and punching the numbers. I think both are pretty viable speed wise.
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by lightblade
Never use keyboard for movement. NEVER! The backward movement not only awkward, but it is slow!!! It's a lot better to just click and have your character turn around and run.
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strafe and backing up, loosing him on a bodyblock by another is mway better to deal with attackers
TheRaven
I have pretty strong feelings about this one. I say the optimal setup is whatever you are comfortable using. Threads like this one are good for learning different ways that your interface can be controlled, but ultimately it's a personal preference and what works well for 1 person may feel very awkward to you.
I use the keyboard exclusively to move my char around and to target and attack. I only use the mouse to click on my skills. I rarely use the number keys for skills, however if I am using a running build where I'll almost never attack I'll switch to numbers for the skills.
Here's a funny story... I was in a group with some guildies doing one of the jungle missions in Prophecies. We were zooming right along killing monsters left and right when we noticed that one of our group had lagged behind. His screenname was greyed out off the radar. Here's an approximate of the conversation that followed....
Us: "Hey, Will! Where are you?"
Us: "Will, you there? Are you AFK"
Us: "Will?"
Will: "Arrrrghghhhh!!!!"
Will: "Just finish without me"
Us: "What's wrong?"
Will: "My dog just knocked the mouse off the desk"
Us: "ROFL!"
Will: "It's in pieces on the floor."
Us: "LOL"
Us: "Bad Dog!"
Will: "I can't move my character."
Us: "ROFL! Hey, Will, 1 word: Keyboard"
Us: "Yeah, just use the keyboard and catch up."
Will: "I can't. I need the mouse to move."
Us: "Use the arrow keys to move!"
Well, Will eventually tried the cursor keys and caught up but he didn't play very well with them at all. I'm the exact opposite. I've tried moving/running with the mouse and just cannot get the hang of it.
I use the keyboard exclusively to move my char around and to target and attack. I only use the mouse to click on my skills. I rarely use the number keys for skills, however if I am using a running build where I'll almost never attack I'll switch to numbers for the skills.
Here's a funny story... I was in a group with some guildies doing one of the jungle missions in Prophecies. We were zooming right along killing monsters left and right when we noticed that one of our group had lagged behind. His screenname was greyed out off the radar. Here's an approximate of the conversation that followed....
Us: "Hey, Will! Where are you?"
Us: "Will, you there? Are you AFK"
Us: "Will?"
Will: "Arrrrghghhhh!!!!"
Will: "Just finish without me"
Us: "What's wrong?"
Will: "My dog just knocked the mouse off the desk"
Us: "ROFL!"
Will: "It's in pieces on the floor."
Us: "LOL"
Us: "Bad Dog!"
Will: "I can't move my character."
Us: "ROFL! Hey, Will, 1 word: Keyboard"
Us: "Yeah, just use the keyboard and catch up."
Will: "I can't. I need the mouse to move."
Us: "Use the arrow keys to move!"
Well, Will eventually tried the cursor keys and caught up but he didn't play very well with them at all. I'm the exact opposite. I've tried moving/running with the mouse and just cannot get the hang of it.
Daysy
One thing that would make life easier is being able to set a default camera angle to a key. It's most annoying ending up in overhead view (like after being resurrected) and then having to fiddle with the mouse to get the proper angle again.
crimsonfilms
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Originally Posted by lightblade
Never use keyboard for movement. NEVER! The backward movement not only awkward, but it is slow!!! It's a lot better to just click and have your character turn around and run.
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And keyboard allows you to strafe to reduce damage while being trained. You can't strafe properly with mouse.
lightblade
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
And you wonder why they make such nice criticals on you?
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Xero Silvam
this is what I use primarily for monk.
[targetting, movement]
Tab= Nearest foe, (ring finger, pinky)
Q= Next foe, (ring)
W= forward, (middle finger)
A= strave left, (ring)
S= backward, (middle finer)
D= strave right, (pointer)
[skill activation]
1-8= skills, (only use 1-4, and 5 if my hand is closer to there than x)
x= skill 5, (middle)
left alt= skill 6, (thumb)
f= skill 7, (pointer)
c= skill 8 , (pointer)
[gear]
f1-4 are weapon sets.
f1= shield/melee weapon of fortitude combo, (middle)
f2= focus/melee weapon of enchanting combo, (middle)
f3= high energy set, (pointer)
f4= energy hiding set. (pointer)
shift is vent.
Movement is mostly right-mouse and a/w/d/s. Targetting is really easy as a monk for keeping an eye on enemies (press q and e respectivly) to powerdrain stuff.
it's not that hard, I do this for enchantments. :-( If you do it often enough you get used to it. As a monk, using a mouse isn't the greatest idea of movement since you need to focus on the wrong section of the screen. (battleground) instead of your selected target (in my case warriors, so I can see spikes coming) and the party screen. You should also have a enlarged compass so you don't even need to look at the screen to know the positioning.
[targetting, movement]
Tab= Nearest foe, (ring finger, pinky)
Q= Next foe, (ring)
W= forward, (middle finger)
A= strave left, (ring)
S= backward, (middle finer)
D= strave right, (pointer)
[skill activation]
1-8= skills, (only use 1-4, and 5 if my hand is closer to there than x)
x= skill 5, (middle)
left alt= skill 6, (thumb)
f= skill 7, (pointer)
c= skill 8 , (pointer)
[gear]
f1-4 are weapon sets.
f1= shield/melee weapon of fortitude combo, (middle)
f2= focus/melee weapon of enchanting combo, (middle)
f3= high energy set, (pointer)
f4= energy hiding set. (pointer)
shift is vent.
Movement is mostly right-mouse and a/w/d/s. Targetting is really easy as a monk for keeping an eye on enemies (press q and e respectivly) to powerdrain stuff.
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Patrick Smit
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If you're running so slow, they're just going to attack and kill you anyway. If you're running faster than attacker, you won't get hit, so where's the critical come from? If you're running slower than attacker, what's the point of running anyway?
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Believe me 1.4 times max damage. or a nice backup taking some average damage with the benefit of a shield is way better (as i said making sure u stop them by using another as bodyblock), but you better flee ^^
jaibas17
for gvg, mostly I use keys 1-4, tab, c, v, x, alt, ctrl, space, and mouse buttons. thats all
Swamprob
I received a z-board for xmas and it's the bomb. It took me about two days before I found it preferable to a regular keyboard, and now I have trouble playing without the z-board. Totally customizable, and very worthwhile, and usable for many games.
Brother Andicus
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Originally Posted by Grolubao
Never needed so strafe in GW.
If u want a perfect example of good keyboard use check Tommy equals FTW from Team Quitters. Always before doing a healing spell he changes his weapon set... That's really freak |
And all good monks focus swap, so its not freaky at all. Its not quite as prevelant as it used to be as there are less drain mesmers about, but I guess Tommy just likes to keep in good habits.
Alex Morningstar
8 button mouse ftw.
Ulivious The Reaper
ooh i use both.. mouse for selecting (unless its called then i instantly hit T) and keyboard for movement/strafing.. all tho i hear mouse has some advantages over keyboard while moving..
Phenick
What about Zoom Level? what level does everyone use?
I used to have a middle zoom where it fealt very 3rd person but not WAYY out there, now i use a really close up one because when in PvE it helps me feel more involved...
I used to have a middle zoom where it fealt very 3rd person but not WAYY out there, now i use a really close up one because when in PvE it helps me feel more involved...
roku-dragonslayer
How do you set up to have the numbers select that party member on a normal keyboard?
Jeff Highwind
Keyboard = movement, kiting, skills, targeting, zoom, all that good rot.
Mouse= smoother camera movement, compass commands.
Mouse= smoother camera movement, compass commands.
Taurucis
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How do you set up to have the numbers select that party member on a normal keyboard?
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Firebaall
Check out a Nostromo N52 Speedpad.
Built like a tank, and has macro support!
Built like a tank, and has macro support!
Rhedd
Phht.
If you're going to drag this conversation off onto peripherals, on page one, Grolubao mentioned the PERFECT device; an Ergodex.
I bought one recently, and it's one of those things like electricity and microwaves. You wonder how humans lived before they were invented. ^_^
http://www.ergodex.com
If you're going to drag this conversation off onto peripherals, on page one, Grolubao mentioned the PERFECT device; an Ergodex.
I bought one recently, and it's one of those things like electricity and microwaves. You wonder how humans lived before they were invented. ^_^
http://www.ergodex.com
Grolubao
Here's a pic of my setup for GW: