Petition: Penalty system for RA leavers

Did I search? yes

What did I find? A million threads that Anet has ignored over the past 2 years.

Getting a team of 4 people in RA is not only frustrating these days, it's near impossible. Non-monks leave when their team has no monk, and monks leave if their team has 2 monks, or no damage. More than half of my glad points came from teams which have had little to no healing. Hell, I got one the other day for fighting 10 straight teams of leavers, and all we had was 4 warriors and assassins.

Random Arenas is a part of Guild Wars and deserves attention.

I propose Arenanet instates a 10-minute account ban for the first person to leave an RA team. At 10 minutes, intentional leavers will be disabled long enough that farming glad points will be faster if they stay anyway.

Also, most real life emergencies take longer than 10 minutes, so people leaving for legit reasons won't be affcted by the 10 minute ban.

Please /sign or /notsign and leave your comments, ideas, or suggestions.
~Shard

I could see the time on the ban being changed, maybe to 15-20 minutes, otherwise I don't see a single downside to this. It will keep games real rather than just a big farming session like everywhere else.

/signed

/notsign

If I 007, why should I get banned for x amount of minutes?

/signed

Will never happen though and has been mentioned on here many times before.

I agree. They need also to put in the "Are you sure?" window that you will not be able to participate in another battle for 10 minutes. That way they know. Also if the person F12's, it should apply as well.

They should only be blocked from RA for the duration though. They may be called to do GVG or PVE with guildies, so then it wouldn't matter to them anyway.

Of course, some will just circumvent it by exiting the program altogether, but that's still enough of an inconvenience. Some will just stand around until the team loses. But in the long run it should get more people to give their team a chance.

@holababe: it would only apply to people who intentionally map out or F12.

I've never left a RA-Match, but i dislike the idea with the 10 min ban.
Why?

Mr. Whammo doesn't like his team. He also doesn't like the ban. So he just sits down... for the rest of the group the effect is the same, for Mr. Whammo there is even an advantage, if the team should win the match...

/notsign

/signed for prevention of leaver's joining next PvP-match for 10 minutes, but not for 10 minutes account ban.

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Best Regards,
Ung

A ten minute ban for quitting is a bit much. And don't forget sometimes people err7 or have a legit reason for quitting the team(rare but it can happen). And I have had a number of things that pulled me away from the PC that didn't take 10 minutes.

How about you lose all the faction that you earned in that battle and if you didn't earn any, you are penalized 100-500 points or something like that.

Another option would be a shame title that you can't remove for X amount of time. For example if someone on the other team has the quitter title on him, any time he is killed, he's worth double XP and faction (and he can be killed extra times for faction/XP depending on the severity of the title) or he can't gain any XP/faction/glad points/HA points from PvP while he has it up.


BTW, jaakon has a good point. If someone doesn't want to pvp with a group, you can't force him to do a good job. Imagine you get the map where the team with the most kills win and he intentionally lets his PC die fast and as many times as possible.

/signed

I'll say this once. Guild wars can tell the differense between a 007 and a "rough" exit (IE when you close the program, turn of your computer etc) and can tell how the connection was broken/how you left. so if you get a 007 you wont get a 10 minute ban.

/notsigned

Can we have a penalty system for people posting this thread over and freaking over?

You did a search and obviously found similar threads, but you obviously didnt read the countless replies in those threads saying....

....leavers arent always genuine leavers.

They could be afk, disconnected, lagging and any other number of reasons. People might even have a good reason to suddenly leave.

You cant punish people who just leave. Its not fair to those who had good reason or were effected by connection issues.

We need to fix it by giving us a replacement to the leaver.

For instance using a players identical profession hero in their place, if that player has one and a free hero slot.

/not signed

This idea was just as stupid as all the other Punish RA leavers thread.

Search - If your idea was posted before, do not post it again. Post in a thread if you have new input.
I'll mention the reasons for not to have this, just because i'm in a good mood.

1) Legit leaving should not be punished, dinner, connection error etc..
2) You cannot force players to play, they can just be afk in the match instead then, then you didn't fix anything.
3) If you want serious teammembers, go play TA/HA/GVG and maybe even AB.
Friendslist is your friend.

Now close this, once and for all.

oh noes, shard is complaining about RA. It just made my day.
But seriously, are you trying to make fun, right ?

Now thats new for me 5 person RA?

Is this a joke thread? RA and TA are rediculous, doing this would make wammos all over the world cry.

Implace a system for 10 minute penaltys everytime somebody makes a thread about penaltys for RA/TA leavers.

I get a leaver maybe one out of 20 matches. And often it's totally legit.
/notsigned for overexaggerating and taking RA seriously.

/signed for a 10 min ban for PvP areas only true leaving before the end of the fight.
This way:
- If you leave, you can still play PVE.
- If you err7, you can still play PVP and PVE.
- If your team doesn't suit you, you can leave with no penalty at the end of the fight, so the left team will have a replacer and you will be able to try to find another team.


Why signed?
Because if you have a dinner, you don't begin a fight.
Because if you have legit reason to leave, then 10 minutes access ban for PvP areas won't hurt you much, as you probably won't return before the 10 minutes mark.
Because leaving or Err7'ing IS recognizable for A-Net so "legit" leaver won't be hurted.
Because despite all what is said, ragequitters are a majority over a really tiny minority of legit leavers who wouldn't get hurt by this rule.
Because sportsmanship should be the rule, with fair play players rewarded and leavers punished.
Because I'm sick of people in the guild I join not willing to PvP because of their experience in RA.
RA is often the starting ground of many. With its current state, many newcomers categorize RA players as morons, leavers and griefers (which is true), and make this generalization on all the other PvP styles from their RA experience.

For those who said "RA is not serious", either you play TA or higher and so this thread doesn't affect you, either you should ask for a RA removal (because it's not serious), or either you're one of these frequent leavers.

Make RA a safe place where newcomers will have a good feeling about PvP.

For info I don't play that much in RA cause I was disgusted about this moronic place. Only TA and GvG for now....

/signed, but I would make this for any situation (RA, any other PvP, PvE). If the problem you are encountering is urgent enough for you to abandon your party, then it is urgent enough for you to wait 10 minutes before playing again, IMO.

If the "genuine" reason for them leaving is so important, they can wait ten minutes to play again. It at least gives them something to think about before they map travel out.

Legit or not, the purpose is to discourage leaving, and this is something the people with 'legit' reasons should be aware of and accept if they do have to leave in a hurry. I don't think 10 minutes is the end of the world anyway, and the price people would have to pay would solve a lot of the issues with RA, mainly 'spike joining'.

To address your second point, I don't really see this happening. Afking would take more time to do than going head-first into battle, which most of the time is what people do anyway. So long as they do some damage while trying to suicide, I'm happy (pictures BiP sacrificers and shudders). Eventually the players that don't get along with the idea that you actually need a self-sufficient build in RA will change their minds, or leave. Then they won't have to worry about the relatively small chance of a Monk ending up on their team.

On your third note, I'm going to have to throw the 'casual gamer' remark - even though I have plenty of experience in the other fields of play. RA is different for me as it means I can just stay off vent, not bother communicating with anyone, and just concentrate on doing my own thing, and most importantly, in my own time. If 10 minutes really bothers you that much, well, you said it yourself:

The temporary ban should only be for RA though, not any other arena as they are not related whatsoever.

All leaving is legit. Stop playing police.

I'm not playing anything here - this is, after all, a suggestion forum and I'm simply posting my view on it. All leaving is legit until Anet decides otherwise.

Ok, seriously, your solution by banning first person who leaves a RA team can't help at all.
Some examples :
-Player has to go, but he doesn't want to be banned because his son/friend wants to play RA soon on his account after that, so he is just afk the rest of the match.
-Your team lose badly, and only one person left with no res. But he is a runner who runs around while the other team doesn't have snare skill. Or he is a tank and other team has all tank too, which means no one can kill anyone. In both situations, no one can finish the match, so people ( include winning team and losing team) will just rage quit because 25 Factions don't worth the time you spent. Does it count as leaver ?
There are a lot more examples, which make impossible to do this idea. You can't obligate people to play because it just makes the game frustrating and annoying. You have to live with it because it is Random Arena.

[QUOTE=linhlh]Ok, seriously, your solution by banning first person who leaves a RA team can't help at all.
Some examples :
-Player has to go, but he doesn't want to be banned because his son/friend wants to play RA soon on his account after that, so he is just afk the rest of the match.
/QUOTE]
He has just to wait til the end of the fight. Average fight duration in RA is 2 minutes.
It has been asked for a long time now to implement a time limit for RA fights. It could be implemented the same way.
Whatever example you could find, 10 minutes ban is completely ridiculous compared to the time you spend playing. In addition, there are not so many legit reasons to leave. Most have been answered and considered. The others represent , what, 0.00000001% of the current leaving?
Don't try to justify leaving. That's just like justifying scamming or AFKing or Botting.
I myself left many crap teams in RA, but ALWAYS AT THE END OF THE FIGHT.
Just wait 1:30 minutes and fight as you can, that's not that hard, you damn leaver.
I personally stopped RA. I do scrimmage or TA in place. I don't even test anymore builds in this stupid place, zaishen challenges are enough for me.

Not signed, I agree to many objections made from the point of view of "legit" leavers. I dont like leavers that obviously leave cause there is no monk, but i Rather punish them by them not being able to gain balth faction then by them being absent. I dont think there is a proper solution unless u link it to "leaving" statistics, more then a couple of leaves on your account within a given time gives u a ban or inability to gain balth. It must be accountwide in order to prevent relogs and such.

/signed, but maybe with a 5 min penalty instead of 10.

5 minutes is enough time for you to finish eating dinner, reboot if you were kicked, feed the cats, go to the bathroom, get your drink, whatever it is that took you away from the fight.

It is also enough time to gauge whether you wish to stay and finish the fight (matches are usually less than 5 mins anyway). If you have a runner on the other team, and you can't kill him, how long do you wait before quitting? I'd wager you waste 5 minutes or more trying, before mapping out, am I right?

Once again, those who say RA is stupid and worthless? Stay out of it then. Keep your leet ranked bum in HA and let us casual players have a slightly better chance of testing a build which may one day be good enough for a higher level of PvP. That's what it's for.

I mean he just goes afk, is an afker better than a leaver ?

Assume the time limit is 10 mins, so we have to wait and watch the wamo tanking for 10 mins to "be allowed" to quit, right ?
yes, it is "only" 10 mins, but it is very annoying. It makes people feel obligate to play.

/notsigned..

They will just sit down, run in circles.

There are a lot of legit reasons to leave, I know I often find myself pulled away and often its less than 10 minutes. But whats a good way of spotting a legit leaver from someone being annoying or leaving due to teams?
Ive always felt someone along the lines of if someone leaves x times in y mins they get z min ban. This way the one off quit from someone answering the phone or whatever isnt punished. But if someone continually leaves then its most likely they are indeed doing it for personal gain.

Something like 2 games quit in 30 mins gets you a 10 min ban or something. Just seems to allow for real life issues while still stopping those who are hunting for the "perfect" team.

Of course with the number of tanks and runners it still would be easy to reach that limit, but thats a different topic

Simple and effective. I signed for something like this before in this thread.

Ladies ang gentlemen, remember, that some of these "notsigned"-guys ("RA is for fun", "go play TA/HA" etc.) can be those leavers that leave us in the fight every day and every match.

Simple prevention of joining PvP-match for 10 minutes after the leaving is not strict, so there are no reasons to "not sign" if we want to save Random Arenas.

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Best Regards,
Ung

Creating another thread doesn't draw a company's attention to an idea any faster than posting in an older thread featuring the same concept. This is why, rather than creating a new thread, you should find the most mentally stimulating previous thread on the subject and insert your feedback there. New threads create clutter and organizational catastrophes for moderators, and nobody likes a catastrophe (unless that somebody is a Commie. BLASTED REDS!).