Best Sword
waylander the slay
Can any one help answer a question for me which do you think is the best sword for a warrior Mallyx's Edge or the Forgotten Sword
Arkantos
Mallyx' Edge is better, furious > sundering anyday.
Marth Reynolds
i'd have to say malyx's edge because of the furious mod and skin.
both look better for female warriors IMO
both look better for female warriors IMO
iCe X
Mallyx' Edge will be most ppl choice since it is the more demanded sword atm... 
clawofcrimson
meh...furious is not very good imo... double adren 1/10 hits...bleh
and I like the unique look of forgotten better than malyx edge... even though its 1000 times harder to get.
and I like the unique look of forgotten better than malyx edge... even though its 1000 times harder to get.
-.-
Shak-Jaren's Sword is better than both. Zealous ftw.
Stormlord Alex
Are we forgetting Victo's blade? Vamp and 5k? 
clawofcrimson
obviously the best sword depends on opinion and play style...pick whatever you like to look at...and what has your favorite mod...
...before this turns into a mod face off again....
...before this turns into a mod face off again....
Shadowfox1125
The whole purpose of this thread is a mod face off.. I could care less about the skin; both of them are a little iffy for me.
I'll take Furious over Sundering.
I'll take Furious over Sundering.
Age
Don't forget about both of Grognar's swords as they are good.The best I would say is cruel then sundering fallowed by furiouse and cripple.Cruel is good for those deep wounds.
Arkantos
Please remember he's not asking whats better based on looks, he's asking whats better based on stats. 
Age
Stat wise cruel or furiouse then sundering.l
Effigy
Cruel mod is useless on a warrior. Your target should be dying before the deep wound duration can run out.
Furious is generally going to be more useful than sundering.
Furious is generally going to be more useful than sundering.
Shining_Zeal
i would go for mallyx's edge cuz its stats are uber and it looks uber
clawofcrimson
This discussion is rediculous in my opinion... because it all depends on the build you are using....
If you go w/e with a conjure spell (also good to have on hand for fighting warriors and such) = definitely an elemental sword
If you have an adrenaline intensive build (10adren req skills) = furious
If you just want consistant damage and you dont mind swapping/healing = vamp (please no mending... :P )
If you want an all around no hassle mod which increases damage slightly = sundering
If you feel that the conditions you are using need to be extended = condition mod (although I would not recommend this one...your target should be dead before the extended time starts to kick in...on a cruel mod especially)
edit: forgot zealous....wonder why...oh yeah...never use it...except for solo FOW runs... kaolin sword ftw
If you go w/e with a conjure spell (also good to have on hand for fighting warriors and such) = definitely an elemental sword
If you have an adrenaline intensive build (10adren req skills) = furious
If you just want consistant damage and you dont mind swapping/healing = vamp (please no mending... :P )
If you want an all around no hassle mod which increases damage slightly = sundering
If you feel that the conditions you are using need to be extended = condition mod (although I would not recommend this one...your target should be dead before the extended time starts to kick in...on a cruel mod especially)
edit: forgot zealous....wonder why...oh yeah...never use it...except for solo FOW runs... kaolin sword ftw
Dutch Masterr
firey/icy/shocking/ebon sword vs. warriors..
furious/sundering/vamp for everything else
zealous...eh, warriors shouldnt have energy problems
mallyx's edge is a nicer skin but i like sundering on swords and furious for axes..
forgotten sword..i absolutley hate it. its so tiny i could break it over my knee...but thats my opinion.
furious/sundering/vamp for everything else
zealous...eh, warriors shouldnt have energy problems
mallyx's edge is a nicer skin but i like sundering on swords and furious for axes..
forgotten sword..i absolutley hate it. its so tiny i could break it over my knee...but thats my opinion.
Tingi
Zealous mod is by far my favourite dutch masterr
furious is meh - would be so cool if they made it a 20% chance because 10% sucks a bit...
vamp is as always awsome
elemental always good vs wars
and sundering I generally don't use - even though it's a fairly nice mod for easy going PvE lol...but I don't PvE that much
furious is meh - would be so cool if they made it a 20% chance because 10% sucks a bit...
vamp is as always awsome
elemental always good vs wars
and sundering I generally don't use - even though it's a fairly nice mod for easy going PvE lol...but I don't PvE that much
clawofcrimson
In case you were wondering about the stats
~~~~sundering/vamp ~~~~~~~~~
lets say we are attacking a 100 armour vs physical (80 vs ele) warrior and we hit him 5 times....with average base damage of 30 (consistant)
sundering= (1/5 hits with 20%) -15,-15,-15,-15,-21 = -81 damage
vamp= (always 3 damage) -18,-18,-18,-18,-18,= -90 damage
on a level 60 armour target (monk etc...)
sundering= (1/5 hits with 20%) -30,-30,-30,-30,-37 = -157 damage
vamp= (always 3 damage) -33,-33,-33,-33,-33,= -165 damage
~~~~elemental~~~~~~~
on the same warrior with an elemental weapon= -21,-21,-21,-21,-21,= 105 (greater than vamp and sunder)
~~~furious~~~~
1 out of 10 hits with your sword will give you 50pts instead of 25... NOT the same as a strike of adrn...
for a more detailed description of how adrn. works see this site
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Adrenaline
~~~~zealous~~~
9 seconds attacking at normal sword speed (1.33 sec)
with zealous mod= 1pip of energy (1pt /3sec) and 7 hits with the sword ....3e+ =10 energy gain
without = 2pips .....= 6 energy gain
~~~~cruel (other conditions as well)~~~~~
gash = 17 seconds of deep wound (12swdmnshp) without cruel mod.... 23 with cruel mod...
things to consider:
vamp: overall pretty good damage
ele: will do well against wars obviously but not other classes (combined with conjure spell for good damage)
sunder: its about chance...which means it could to more damage than above...or it could do less..
furious: also about chance...but only 10%..the overall gain is not impressive...needs a buff imho
cruel: 5 more seconds of deep wound? he should be dead within 17..so..meh
zealous: of course depends on build ...but usually wars arent energy intensive
vamp wins out on damage every time.... its just annoying to keep health up/switch weapons
~~~~sundering/vamp ~~~~~~~~~
lets say we are attacking a 100 armour vs physical (80 vs ele) warrior and we hit him 5 times....with average base damage of 30 (consistant)
sundering= (1/5 hits with 20%) -15,-15,-15,-15,-21 = -81 damage
vamp= (always 3 damage) -18,-18,-18,-18,-18,= -90 damage
on a level 60 armour target (monk etc...)
sundering= (1/5 hits with 20%) -30,-30,-30,-30,-37 = -157 damage
vamp= (always 3 damage) -33,-33,-33,-33,-33,= -165 damage
~~~~elemental~~~~~~~
on the same warrior with an elemental weapon= -21,-21,-21,-21,-21,= 105 (greater than vamp and sunder)
~~~furious~~~~
1 out of 10 hits with your sword will give you 50pts instead of 25... NOT the same as a strike of adrn...
for a more detailed description of how adrn. works see this site
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Adrenaline
~~~~zealous~~~
9 seconds attacking at normal sword speed (1.33 sec)
with zealous mod= 1pip of energy (1pt /3sec) and 7 hits with the sword ....3e+ =10 energy gain
without = 2pips .....= 6 energy gain
~~~~cruel (other conditions as well)~~~~~
gash = 17 seconds of deep wound (12swdmnshp) without cruel mod.... 23 with cruel mod...
things to consider:
vamp: overall pretty good damage
ele: will do well against wars obviously but not other classes (combined with conjure spell for good damage)
sunder: its about chance...which means it could to more damage than above...or it could do less..
furious: also about chance...but only 10%..the overall gain is not impressive...needs a buff imho
cruel: 5 more seconds of deep wound? he should be dead within 17..so..meh
zealous: of course depends on build ...but usually wars arent energy intensive
vamp wins out on damage every time.... its just annoying to keep health up/switch weapons
Age
Quote:
Originally Posted by Effigy
Cruel mod is useless on a warrior. Your target should be dying before the deep wound duration can run out.
Furious is generally going to be more useful than sundering. If you did some testing on mods like I did you would find out that cruel is better for a good deep wound and furiouse is good to build up adrenaline or pump it up.Cruel though will give enough of a deep to be satisfactory and it is at 33%Sword mods CruelI have tested it in RA,TAand AB.I have used cruel on axes as well and it can pretty good and doing good deep wounds.
Furious is generally going to be more useful than sundering. If you did some testing on mods like I did you would find out that cruel is better for a good deep wound and furiouse is good to build up adrenaline or pump it up.Cruel though will give enough of a deep to be satisfactory and it is at 33%Sword mods CruelI have tested it in RA,TAand AB.I have used cruel on axes as well and it can pretty good and doing good deep wounds.
SparhawkJC
cruel is useless, if your target isn't dead during the regular duration of your deep wound you suck and a couple extra seconds isn't going to make you better.
i Valinor
i prefer the furious over the sundering. ya sundering might trigger more often but its only 20% more damage on 11-22damage (im not even going to get into the actual math on this) as where the furiour powers up the higher +damage skills faster giving me a better control over my damage output IMO.
my second choice is vamp, doing 3 life drain on every hit and gain that much life is pretty great, its constant and reliable.
my second choice is vamp, doing 3 life drain on every hit and gain that much life is pretty great, its constant and reliable.
Winstar
Furious can be good in certain setups, like triggering on a dragon slash and things of that ilk, but otherwise its not worth it imo. On paper anyway, vamp yields the highest dps but there are drawbacks to consider depending on what you are doing in the game (pvp or whatever). Elemental mods can also be very useful in certain contexts (negating armour bonues v phys). Sundering is a safe mod and can lead to some nicer spike damage even if, theoretically, it does less damage over time than vamp.
Winstar
double post...sorry
Thom Bangalter
This thread is kinda fail.
Zealous if you need energy.
Vamp if you want raw DPS.
Sundering if you don't want to deal with -1 degen (QQ says sundering is good, And I believe them)
Elemental if they have a resistance to physical damage.
Zealous if you need energy.
Vamp if you want raw DPS.
Sundering if you don't want to deal with -1 degen (QQ says sundering is good, And I believe them)
Elemental if they have a resistance to physical damage.
Effigy
I've been wondering about that myself, Thom. I see a lot of GvG players using sundering weapons, even from high ranked guilds. I can't figure it out, to be honest, after all the threads and calculations showing that vamp has more raw DPS. Perhaps there's more to sundering than it seems?
Did QQ say why they like it?
Did QQ say why they like it?
Moa Bird Cultist
It's one less thing to worry about during the downtime between fights. IMO, Sundering is FTL.
Zealous is FTW in an IaS build, otherwise, it is almost useless, (it makes absolutely no difference at all at a regular attack speed )
Vampiric is just pure win if you dont mind swapping...
Shocking and Icy are good elemental mods because those damage types arent usually anticipated as much in PvP. Makes no difference in PvE other than the area you're in.
Fiery and Ebon aren't as good because people take armour Vs fire and earth, cause of two ele elites... Again, totally irrelevant in PvE
Cruel is... ok at the best of times - not bad against bosses in pve with self heals, as it cuts the power of said heal while you maintain the pressure.
Barbed is great for PvE pressure oriented builds - at maximum swordsmanship, this gives you about 10 extra seconds of bleeding on an oponent - an extra 60 damage over time provided it doesn't get removed - hence, useful in PvE against high health, high armour targets like bosses.
Crippling is muahahahahasville vs squishies, but honestly, if you haven't killed them before the cripple would have run out, you either REALLY suck, or are just plain unlucky...
Furious is for dragon slash warriors only. That is all.
Those are my guns, and I'm sticking to them.
Zealous is FTW in an IaS build, otherwise, it is almost useless, (it makes absolutely no difference at all at a regular attack speed
)Vampiric is just pure win if you dont mind swapping...
Shocking and Icy are good elemental mods because those damage types arent usually anticipated as much in PvP. Makes no difference in PvE other than the area you're in.
Fiery and Ebon aren't as good because people take armour Vs fire and earth, cause of two ele elites...
Again, totally irrelevant in PvECruel is... ok at the best of times - not bad against bosses in pve with self heals, as it cuts the power of said heal while you maintain the pressure.
Barbed is great for PvE pressure oriented builds - at maximum swordsmanship, this gives you about 10 extra seconds of bleeding on an oponent - an extra 60 damage over time provided it doesn't get removed - hence, useful in PvE against high health, high armour targets like bosses.
Crippling is muahahahahasville vs squishies, but honestly, if you haven't killed them before the cripple would have run out, you either REALLY suck, or are just plain unlucky...
Furious is for dragon slash warriors only. That is all.
Those are my guns, and I'm sticking to them.
A Leprechaun
Zealous does make a differance at regular attack speed, I use zealous a lot of the time and i think its great, mabye not for uber-competitive PvP but im not into that. But for relaxed PvE its awsome it just opens up more options to play around with e.g.
Warrior: "Wow necro skills look so fun, but i havent got enough energy regen, this makes me sad"
ZealoMan " dont cry little one, here use this zealous mod it will give you all the energy you need to play with those fun skills!"
Warrior: " Yay! go ZealoMan, zealous mods rock!"
(dramatic reconstruction)
~A Leprechaun~
Warrior: "Wow necro skills look so fun, but i havent got enough energy regen, this makes me sad"
ZealoMan " dont cry little one, here use this zealous mod it will give you all the energy you need to play with those fun skills!"
Warrior: " Yay! go ZealoMan, zealous mods rock!"
(dramatic reconstruction)
~A Leprechaun~
Dutch Masterr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster
Zealous mod is by far my favourite dutch masterr
furious is meh - would be so cool if they made it a 20% chance because 10% sucks a bit...
vamp is as always awsome
elemental always good vs wars
and sundering I generally don't use - even though it's a fairly nice mod for easy going PvE lol...but I don't PvE that much just saying for added damage, zealous adds none...your choice, but i usually have no energy problems.
furious is meh - would be so cool if they made it a 20% chance because 10% sucks a bit...
vamp is as always awsome
elemental always good vs wars
and sundering I generally don't use - even though it's a fairly nice mod for easy going PvE lol...but I don't PvE that much just saying for added damage, zealous adds none...your choice, but i usually have no energy problems.
Poison Ivy
Mallyx's Edge since Sundering is crap and always will be crap.
clawofcrimson
did no one read my post.....?
there is gain on zealous at normal attack speed......
the gain from furious is not what you think....it really stinks...
go back and read all the posts....it will help you
there is gain on zealous at normal attack speed......
the gain from furious is not what you think....it really stinks...
go back and read all the posts....it will help you
SnipiousMax
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
(QQ says sundering is good, And I believe them)
I'm kinda curious about that myself.
Does it have something to do with the potential it will triger during a spike? Surely it isn't just because of the -1 degen.
Does it have something to do with the potential it will triger during a spike? Surely it isn't just because of the -1 degen.
clawofcrimson
base armour penetration sources such as the strength line and skills like [card]penetrating blow[/card] DO stack with bonus armour penetration....
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Armor_penetration
so..... a warrior with 10 in strength hits a foe and bonus triggers = 30 armour penetration.....
lets do some math.... since its 20% chance lets calculate 5 hits... lets say again that our hits are all 30 damage for calculations sake...and our warrior has 10 in strength (10% armour pen)
hitting a squishy foe (60 armor)
-33,-33,-33,-33,-41 (bonus triggers) = -173 damage
if you hit the same target with penetrating blow...and bonus triggers... the resulting damage stacks with the skill (not strength...see above link) and the damage would be = -46 ...and add onto that the skills +damage at 15 axe mastery and you get a whoppin -66 damage...
so its not really all that bad.... I personally use it a lot....mostly because I dont like the -1 from vamp :P
sundering is +damage with no hassle...
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Armor_penetration
so..... a warrior with 10 in strength hits a foe and bonus triggers = 30 armour penetration.....
lets do some math.... since its 20% chance lets calculate 5 hits... lets say again that our hits are all 30 damage for calculations sake...and our warrior has 10 in strength (10% armour pen)
hitting a squishy foe (60 armor)
-33,-33,-33,-33,-41 (bonus triggers) = -173 damage
if you hit the same target with penetrating blow...and bonus triggers... the resulting damage stacks with the skill (not strength...see above link) and the damage would be = -46 ...and add onto that the skills +damage at 15 axe mastery and you get a whoppin -66 damage...
so its not really all that bad.... I personally use it a lot....mostly because I dont like the -1 from vamp :P
sundering is +damage with no hassle...
Winstar
http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=415
it gets ugly
it gets ugly
qvtkc
Hehe... How long will it take to understand this. The vamp vs. sundering battle seems to be endless.
VAMPIRIC: Good for pressure. Balance: If you don't weapon swap, there will be backlash; the pressure will affect your own team, not the enemy.
SUNDERING: Good for spikes, especially spikes involving two (or more... eh) spikers. Balance: Since it might not trigger, it's unreliable.
High ranked GvG'ers like sundering because they don't want pressure on their own team (duh) and because organized spikes are common in GvG (certainly compared to RA etc lol)
VAMPIRIC: Good for pressure. Balance: If you don't weapon swap, there will be backlash; the pressure will affect your own team, not the enemy.
SUNDERING: Good for spikes, especially spikes involving two (or more... eh) spikers. Balance: Since it might not trigger, it's unreliable.
High ranked GvG'ers like sundering because they don't want pressure on their own team (duh) and because organized spikes are common in GvG (certainly compared to RA etc lol)
Saphatorael
Quote:
Originally Posted by -.-
Shak-Jaren's Sword is better than both. Zealous ftw.
QFT.
Also, let me say this.... ok, now my post is long enough, kthxbye.
Also, let me say this.... ok, now my post is long enough, kthxbye.
Winstar
There are spots where zealous has uses in pve, i used zealous mods in a number of farming builds. But I don't like it much in PvP. Given the amount of time spent blind, with ageis up, ward camping, having people kite and whatnot the energy you spend using skills is not going to be given back to via zealous a better rate than your natural +2 regen in my experience. In PvE when you know you can just stand there throw up an IAS and hit something till it dies then zealous is nice. In PvP I very rarely find it worthwhile.
Illyanas Faith
Vamp > All imo
But none of that matters. Mallyxs Edge is one of the finest skins in Guild Wars tho tbh most skins are junk. Also furious is a very good mod.
But none of that matters. Mallyxs Edge is one of the finest skins in Guild Wars tho tbh most skins are junk. Also furious is a very good mod.
Hades Tartarus
Best sword in game both for skin and damage = Kanaxai's edge.
Second best (much cheaper than Mallyx's 10-12k) ugly as sin though, Sskai's.
That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Second best (much cheaper than Mallyx's 10-12k) ugly as sin though, Sskai's.
That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Tingi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hades Tartarus
Best sword in game both for skin and damage = Kanaxai's edge.
Second best (much cheaper than Mallyx's 10-12k) ugly as sin though, Sskai's.
That is my opinion and I am sticking to it. I'm glad you said that is your opinion. lmao...
Second best (much cheaper than Mallyx's 10-12k) ugly as sin though, Sskai's.
That is my opinion and I am sticking to it. I'm glad you said that is your opinion. lmao...
anshin
Mally's Edge... most beautiful skin in all three games...
about the mods... to me... furious is more useful to warriors then sundering... i can be wrong though...
about the mods... to me... furious is more useful to warriors then sundering... i can be wrong though...