Is WoH Still a Great Monk Elite?

VanDamselx

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

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I have always used WoH on my monk, and I still do today. However, when I was going into FoW, a monk argued relentlessly about how WoH is now a useless elite and there are many better ones out there. Am I now running an outdated build? I just wanted to know the community's take on this (and sorry if this is in the wrong spot).

Wilhelm

Wilhelm

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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Nah, WoH is still very viable, and useful. There are just new skills courtesy of Nightfall that provide variety.

Glimmer of Light - Low cost, fast recharge, low powered heal.
Light of Deliverence - Low cost, conditional heal party.

There is also skills such as Healer's Boon, which can be taken in certain instances.

-Wilhelm

sn0w1337

sn0w1337

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Donkey Pops

W/Mo

Zealous Benediction!!!!! Yah, but that's prot.

Acidic Won

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Join Date: Nov 2006

sure WoH is still viable in PvE.. so is heal breeze.. honestly i dont use WoH, WoH is soooo scarce in GvG.. HA its there mainly for the 50% spike heal (why not just use ZB?) and its in healing which makes heal seed stronger but in GvG.. WoH is a no no.. Ensign actually wrote 2 articles on why WoH sucks... somewhere out there..

the_jos

the_jos

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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Still a good skill for PvE.

It has very conditional healing (heals the best when target is under 50%, which you want to prevent).
If you have Factions or Nightfall, consider looking at their elites on wiki.
It could be that those elites work better in your build than WoH.

Effigy

Effigy

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

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I'd take Healer's Boon over WoH anyday. Hell, I can get a WoH-sized heal from normal 5e spells using HBoon, and they cast faster too.

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

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I would have to agree with Effigy...i love Healers Boon

creelie

creelie

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Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

Word is still my staple. Whenever you're getting into serious fights, the activating condition (<50% health) is not a problem. I also intensely distrust any skill that threatens my energy reserve, either by being a maintained enchantment or by costing more than 5 energy.

You know what skill I'm sort of amazed isn't elite? Dwayna's Kiss. At least in PvE chances are good most of the team has both enchantments and hexes coming out the wazoo.

Age

Age

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Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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It is still a good skill as far as I am concerned and I still use it but Healers Boon is nice and if you are Protecting ZB.I still like life sheath as well.The thing with Word is it is a Core skill so it is in every chapter.

Arkantos

Arkantos

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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I'd take ZB over WoH anyday. With ZB you still have room on your bar for GoH, and you get all the great prot skills. Also, while under 50% health, WoH and ZB both heal for the same amount of health, but WoH costs 5e compared to ZB costing 10e PLUS the 10e you get back.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

WoH still works nice. I've been using it for Dunkie all through Nightfall. He spams both WoH and ZB regardless of under 50% health, though, so he doesn't get the energy back from ZB a lot.

ubermancer

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Blessed Light really doesnt leave my bar if Im a healer.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

No-one using healing light? I think it's great, in pve i make much use of eles and protection. Dunkoro heals practically for free with all the enchantments everywhere

Sab

Sab

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sure, WoH still works, but the NF elites are so much better. If you have NF, I see no reason why you'd still use WoH.

Pick Me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

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Prophecies only - Word Of Healing
Factions only - Blessed Light
Nightfall only - Zealous Benediction or Healer's Boon

I don't have any NF elites, so I can't say. For me BL has taken over as my elite, over WoH.

For 10 energy, it heals, removes 1 condition and 1 hex. Can any other monk spell say that?

Franco Power

Franco Power

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Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pick Me
Prophecies only - Word Of Healing
Factions only - Blessed Light
Nightfall only - Zealous Benediction or Healer's Boon

I don't have any NF elites, so I can't say. For me BL has taken over as my elite, over WoH.

For 10 energy, it heals, removes 1 condition and 1 hex. Can any other monk spell say that?
Yes, it can.
[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill]

Can remove up to 3 conditions, 3 hexes and heal

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

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Target has to be hexed though to get the heal, thats a drawback compared to Blight, which always heals. I don't say that Divert isn't powerful, dont get me wrong, it's incredible, but it's no substitute for Blight.

Pick Me

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum
Yes, it can.
[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill]

Can remove up to 3 conditions, 3 hexes and heal Oh. I didn't see that. That must be a Nightfall skill.

Sadly its conditional. Only good if you are hexed. BL heals, and then removes 1 condition and 1 hex.

Heals less, takes longer to cast. Only better than BL if you have multiple conditions and hexes on you.

But thanks for showing it to me.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pick Me
Oh. I didn't see that. That must be a Nightfall skill.

Sadly its conditional. Only good if you are hexed. BL heals, and then removes 1 condition and 1 hex.

Heals less, takes longer to cast. Only better than BL if you have multiple conditions and hexes on you.

But thanks for showing it to me. Conditional yes. But its application is pretty wide unlike most condtional skills. I mean there are plenty of areas which have heavy hexes.

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

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Personally, I think Protection in General has been improved enough so that it can replace most PvE heal monks (Prot has always pwned in PvP, but it's usefulness in PvE was a bit more arguable at first imo). With Zealous Benediction, a monk can have strong healing power, but be able to invest in the prot line to reduce the damage taken and prevent players from being spiked before they can be healed.

In comparison using strictly the healing line, I think that Healer's Boon is indeed a bit better since it makes almost every heal stronger than WoH. Maintaining 1 enchant really isn't too much of a burden when you only generally have to use 1 5 energy heal spell to fill up an ally's bar in most cases and the recharge as well as cast time are very small, so it's easily recast if it gets stripped.

olly123

olly123

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acidic Won
sure WoH is still viable in PvE.. so is heal breeze.. honestly i dont use WoH, WoH is soooo scarce in GvG.. HA its there mainly for the 50% spike heal (why not just use ZB?) and its in healing which makes heal seed stronger but in GvG.. WoH is a no no.. Ensign actually wrote 2 articles on why WoH sucks... somewhere out there.. he was talking about PVE, not GVG/HA, hence the sentance, "i was going into FOW"

but yes there are now beeter elites out there, ive sued wOH, al throguth proph and factions, but since i capped BL, ive used a BL hybred al the way. tho when my monk get throguth night fall it wil lb a ZB/healers boon build. but yes when ur outside proph, and maby factions, WoH is outdated, but if u only have acces to thoes to games, then its still the best healing elite out here

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
Prot has always pwned in PvP, but it's usefulness in PvE was a bit more arguable at first imo). Wouldn't say that, most teams i monk in i try to do prot where the other monk heals and the other way round. It adds something and u prevent overhealing. Monsters in high level areas do lots of damage which you cant counter with pure healing spells anyway.

Oren The Destroyer

Oren The Destroyer

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Join Date: Oct 2005

As with all other elites, it can be good in the right situation.

Kyle

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I have been using [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill] when healing and [skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill] when proting. Healers boon is amazing. My orizon heals for 150 everytime. And dwaynas will heal through the roof if they have enchants and hexes on. ZB is nice because its a direct heal from the prot line. Also it being free when conditions are met is nice. Short recharge so easy to spam if you desire

i Valinor

i Valinor

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Join Date: Jul 2006

victoria

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i use WoH with holy haste, i find it a nice little combo its easy on the energy and quick to cast, i havnt got my monk far enough to get healers boon so i might change my mind when i get it. the only problem is when you cast another enchantment it drops holy haste.

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
Wouldn't say that, most teams i monk in i try to do prot where the other monk heals and the other way round. It adds something and u prevent overhealing. Monsters in high level areas do lots of damage which you cant counter with pure healing spells anyway. so, you are arguing the usefulness of Prot in PvE? How are you disagreeing.

A second prot monk does help in later areas, but most people just had 2 healing monks in early Prophecies days from my experience.

]SK[

]SK[

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I favor protection over healing spells. One healing and one protection monk works nice in PvE though.

Bloodied Blade

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Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

FoW groups I'm usually seeing just run with 1 healer and 1 bonder...not much else in the way of support.

Flashy

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Netherlands, The

Simple Life [Mbps]

Mo/

Healer's Boon monks get owned in HA by grenths or any enchantment removal...

I prefer WoH nearly over any skill used... I played with cute now known as MsN and they used a WoH instead of LoD, the fun thing is if you can play properly monk you don't need LoD against pressure

WoH also actually heals the hero and LoD doesn't, in GvG ZB is the skill to use same as in TA or RA(atleast as the big heal), since you get the energy back and you can actually use it on ureself...

PvE I kinda dislike ZB since u kinda get other monks healing the same target (omg there is ure answer if u take ZB in HA, unless u got good monk/team communication) and then you just lost 10 energy so u can't use Gift of Health and SoA on 2 other targets and in the worse cases, find yourself without energy...

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

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Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
so, you are arguing the usefulness of Prot in PvE? How are you disagreeing.

A second prot monk does help in later areas, but most people just had 2 healing monks in early Prophecies days from my experience. Early days of prophecies is a little bit before my time, I started playing when factions came out. Factions is the golden age of: assassin+afflicted soul explosion=splut making protection all of a sudden quite viable

LightningHell

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Actually, from what I was playing in the comparatively early days of Prophecies, they just didn't realize the power of protection. =P

More like, there wasn't really such a dire need of Protection.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

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Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
He spams both WoH and ZB regardless of under 50% health, though, so he doesn't get the energy back from ZB a lot. Two elites? HAXXXOR!#!#!@!

Ensign

Ensign

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Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

The title of this thread is misleading. Word of Healing was never a great elite.

Peace,
-CxE

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by olly123
he was talking about PVE, not GVG/HA, hence the sentance, "i was going into FOW"

but yes there are now beeter elites out there, ive sued wOH, al throguth proph and factions, but since i capped BL, ive used a BL hybred al the way. tho when my monk get throguth night fall it wil lb a ZB/healers boon build. but yes when ur outside proph, and maby factions, WoH is outdated, but if u only have acces to thoes to games, then its still the best healing elite out here I am a she btw

Maybe now I have to change my ways... with 2.5 million experience on my monk, we've been through a lot together. I'll just always have a special place for WoH =P

olly123

olly123

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Quote:
Originally Posted by booooYA
I am a she btw

Maybe now I have to change my ways... with 2.5 million experience on my monk, we've been through a lot together. I'll just always have a special place for WoH =P was never to sure, on ur advatar :P. any way. i to will always like W0H, but atm, still havent capped HB, or ZB, blessed is my way forward * feels please some on quoted me , eater i did something stupid or was clever for once, id go former *

VanDamselx

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

Quote:
Word of Healing: Conditional healing increased to 15..100.
So what do you guys think about WoH with the skill balance? Is it still not good?

Backspace496

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by booooYA
So what do you guys think about WoH with the skill balance? Is it still not good? thats not a definite skill balance, btw.

ubard

ubard

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Canada, Ottawa

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensign
The title of this thread is misleading. Word of Healing was never a great elite.

Peace,
-CxE you can ignore all other posts besides that one and you'll really get the most out of this thread.

anyhoo, my take:

LoD is like a an Elite Heal Party
WoH is like an Elite Heal Other

LoD is more efficient compared heal party then WoH is to Heal Other.
So already WoH fails.

WoH takes up lots of space on your bar. LoD = party heal + self heal.

GoLE Heal Party Healer's Boon can also be a really nice healing build. Advantage is you can catch the pve "spikes" with ease.

Back to LoD, it also has the added benefit of being an orison-level heal for anybody that has foolishly run out of casting range.

The quicker you learn that there are much more productive things you can put on your bar that Word of Healing, the happier you will be.

Flashy

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Netherlands, The

Simple Life [Mbps]

Mo/

hmmm

My PvP Monk (yes I refuse to use LoD, since people who don't know how to use channelling see this skill to be the best pressure counter)

1. Holy Veil
2. Draw Condition
3. Orison of Healing
4. Healing Touch
5. Word of Healing
6. Dwayna's Kiss
7. Healing Seed
8. Channelling

15 Heal - 13 Divine - 3 Insp

The point is (if you run a warder) that you need to put wards NEAR the enemy, so I can spam my heals around... Against pressure builds like Jagged Way you got Dwayna's Kiss on your bar for HUGE heals since they spread around loads of hexes.

Really it depends, maybe you can't use WoH... But I can and I will really take it over nearly any other elite...

People say like: LoD - self heal + party heal so u got 2 skills in 1
I say: I can catch spikes with WoH so I don't need Infuse Health on my bar + with channelling + the right positioning I should just be fine with spamming skills to heal the entire party... Don't forget ure not alone theres a 2nd Monk with you so the healing should be going just fine through the party

@ Enisgn: Never a great Elite??? dunno but I seen many top guilds running it and I seen it loads in HA...

LightningHell

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashy
hmmm

My PvP Monk (yes I refuse to use LoD, since people who don't know how to use channelling see this skill to be the best pressure counter)

1. Holy Veil
2. Draw Condition
3. Orison of Healing
4. Healing Touch
5. Word of Healing
6. Dwayna's Kiss
7. Healing Seed
8. Channelling

15 Heal - 13 Divine - 3 Insp

The point is (if you run a warder) that you need to put wards NEAR the enemy, so I can spam my heals around... Against pressure builds like Jagged Way you got Dwayna's Kiss on your bar for HUGE heals since they spread around loads of hexes.

Really it depends, maybe you can't use WoH... But I can and I will really take it over nearly any other elite...

People say like: LoD - self heal + party heal so u got 2 skills in 1
I say: I can catch spikes with WoH so I don't need Infuse Health on my bar + with channelling + the right positioning I should just be fine with spamming skills to heal the entire party... Don't forget ure not alone theres a 2nd Monk with you so the healing should be going just fine through the party

@ Enisgn: Never a great Elite??? dunno but I seen many top guilds running it and I seen it loads in HA... Let's see what you're using to cover up for Light of Deliverance.

Word of Healing, Healing Touch, Orison of Healing, Dwayna's Kiss. It's worth it to mention that the latter three are really, really bad skills.

Nothx. Just use LoD for PvE.

And while Infuse can catch spikes, Protection can catch spikes as well. Prot Spirit/Spirit Bond/(pre-weekend) SoA anyone?