I know It has probably been on topic a million times.
I know ANet has a special system for skills-attributes-level.
I know, I know, I know.
But still. I've been thinking of this quite some time now. People playing WoW and other online games hate the Guild Wars low max-level. 20 levels is just not enough against WoW's 60 (70) and Tibias unlimited.
Here's my idea:
The first 20 levels will be just as they are now, giving attribute points which can increase the damage of skills etc.
The higher levels (20+) will only give a skill point, as it does now. Simply, there will be no need for any change in the game (except maybe some higher levels on monsters, or maybe even a new area with monsters in lvl 30+)
This will help ANet and Guild Wars players world wide in the following ways:
- More people will play GW since the max level could be increased to level 30-40
-More gaming hours and less people getting tired of the game so fast.
-People who look for proper people for their teams would have less chance to get a noob in the team.
This may cause trouble for ANet/Players in the following ways:
-The monster levels will be very low and players may even get higher level than the worst monsters.
-The Legendary Survivor title might need a change, or they will just put levels up to that amount of XP.
What do you think of this theory? My apologizes if I have gone too far with this...
Higher Levels?
Wertic
Definite Integral
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A higher level gives you more damage vs armor, you know that? I really think guild wars needs more grinding for power, not these stupid titles and sunspear points that just make you look cool but do nothing useful or practical.
A higher level gives you more damage vs armor, you know that? I really think guild wars needs more grinding for power, not these stupid titles and sunspear points that just make you look cool but do nothing useful or practical.
Taala
It would be a good day when Guild Wars gets rid of levels completely. But I guess this level 20 cap is good enough meanwhile.
Xenex Xclame
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20 levels is just not enough against WoW's 60 (70) and Tibias unlimited.
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WoW is one game GuildWars is a different game.
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The higher levels (20+) will only give a skill point, as it does now. Simply, there will be no need for any change in the game (except maybe some higher levels on monsters, or maybe even a new area with monsters in lvl 30+)
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- More people will play GW since the max level could be increased to level 30-40
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-More gaming hours and less people getting tired of the game so fast.
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-People who look for proper people for their teams would have less chance to get a noob in the team.
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A newb on the other hand is simply a new player that learns and ask advice so he can be more experienced.
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-The monster levels will be very low and players may even get higher level than the worst monsters.
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GuildWars is perfect at its lvl 20 like it is, you dont need to waste a lifetime to be at the same lvl as people that have been playing for a year or more.The reason why its like that is because even a new player could theoretcly win against a "pro" player.
May i ask i question,
Are you one of those WoW players that you are reffering to that hate the lvl 20 cap?
Crazyvietguy
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As long as it doesnt give you anymore armor, damage, attributes, etc. Just kinda like bragging rights.
As long as it doesnt give you anymore armor, damage, attributes, etc. Just kinda like bragging rights.
Definite Integral
I would like the level cap to be raised so I actually have something to look forward to other then the same old stuff over and over at the same level.
Master Sword Keeper
No it's completely Silly.
I'm a Guild wars player Through and Through but simly having a cap such as
LVL 20 isnt cutting it anymore. I reckon lvl 30 is the big kahuna and that should be only hightening the bar. In no circumstance should the lvl cap be anymore than 30 otherwise the game becomes repetitive and boring.
But please take into account. There are at least 3000+ quests throughout the series. There are enough quests to reach lvl 50...Anyone else seeing this point?
I'm a Guild wars player Through and Through but simly having a cap such as
LVL 20 isnt cutting it anymore. I reckon lvl 30 is the big kahuna and that should be only hightening the bar. In no circumstance should the lvl cap be anymore than 30 otherwise the game becomes repetitive and boring.
But please take into account. There are at least 3000+ quests throughout the series. There are enough quests to reach lvl 50...Anyone else seeing this point?
Vinraith
Grind sucks. If people want to be playing WoW they should be playing WoW. Personally I'd rather be playing GW.
MSecorsky
Fugeddaboutit. As an earlier poster said, they should simply do away with level altogether if they can, but they do make a good training progress guide imo. Once you hit 20, levels don't matter. Period.
Well, exception being when you face that group of level 28's... you know it just might hurt...
/not signed, now or ever.
[Edit] - random firing of neurons... instead of levels, have a title that increments every {n} million experience points after level 20, with no cap and no relevance to KoaBD. This I could stomach. You don't even have to show it or see it, plus it doesn't affect the game.
Well, exception being when you face that group of level 28's... you know it just might hurt...
/not signed, now or ever.
[Edit] - random firing of neurons... instead of levels, have a title that increments every {n} million experience points after level 20, with no cap and no relevance to KoaBD. This I could stomach. You don't even have to show it or see it, plus it doesn't affect the game.
CidBlackwood
Based on what was originally said. Why the **** would it matter? All it means is you've done more quests on that character. Not nessesarily even that if you just run around killing stuff (which is fun though...). I see no real reason to do it. If you wanted it like that heres my recommendation (Note: I am a very "odd" person)
For levels 1-20: keep as normal
for levels 21+ : Add +5 HP (as opposed to 20) and add +1 energy.
-Blackwood
Edit: I'm not saying I think that would be good, I'm just saying that would make more sense. I agree with MSecorsky
For levels 1-20: keep as normal
for levels 21+ : Add +5 HP (as opposed to 20) and add +1 energy.
-Blackwood
Edit: I'm not saying I think that would be good, I'm just saying that would make more sense. I agree with MSecorsky
LordFFM
So lvl 20 is GW max level... That doesn't mean it is less than a lvl 60 in WoW... It just means than one GW-level is worth 3 WoW levels ^^
Ok... just joking...
There is no need to create more levels... instead of having a nice "Level 20" in your green bar, you will have a "Level 30"... OMG ! That's what I call a feature !!!!
That's something nice in GW : you don't need to grind... never ! to be top perfect... YOUR skills count, not the time you lost grinding and farming monsters...
You feel tierd because you don't have any more level to win ? Make a new character...
/not signed (of course)
but I agree with MSecorsky : a title would be for high experienced character. Not to show "l33tn3ss", but to have the feeling you're still climbing some ladder.
Ok... just joking...
There is no need to create more levels... instead of having a nice "Level 20" in your green bar, you will have a "Level 30"... OMG ! That's what I call a feature !!!!
That's something nice in GW : you don't need to grind... never ! to be top perfect... YOUR skills count, not the time you lost grinding and farming monsters...
You feel tierd because you don't have any more level to win ? Make a new character...
/not signed (of course)
but I agree with MSecorsky : a title would be for high experienced character. Not to show "l33tn3ss", but to have the feeling you're still climbing some ladder.
Halmyr
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This game is not about level, theres a reasons I dont play WoW/ FF11 and those other games, you have to grind for levels. This game is about skill, not level or time spent playing.
This game is not about level, theres a reasons I dont play WoW/ FF11 and those other games, you have to grind for levels. This game is about skill, not level or time spent playing.
Skuld
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Akhilleus
i dont recall seeing the words "World Of Warcraft" inscribed on the top of the game box when i purchased it.
this isnt WoW...and i consider that a good thing.
and then lets consider that a farming character may have 4, 5, 6, or 10 times the exp of one thats soley used for playing the game, but when it comes down to it, which one do you want in your party?
ill go with the non-farmer, thank you.
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this isnt WoW...and i consider that a good thing.
and then lets consider that a farming character may have 4, 5, 6, or 10 times the exp of one thats soley used for playing the game, but when it comes down to it, which one do you want in your party?
ill go with the non-farmer, thank you.
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bamm bamm bamm
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20 levels is just not enough against WoW's 60 (70) and Tibias unlimited.
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-More gaming hours and less people getting tired of the game so fast.
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-People who look for proper people for their teams would have less chance to get a noob in the team.
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Just say no to a higher level cap. This has been a public service announcement.
Tachyon
I don't think the level 20 cap will ever be rasied in this current Guild Wars storyline.
One thing I would like them to implement instead of the higher levels is a title based on your XP. At least that way the XP you're earning actually means something within the game because, quite frankly, after gaining Lv.20 who actually bothers to check out their XP apart from at certain milestones like 1million, 2million and the like. Something like 'Master of Experience (5)' or similar.
For every 500,000XP you gain a new level within the title and for each level you gain +5HP and +1E.
One thing I would like them to implement instead of the higher levels is a title based on your XP. At least that way the XP you're earning actually means something within the game because, quite frankly, after gaining Lv.20 who actually bothers to check out their XP apart from at certain milestones like 1million, 2million and the like. Something like 'Master of Experience (5)' or similar.
For every 500,000XP you gain a new level within the title and for each level you gain +5HP and +1E.
T N Player
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the reason i chose gw over other games is because there is no lvl hate. in other games all ppl do is say that if u are lower lvl is that your a noob and dont even give u a chance
the reason i chose gw over other games is because there is no lvl hate. in other games all ppl do is say that if u are lower lvl is that your a noob and dont even give u a chance
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GB2WOW
GB2WOW
Lykan
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we have enough pointless my balls are bigger than yours stuff already
we have enough pointless my balls are bigger than yours stuff already
Amity and Truth
WoW is not an argument for or against something. Stop disgracing yourself by spouting out childish idiocy like "gb2wow".
Still the suggestion is rather silly and has been done to death. Consider Elite Skills your level and you suddenly have more levels than every other game. Consider KOABD and you'll have way more to do than in every other game.
Still the suggestion is rather silly and has been done to death. Consider Elite Skills your level and you suddenly have more levels than every other game. Consider KOABD and you'll have way more to do than in every other game.
$hade.
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I like the way it is now. I don't have to worry about working just to get to the higher levels. I can go through the game and unlock as much stuff as I can and titles adn then go back and unlock more.
The day i've unlocked absoultely EVERYHTING in the game is when i'll say higher levels.
I like the way it is now. I don't have to worry about working just to get to the higher levels. I can go through the game and unlock as much stuff as I can and titles adn then go back and unlock more.
The day i've unlocked absoultely EVERYHTING in the game is when i'll say higher levels.
Vykhos
Bad idea, i dont support it.
Post #5 says it all, I got nothing else to add.
Post #5 says it all, I got nothing else to add.
Recon_Alpha
How about gaining 1 or maybe 2 Attribute point when you level past 20? This way you could at least boost your skills. Gaining 1 or 2 points wouldn't make your character that much more powerful then the monsters that are currently in the game.
Amity and Truth
AAAAND what about PVP?
1-2 Attribute points per level after 20 would mean that you would soon have maxed every attribute. Overpowered much?
1-2 Attribute points per level after 20 would mean that you would soon have maxed every attribute. Overpowered much?
Vykhos
Some people want to turn this game into some kind of WoW or NWN where pvp is absolutely unbalanced and boring.
Please, make suggestions to make GW better, not to make it similar to other games you like.
Please, make suggestions to make GW better, not to make it similar to other games you like.
Recon_Alpha
Sorry, my suggestion only applied to PvE. Maybe 1 point would be too much, maybe 1 point every 30,000 (every 2 levels) experience.
I don't play PvP and would never make suggestions on that aspect of the game.
Oh, GW is the only game I play.
I don't play PvP and would never make suggestions on that aspect of the game.
Oh, GW is the only game I play.
FoxBat
There's another important reason for the lvl 20 cap besides PvP. It lets them keep the chapters truly "stand alone," and someone can start with just NF from lvl 1 and be roughly as useful in PvE at lvl 20 as someone who has grandmaster cartographer in all campaigns. Could you imagine a noob isle that suddenly has to level you to 30 in the next campaign, then 40 in the next, with the increasing inflation? Same goes for keeping gear stats mostly in line with each other across campaigns.
With lightbringer they did add a kind of post-20 attribute improvement and a few skills to use with it. But notably these are only useful vs abbadon's minions, therefore they won't give NF owners a huge advantage in the next campaign.
With lightbringer they did add a kind of post-20 attribute improvement and a few skills to use with it. But notably these are only useful vs abbadon's minions, therefore they won't give NF owners a huge advantage in the next campaign.
Vinraith
Attribute points for levels would destroy PvE as well. The entire game is balanced for a level 20 character to have 200 attrib points. From there, it's all about skill. If you made it about how much experience you have instead the game would become intolerably easy. All you'd have to do is grind level for awhile and you could kill anything with ease.
This isn't a game that's designed for grind, it's not a game that would be fun with grind. Instead it's a wholly unique game in that the vast bulk of it is about skillful use of limited resources to defeat ever increasing challenges. Your character's power isn't tied to how long you've been playing it, but rather how well you use it. That's cool as hell, and I wouldn't want to see it changed.
This isn't a game that's designed for grind, it's not a game that would be fun with grind. Instead it's a wholly unique game in that the vast bulk of it is about skillful use of limited resources to defeat ever increasing challenges. Your character's power isn't tied to how long you've been playing it, but rather how well you use it. That's cool as hell, and I wouldn't want to see it changed.
Xenex Xclame
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Franco Power
3 Words for you
Player Versus Player
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and if you don't get why I said that you're not very smart.
Player Versus Player
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and if you don't get why I said that you're not very smart.
Tempy
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I hope that they never implement an increase, because once they do it will only be moments before someone is whining to get it increased again. GW is about skills not about grinding...want grinding and love WoW so much go play them.
I hope that they never implement an increase, because once they do it will only be moments before someone is whining to get it increased again. GW is about skills not about grinding...want grinding and love WoW so much go play them.
Arkantos
Deja vu much.
This topic has been discussed too many times.
This topic has been discussed too many times.