Why does A-Nerf keep us in the dark?

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

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"skill balance" (aka nerf) comming this weekend and I'd bet they already know what they are changing and how they are changing it, so why not post upcomming changes so we can redo our builds BEFORE we have to go test the "new" HA with our old builds that no longer work due to the nerf? I don't like any nerf myself but if they are going to roll one out It would be nice to know ahead of time so I could work on a new build (while I am at work and have nothing else to do ) Instead of having to wait until it comes then rework it when I could be playing.

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

thats kinda what this weekend is: a chance to test out new builds. its not a permanent change, only a temporary one. after the weekend, the skills will be reset. they are implementing this weekend to see how their balances have worked/not worked and see what else they need to touch.

sure knowing in advance might be kinda cool, but this whole event is an advance look at the balance. they could just not show us these proposed changes at all this weekend, and just debut it some time later. i for one am glad they are doing it.

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

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so the nerfs will go away after the weekend (until they are finalized)? Guess I mis-understood that part...but if that is the case why do skills and change HA at the same time? Seems like one may have affect on the other and would then be counter productive to the test.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

2 reasons

1 some overanxious people would start screaming *ANET LIED* if they had a typo in the advance notice or OMG they actually changed something by one percent at the last moment.

2 this is a TEST RUN which may wind up being very different from the final balance.

sheeshhh

Franco Power

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

W/

Stop crying, skills need a nerf, why would you want to play the same builds forever anyway.

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithark
so the nerfs will go away after the weekend (until they are finalized)? Guess I mis-understood that part...but if that is the case why do skills and change HA at the same time? Seems like one may have affect on the other and would then be counter productive to the test.
they want to test the proposed changes to skills together with the proposed changes to HA. wouldnt make much sense to see if the skill balance works in HA, and then change the format of HA. and vice versa.

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum
Stop crying, skills need a nerf, why would you want to play the same builds forever anyway.
1) opinion other than yours does not = crying
2) I don't play the same builds I have 4 main professions that I use and each has at least 2 builds that I use, most 3 or 4
3) this doesn't answer my question..if testing to see what works best you should keep everything the same and change only the thing you want to test, changing 2 variables = false results

lightblade

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithark
1) opinion other than yours does not = crying
A-Nerf = Crying

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithark
this doesn't answer my question..if testing to see what works best you should keep everything the same and change only the thing you want to test, changing 2 variables = false results
well, if they leave HA alone, they will receive false results as well. example:

they change the skills. test them in current format of HA. everything seems to work fine. they implement the skills. then they change the HA format. now the skills do not function as intended before. a new skills balance is needed.

id assume that anet wishes to keep the changes and balances to a minimum, as to not draw the ire of its players. having two complete skills balance back to back would make ppl rather upset (having to alter their builds and strategies multiple time to acomplish the same goal). you dont even want the first balance, imagine how some would react to two.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithark
1) opinion other than yours does not = crying
Come on. Don't exaggerate. Legendary doesn't say that everyone who's opinion is different from his is "crying." Sometimes he says they're "whining."

I believe Gaile said in her chat log that the skill changes will be posted Thursday. So there will be a little notice before the weekend starts.

c0c0c0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

GREY

R/Mo

The use of the term "A-nerf" is so pregnant with meaning, I could almost write the biography of anyone using it.

It would not be a flattering bio.

To begin a thread with that kind of title starts it off in the basement, from which it will have to fight it's way out. The only upside is that, should it somehow manage to sink any further, it will almost certainly be locked.

Karmaniac

Karmaniac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Posting in a thread soon to be locked.

Nerfs are always nice they shake up the game and make people reconsider their rutted builds. Monks can do something else than healing and warriors aren't only good for damage.

Grasping Darkness

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Because it's more fun as a surprise! weee

ischuros

ischuros

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Ireland

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There will be some buffs aswell, remember the sins, they got a major buff in the last update. The skill shake up brings a fresh wind to GW, it isnt stagnant, it's ever evolving, and it's fun to work on new builds to fill spaces left by those which were nerfed, look what happend with the SS AoE, now 105hp SSers make it faster to clear UW, and it is a bit more dangerous, but more fun aswell.

Amity and Truth

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

Skillbalancing is much needed, I just hope they don't completely kill the skills like they often do.

Evilsod

Evilsod

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Join Date: Mar 2006

England

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Erm... considering Anet usually just nerf the shit out of everything on 1 randomly chosen day, the effects of which are usually lead to absolutely f*cking useless skills (Ether Renewal anyone?), something that they NEVER change. Has anyone used Verati's Sacrifice since they nerfed it?
I would have to say letting us 'test' the nerf before they implement it is giving us a heads up and not keeping us in the dark.

Renegade26

Renegade26

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

Why does A-Nerf keep us in the dark?


Because they hate you, thats why. It's a personal attack against you.

Diablo???

Diablo???

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Seattle

SPQR

N/R

This weekend skill update hardly qualifies as "in the dark".

On the other hand, I dread the "Stealth Update"....

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

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Go A-Buff! Lets shake the Halls!

Franco Power

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade26
Why does A-Nerf keep us in the dark?


Because they hate you, thats why. It's a personal attack against you.
Don't tell him that, you never know what he might do.

Grais

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Tools

Quote:
"skill balance" (aka nerf) comming this weekend and I'd bet they already know what they are changing and how they are changing it, so why not post upcomming changes so we can redo our builds BEFORE we have to go test the "new" HA with our old builds that no longer work due to the nerf? I don't like any nerf myself but if they are going to roll one out It would be nice to know ahead of time so I could work on a new build (while I am at work and have nothing else to do ) Instead of having to wait until it comes then rework it when I could be playing.
People are flaming you because this is a straight up whiner thread. Starting with the title and continuing throughout.
You state that you have no work ethic,"while I am at work and have nothing else to do", but you want A-Net to work extra hard to please you by giving you forewarning whenever they, in your words, want to nerf something.
Typical 'I want it all ,and Im willing to do absolutley nothing for it' attitude, I find so prevalent in todays society. Pretty sad when you think about it.
But the real icing on the cake of petty threads, is that Anet is announcing the changes, you cant even finish reading the announcements before you have to make a whine thread about it. Gaile stated yesterday that they would try to announce changes, SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A DAY TO LOOK THEM OVER BEFORE THEY ARE IMPLEMENTED. She said they were not 100% positive they would be able to, but they were going to try.
Doesnt that make you happy, get the full story before you make a baseless whining thread such as this.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Could a mod please close this thread. There really isn't any worth to it so far.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

The value of another thread about skill updates (and complaining) is very low. Closed.