Im creating a new axe warrior in proph, but i need to know what I should pick, W/N orW/ME. I already havea lvl 20 W/MO that uses swords, so im using axes this time. When you give me a suggestion can you plz give me what secondary attribute i would put my skill points in(curses, blood magic, fast casting etc..). thank you
~fireshade24
W/N or W/ME???
fireshade24
Effigy
My suggestion would be to just buy a +1 Axe Mastery helm for your sword warrior and save yourself a lot of trouble. If you don't want to do that for some reason, W/N is going to be more useful than W/Me although you'll just be using warrior skills most of the time in PvE. If you're thinking about casting spells with a W/N or W/Me, my advice is to think again. W/N is for Plague Touch and W/Me might be used for an Inspiration stance in a very specific setting, like solo farming in FoW.
jesh
If you're making your warrior for some PvE play, necro can be useful for using Mark of Pain. Once you get to LA, and if you have Nightfall, you can also look into the skill Meekness.
Enfeebling Blood is another option. All these skills do fairly well at low attribute levels, and last long enough that you aren't draining all of your warrior's energy.
When I use skills like this, I usually run about 7-9 curses. Meekness doesn't really need even that much if you're only using that one skill. The duration is huge.
Some other skills you may want to consider:
Splinter/Brutal Weapon from the Ritualist line
Conjure X and Inferno from the Elementalist line
Go For The Eyes! from the Paragon line
Heart of Holy Flame from the Dervish line
Consume Corpse from the Necromancer line
Using a ritalist or paragon secondary also gives you access to a hard res instead of just a res sig. Heart of Holy Flame is nice for killing undead, but otherwise isn't too useful. Go For The Eyes! is best used with multiple copies throughout your team, but even one will make a difference. Consume Corpse is really fun! But if you have a MM, they might hate you.
Inferno isn't armor ignoring damage like the Splinter and Brutal Weapon skills, but it is AoE, and you can use Conjure Flame along with it as well.
Of course there's also condition removal that you can use from your secondary. If you have NF, your monk heroes can take care of this, but if you want to use all offensive heroes, or only have factions/prophecies, Effigy mentioned Plague Touch.. which is awesome on a warrior. Some other options are:
Antidote Signet from the Ranger line
Mending Touch from the Monk line
Remedy Signet from the Paragon line
Signet of Malice from the Assassin line
If you don't have NF/heroes capable of condition removal, I would highly suggest Necro or Paragon as your secondary, seeing as they provide both condition removal and a damage boost in one profession. Hope this helps.
Enfeebling Blood is another option. All these skills do fairly well at low attribute levels, and last long enough that you aren't draining all of your warrior's energy.
When I use skills like this, I usually run about 7-9 curses. Meekness doesn't really need even that much if you're only using that one skill. The duration is huge.
Some other skills you may want to consider:
Splinter/Brutal Weapon from the Ritualist line
Conjure X and Inferno from the Elementalist line
Go For The Eyes! from the Paragon line
Heart of Holy Flame from the Dervish line
Consume Corpse from the Necromancer line
Using a ritalist or paragon secondary also gives you access to a hard res instead of just a res sig. Heart of Holy Flame is nice for killing undead, but otherwise isn't too useful. Go For The Eyes! is best used with multiple copies throughout your team, but even one will make a difference. Consume Corpse is really fun! But if you have a MM, they might hate you.
Inferno isn't armor ignoring damage like the Splinter and Brutal Weapon skills, but it is AoE, and you can use Conjure Flame along with it as well.
Of course there's also condition removal that you can use from your secondary. If you have NF, your monk heroes can take care of this, but if you want to use all offensive heroes, or only have factions/prophecies, Effigy mentioned Plague Touch.. which is awesome on a warrior. Some other options are:
Antidote Signet from the Ranger line
Mending Touch from the Monk line
Remedy Signet from the Paragon line
Signet of Malice from the Assassin line
If you don't have NF/heroes capable of condition removal, I would highly suggest Necro or Paragon as your secondary, seeing as they provide both condition removal and a damage boost in one profession. Hope this helps.
Loshi
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Originally Posted by fireshade24
Iwhat secondary attribute i would put my skill points in(curses, blood magic, fast casting etc..). thank you
~fireshade24 Probably not that one...
~fireshade24 Probably not that one...
Dzus
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Originally Posted by Effigy
W/N is for Plague Touch and W/Me might be used for an Inspiration stance in a very specific setting, like solo farming in FoW.
*Cough* [card]Blackout[/card]
Effigy
Blackout can be useful in one or two warrior builds, but is generally bad because it wipes your adrenaline and prevents gaining any for 5 seconds. And it costs 10 energy.
Jesh pointed out some other decent options for warrior secondary that you might consider. My main point was that your warrior will be a warrior first and foremost. Your secondary will usually only be used for one skill, if any, in PvE. It may sound cool to make a warrior that casts lots of Necro spells or whatever, but it just doesn't work out in practice. Trust me, as a former UO player I was all about making a "tank mage" when I first started playing GW.
Jesh pointed out some other decent options for warrior secondary that you might consider. My main point was that your warrior will be a warrior first and foremost. Your secondary will usually only be used for one skill, if any, in PvE. It may sound cool to make a warrior that casts lots of Necro spells or whatever, but it just doesn't work out in practice. Trust me, as a former UO player I was all about making a "tank mage" when I first started playing GW.
Dzus
I think everyone wanted to be a "Tank mage" at some point. I remember carrying Animate Bone minions on my bar. I remember bringing Fire Storm too when my friend made his W/E!
Shadowfox1125
One Word.
Hamstorm!
Hamstorm!
Thom Bangalter
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Originally Posted by fireshade24
Im creating a new axe warrior in proph, but i need to know what I should pick, W/N orW/ME. I already havea lvl 20 W/MO that uses swords, so im using axes this time. When you give me a suggestion can you plz give me what secondary attribute i would put my skill points in(curses, blood magic, fast casting etc..). thank you
~fireshade24 why don't you just...change secondaries? there's really no need to go through the game again, unless you really love pve.
~fireshade24 why don't you just...change secondaries? there's really no need to go through the game again, unless you really love pve.
Coloneh
omg, please dont make more warriors. they are so useless. go play a good class. i swear, at least half of the people in game are warriors.
Mr D J
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
omg, please dont make more warriors. they are so useless. go play a good class. i swear, at least half of the people in game are warriors.
Omg please don't make any posts like this. They are so useless.
And to OP. If you already have a warrior... why don't you just get another helmet, apply a rune to it and get a weapon? And you can change secondaries pretty much anywhere... But, I would go with a W/N. Plague touch ftw in condition areas and Grenth's Balance farming owns too.
And to OP. If you already have a warrior... why don't you just get another helmet, apply a rune to it and get a weapon? And you can change secondaries pretty much anywhere... But, I would go with a W/N. Plague touch ftw in condition areas and Grenth's Balance farming owns too.
LouAl
I have played through proph with both a W/N and a W/Me (because I just like PvE and playing new chars from the start). I found both to be great in different ways.
The /N was incredible for things like, as was mentioned, Mark of Pain (which still dominates in PvE if you know how to use it). I also like using Vamp touch, vamp gaze, enfeebling blood, Blood Renewal, etc. If you are worried about energy just slap a zealous axe on and start whacking away. Either way I usually ran with somewhere between 9 and 12 in blood or curses (I tried death but found it to be not as fun, for me, although there are some great skills there that synergize with warrior just fine).
For /Me I really liked using some of the Inspiration stances, also channeling works well if you want to do a bit more casting. I loved putting an interrupt or two on my bar and being total caster demolition (mostly fun in RA where people don't expect you to use interrupts on your warrior). Also, some of my favorite skills to use as a warrior are shatter hex and drain enchant...
anyway I liked both immensly (although have since deleted both and started a new warrior...haven't decided his secondary yet (only lvl 2)
good luck
The /N was incredible for things like, as was mentioned, Mark of Pain (which still dominates in PvE if you know how to use it). I also like using Vamp touch, vamp gaze, enfeebling blood, Blood Renewal, etc. If you are worried about energy just slap a zealous axe on and start whacking away. Either way I usually ran with somewhere between 9 and 12 in blood or curses (I tried death but found it to be not as fun, for me, although there are some great skills there that synergize with warrior just fine).
For /Me I really liked using some of the Inspiration stances, also channeling works well if you want to do a bit more casting. I loved putting an interrupt or two on my bar and being total caster demolition (mostly fun in RA where people don't expect you to use interrupts on your warrior). Also, some of my favorite skills to use as a warrior are shatter hex and drain enchant...
anyway I liked both immensly (although have since deleted both and started a new warrior...haven't decided his secondary yet (only lvl 2)
good luck
Pwnd by a guineapig
W/N is good for some areas, but mot areas they arent that good at. A good skill for W/N is plague touch.
Thom Bangalter
Here are things wrong with this thread:
Mentioning blackout on a warrior bar.
Suggesting mark of fury, blood ritual, or any 'vamp' skill is good on a warrior bar.
Ways to improve at playing warrior:
Well, for one, read this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10109424
The guy may be level 12, but his bar is really good.
Also, watch observer mode, and see what other warriors use. Skill choice in GvG is all about efficiency, and using any secondary beyond some clutch skill that requires a minimal amount of spec into generally means you're doing something wrong.
Mentioning blackout on a warrior bar.
Suggesting mark of fury, blood ritual, or any 'vamp' skill is good on a warrior bar.
Ways to improve at playing warrior:
Well, for one, read this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10109424
The guy may be level 12, but his bar is really good.
Also, watch observer mode, and see what other warriors use. Skill choice in GvG is all about efficiency, and using any secondary beyond some clutch skill that requires a minimal amount of spec into generally means you're doing something wrong.
Dzus
Nothing is wrong with Blackout on a warrior bar.
You can take your opinions to the grave with you, it doesn't make you any more right.
With PvE your secondary doesn't especially matter, 9/10 times you run all warrior skills anyway.
You can take your opinions to the grave with you, it doesn't make you any more right.
With PvE your secondary doesn't especially matter, 9/10 times you run all warrior skills anyway.
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by Dzus
Nothing is wrong with Blackout on a warrior bar.
You can take your opinions to the grave with you, it doesn't make you any more right. Although his comment may have been a bit...offensive, so to say, bringing Blackout in a Warrior bar is not fully utilizing your Warrior ability to deal damage. That's why he thinks it's "wrong". And he's pretty right, as well.
Dzus
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
Although his comment may have been a bit...offensive, so to say, bringing Blackout in a Warrior bar is not fully utilizing your Warrior ability to deal damage. That's why he thinks it's "wrong".
And he's pretty right, as well. True, but sometimes your ability to deal damage can come from denying another their ability to do so. Blackout on a warrior bar is by no means "All purpose", but it still has purpose. I was merely trying to prove that /Me on a warrior isn't *Just* for Inspiration stances.
Thom Bangalter
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Originally Posted by Dzus
True, but sometimes your ability to deal damage can come from denying another their ability to do so.
Blackout on a warrior bar is by no means "All purpose", but it still has purpose. I was merely trying to prove that /Me on a warrior isn't *Just* for Inspiration stances. Then...roll a mesmer? Bring an interrupt? Sure, you've effectively shut down a target for a few seconds, but you've also erased your adrenaline, shutting yourself down as well. Unless, of course, you have no adrenaline skills, in which case, you have no energy and can't do anything except spam thrill of victory or leviathan's sweep until you're out of energy (which will come very, very quickly). dgb
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Originally Posted by Dzus
Nothing is wrong with Blackout on a warrior bar.
Look I know you suck at the game, but please don't try to drag others down to your level just so that you won't be on your own...
Dzus
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
Then...roll a mesmer? Bring an interrupt? Sure, you've effectively shut down a target for a few seconds, but you've also erased your adrenaline, shutting yourself down as well. Unless, of course, you have no adrenaline skills, in which case, you have no energy and can't do anything except spam thrill of victory or leviathan's sweep until you're out of energy (which will come very, very quickly).
Welcome to the box.
I hope you enjoy thinking in it.
LightningHell
I can't find Effigy's post, so I'll just say what he said.
If you want to think outside the box, then do so. We just prefer to think in the box of good old builds, rather than the box of stupid builds. He said it better...
HawkofStorms
Eh, in theory couldn't you use blackout as a warrior say right after using a skill like final thrust or decapitation that makes you lose all your adrenaline anyway.
Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?
Bewn
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Decapitate drains your Energy as well, so...
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Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?
*cogh* cancel-stance, Protection Spirit (on a monk in your team of Course)?
Lykan
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Originally Posted by fireshade24
Im creating a new axe warrior in proph, but i need to know what I should pick, W/N orW/ME. I already havea lvl 20 W/MO that uses swords, so im using axes this time.
~fireshade24 This post makes me laugh and cry at the same time, it underlines a popular problem in GW that most players dont understand the most basic point of GW - 'versatility'. We see posts time and time again "i'm a w/mo, w/e etc and im wondering about making w/xx or "im a R/N what the best way to solo UW?". These guys have no clue about playing the game. To the OP. No, you dont have a lvl 20 sword W/Mo, you have a Warrior, secondaries are just that, secondary to you main class. just buy an axe and a new hat and change your secondary its as simple as pressing 'K'.
Thom Bangalter
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Welcome to the box.
I hope you enjoy thinking in it. Thinking 'outside the box' doesn't matter when the build is absolute trash and everyone on your team thinks you're an idiot. LouAl
look, if the op wants to roll a new char, who are you to tell him/her not to?
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Sure, you've effectively shut down a target for a few seconds, but you've also erased your adrenaline, shutting yourself down as well.
That is want Blackout does. It doesn't matter what character you are, that is exactly what blackout does - it blacks you both out (read: shuts you both down). I am not saying that BO is the best skill choice for a war, but it isn't the absolute worst thing a person could do.
Also, why is this thread soooo far off track? If you want to roll a new PvE character, roll one. Screw what anyone is doing in GvG, just do it however you want. It is PvE for crap's sake! If you want to go /Me and put Conjure Nightmare or Panic on your bar, fine. I say you will likely be happy rolling a new W/N or W/Me. You could just change your secondary and buy an axe, but then you'd lose the experience of playing through the questline (assuming a PvE experience is what you want).
Effigy
Rolling a new character is fine, but it sounds to me like the OP is fairly new to the game. Starting a new character requires a lot of time and gold invested, and if he already has a maxed out warrior it seems like a big waste to me. He would be better spending his time/money improving his first warrior than making a new one and having to reinvent the wheel.
dgb
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Originally Posted by LouAl
That is want Blackout does. It doesn't matter what character you are, that is exactly what blackout does - it blacks you both out (read: shuts you both down). I am not saying that BO is the best skill choice for a war, but it isn't the absolute worst thing a person could do.
You're missing the point. Yes it disables your skills, but that wipes you adrenaline making you unable to use those skills for another 10ish seconds while you rebuild your adrenaline. For it to do an equivalent thing to a caster it would have to make them lose 15 energy as well.
It makes sense on casterse because they are making a conscious decision to trade and it doesn't retard their skills beyond the 5s of disable. This isn't the case for warriros.
GourangaPizza
Before attempting to come up with any builds, think of what it is going to do in the first place. Is it going to dish out as much damage as possible in the shortest time, or is it going to disable targets? If you going for damage, blackout shouldn't be there, as blackout shutdown your warrior too. Adrenaline is your warrior's lifeblood in dealing damge. Else if you are going for disabling, a hammer warrior is pretty competent in achieving that since targets being knockdown can't do anything.
A W/N is good for only one thing in my opinion; plague touch. This easily makes disabling conditions especialling blindness piece of cake on that warrior. A W/Me on the other hand used lots of buffing spells to buff himself such as Physical Resistance or Mantra of Flame (if you are in RoF) so as to be able to soak up more damage. Patrick Smit
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My suggestion would be to just buy a +1 Axe Mastery helm for your sword warrior and save yourself a lot of trouble. If you don't want to do that for some reason, W/N is going to be more useful than W/Me although you'll just be using warrior skills most of the time in PvE. If you're thinking about casting spells with a W/N or W/Me, my advice is to think again. W/N is for Plague Touch and W/Me might be used for an Inspiration stance in a very specific setting, like solo farming in FoW.
I played warrior with different secondaries, and W/N (using plague touch as said by the quoted poster) gave me the most "functionality" this simple skill allowed me to keep on damaging cause u can get rid of blinds while the monk is doing, more "important" things (sometimes i dont know what they do). If they dump other nice conditions on u, u can additionally damage enemies with it, what more do you want from a 5 energy skill that has no recharge.
Thomas.knbk
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I owned PvE with 4/5 warrior teams. Works great if they actually try to play offensively.
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Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?
No offense, but Frenzy>PvE. I use it all the time. (well, when I play PvE that is. been a long time)
Blackout on a warrior is also not a good idea. It resets your adrenaline, and you need to invest pretty heavy in Domination for it to be remotely effective. Don't say you don't need adrenaline and use energy attacks because: 1. ALL good attack skills in the game are adrenaline 2. you don't want to use more energy if you're spending 10e on blackout all the time.
Mr Bartel
W/A ownz, really, shadow arts and use dark escape/Feigned neutrality to tank, heart of shadow is a very good heal/defensive skill, DC to target and keep agro on yourself, then just use steady stance to spam conditions and gain lots of mana/adrenalin (combined with desperate blow/Drunken blow), this really rulz as warior, and it doesn't really matter of which weapon u r using. (sry for english, I'm french)
Pwnd by a guineapig
Heh W/N has most of there builds just with a healing skill, plague touch, and attack skills... But thats about it for W/N
W/Me on the other hand has some possiblitys such as solo FoW beach, and IDS farming but whichever you think is better...
LightningHell
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W/A ownz, really, shadow arts and use dark escape/Feigned neutrality to tank, heart of shadow is a very good heal/defensive skill, DC to target and keep agro on yourself, then just use steady stance to spam conditions and gain lots of mana/adrenalin (combined with desperate blow/Drunken blow), this really rulz as warior, and it doesn't really matter of which weapon u r using. (sry for english, I'm french)
I take it you don't do what a Warrior, by definition, is supposed to do?
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