Arena net is great

First I have to say, the idea that Guild Wars is free and thus we as customers shouldn't complain is bad.

Firstly, Guild Wars isn't free, it costs us money every 6 months if we want new content or to be competitive in PvP. That alone is as much as monthly fees on other games.

Secondly, we as customers have a right to complain when we see things that aren't being done as well as they should be. From my personal point of view, GW is a great concept that could be far better if some things were different. I am going to bring those points up to Anet whenever I can. I like Anet as a company for coming up with a great game, but I dislike many of the things they doing with said game. I also dislike how slow the updates are coming. Compared to some other games, the pace of updates in Guild Wars is horribly slow, which is yet another thing the customers have to complain about.

Firstly, you have two firstlys.

Anyway, I agree that you should complain when something isnt right. As long as it's constructive.

But you're sort of skewing the perception on the cost of GW. Buying a new chapter every 6 months is close to being a monthly fee but other MMO's ALSO make you buy an expansion as well. GW is still far cheaper than those monthly fee MMOs.

And no people can't really complain about updates (at least updates of new content) being slow. The cheaper price means less updates. That's the tradeoff you get.

when you pull figures from out of thin air and are incapable of simple math people will not pay attention to you.

WOW

purchase price same as original GW plus 15 dollars a month

15X12=180 plus at least 40 dollars purchase price =220 dollars

GUILD WARS TWO CHAPTERS FOR A YEAR

50X2= 100 dollars full price

it is less than one half the price not equal to the price.

also you can stop any time and still play while WOW cuts off your access if you dont pay .

learn basic math then post

Sigh...it is people like you that completely ruin threads and completely miss the point. I didn't say the price of GW and WOW is the EXACT SAME. WoW costs far too much and is a rip off which is why I'm saddened at the amount of players it has. I was making a point against people saying that Guild Wars is somehow free and therefore we shouldn't criticize Anet for not making the game better.

Guild Wars is NOT free. 2 chapters a year totaling 100$ which comes out to about $8.33 a month. That is only about a dollar less than some MMORPGS that get updated much more. I must now resist the urge to flame.

Free or not, I love Arenanet.

You're once again not factoring the cost of the game itself for the other games. Other MMO's is around 40 bucks for the game in addition to the monthly fee. You can't say that GW is only a dollar less than other MMOs.

Go look at Loviatar's post please.

I am not arguing numbers here. I know GW is cheaper as a whole. Am I to understand that because GW is a little bit cheaper than other games that we should let Anet off the hook for blatant mistakes?? That stance is pathetic IMO.

[QUOTE]you did not specify budget onliners

you are getting a new game for your money not paying a monthly fee to play.

buy or not you can still play GW

What horrible blatant mistakes has ANET made that cancels out the much lower cost? I dont think anyone has said that no criticisms be made but rather that people are complaining FAR FAR too much considering that it's free. Free as in no monthly fee.

And if it's so horrible, why not go play something with a monthly fee if you feel like there's not enough updates?

Yep thats main point of this mindless discussion. Anet have also good and bad days. Many good things were nerfed, many good thing were added and thats whole point of GW. Its stills on the run and never will stop untill we give up. It doesnt matter if you are PvE or PvP only. You are still a part of community .

gw players= gangstas

WoW= fantacy freaks!!!!!!

so the people who complain, play WoW(just my opinions) I wouldent like the pay for guildwars, if its like 5 dollars, sure......but I cant spend all my money(not like im that poor) on a game....

This is the stance I hate. People say "well Anet can do X, because Guild Wars doesn't have a monthly fee". That line of thought is one reason GW is a worse game than it should be...not enough people stepping up and saying how things should be better.

anet ruined one of the ways i played the game

for that reason i do not love them

Oh I step up plenty of times to say how GW PVE is poor and suggest ways on improving it. But I'm realistic and reasonable enough to not expect updates as frequently as a monthly fee MMO the way you're doing.

Also GW can't be that bad if it's getting awards for game of the year or whatever award it is...

I think I'll go bash some level 2 mobs with my scythe. Seeing triple digits damage is always satisfying. It's like therapy.

Why are we talking about WoW when the thread title is about Anet...? GW and WoW are two very different games and should never be compared.

I <3 Anet, its a miracle that they still listens to us when we bitch and whine like little kids.

you dont know they are the best players in the world because they dont have tournaments for pve and personally i think pve buildmaking takes an extreme ammount of thinking p.s. i have a reasonable ammount of experiance in pvp and most of the builds are stolen of websites and my warrior build thats a pve build beats most warriors that ive versed i even killed three sins gang bashing me and another time 2 warriors gang bashing me and i had no help both times

Everything is not a bed of roses. Anet did it to it's self. I have been around since day one from the time the community was good. everyone was helping anet. The community started going bad when anet had made factions. Anet at the time had favored pvp over pve, hence the fighting had started. Alot of "rpg" players were put down on fourms by pvpers. The rank and an elitest bullyed the rpg community. There was not much for pvers to do.

The hole fight with pvpers and pvers came about when anet made it so that you had to work for your skills. Anet had to because then the game would not have been an "rpg". Anet when it first sold it's game. Anet had called their game a coaperative rpg then later side with pvp call the game compeative. Pvpers would go around macking pvers saying they were the player base. When fact the "rpg" players were the player base. When factions came out alot of people were unhappy with guild wars.

What anet has done in the past has affected them to this day. it's the players that buy the game, Not the Industry.

Well.

Anet is not giving us the update because they are good guys, they are giving us update because they told us they will give us update.

when i bought chap 1 i know what was the anet policy.
"between next chapter and now we gonna release a lot of update who will keep the game alive"
when i bought chap 2 i know anet will release free update and kept the game balanced with skill balance.
when i bought chap 3 i know blablabla

now if anet stop to make those update or those update suck. since was implicit when i was buying the game i was getting those as well permit me to be angry at anet and not buy next game if they don't begin to release decent skill change.

ANet's vision of what the game should be seems to be nowhere near the same page as what brought a lot of people to it in the first place. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but it definitely has me on the fence regarding shelling out any more money past Nightfall.

Trying to keep PvE and PvP linked balance-wise is more or less ensuring that either one will never be as good as it can be. Each mode is becoming increasingly constrained by the wants/needs of the other. This isn't the same game it was on Day 1 of Prophecies' release. The community isn't the same. It's time for ANet to realize this.

To be honest, a major pet peeve of mine is that anything ANet decides to do to spruce up the mundane PvE play would only be for new chapters and the old chapters would be forgotten about (sort of like the new inscription system and the older skins from the first two chapters). I don't like how ANet more or less dumps the old chapters once a new one is released. To me, and to many Guild Wars players, it's one giant world. One giant game. I don't want this game, in total, feeling really disjointed or having different parts with different rules, etc. It's making Guild Wars look really sloppy overall and definitely taking away from any immersion factor I once had playing it.

My reasons to bash anet?

- Killing HA
- Not balancing their game

There ya go.

In all fairness, yes, I did get my ~$200 worth of entertainment, but I'm still pissed off that they killed the game I enjoyed so much.

maybe anet might go down the drain sooner than they think since all u guys seem to hate them then guildwars will be gone so then ull have nothing to complain about but u people are going to complain that you paid for it put the servers back up

AMEN!

stupid short message thingy....

You cannot possibly be serious with this post.

Agreed. The changes in PvP (and their economic PvE counterparts) have sapped a great deal of interest out of the game from my perspective.

Anet started with something extremely interesting, and essentially have not done as much with it as they could.

why do all the people that defend anet first of all mention the "its free" myth. How is it free?? whats so free about it? can you get me a free copy of nightfall then?

anet made a business decision, and if I could judge from all the posts like that ive read, it was a good decision..

complainers (like me) say, or used to (ive missed the current complainings tbh ) that Anet takes their sweet time to fix a thing that was so obvious to begin with, and that can be fixed within 1 minute of a single employee's time..

there were always the people that complain, as well as the people that try real hard to look all cool, bashing on the complainers. its all about the balance eh

Liveundead122, change isnt meant for forcing people to adapt, it should be for fixing faults and weaknesses. dont you agree?

PS. Still looking good Avarre

by the way the guy flashing emotes and calling you a noob chances he is pvper.

Please if you can't understand our reason for being frustrated and a little upset with Anet then get out of this thread. Clearly as you have demonstrated in this thread you are most likely new and do not exactly understand, nor follow our reasoning. Please go to PvE where there are fields of grasses and butterfly's flyng around because here in PvP not everything is peachy. And it's starting to make this game staler than bread thats been sitting out for 2 weeks.

People have paid over $100 for this game. Those people were also promised a competitive game in which skill is the determining factor in the outcome of matches, rather than time spent. Let's roll back to when Guild Wars was actually released (Prophecies). The game came without Faction, without Reconnects, without Party Search, and with horrendous skill balance issues. Guild Wars was, quite bluntly, not ready to be released when it was. Now let's come forward a couple of years - we actually have Reconnects (thank you to whoever the Developer is who spent his/her free time working on them, because here's something that isn't well known - it was one developer who did it not because he had to, but because he wanted to, who figured them out), and we have Party Search, but we also don't have support to Third Party Tournaments. We don't have any decent customisation of our UI. We don't have things ArenaNet have promised. We still have infrequent and poor skill balance. And one thing that matters above most others, is that we have very little meaningful feedback from the company in which we ourselves have invested countless hours, and one hell of a lot of money.

Basically - we complain because we care. We've all sampled what Guild Wars could be. We know that it has, or had so much promise, but that's been ripped out and shredded in front of us, and we haven't been able to do anything to prevent it.

I doubt you'll actually bother listening to me here, but I'll say it anyway. PvE isn't challenging. PvE should have no impact on skill balance whatsoever. PvE is easymode in a game because AI does not react to what you do. PvP is where the game actually requires skill, not PvE. PvP is where the changes that actually affect gameplay should be decided, not PvE. Deal with it.

This is completely false and you need to get your facts sorted.

Maybe I'm playing Devils Advocate here, but from the looks of it I certainly don't see much happening at the moment. It's been around 6/7 months since we had a real tournament season (barring the 3-day event), and it was around 3 months for a significant skill balance to take place despite numerous issues that were obvious. I know Izzy and James are overworked, and that it's a long process, but the lack of information on the subject is just as much a problem, and honestly, it could be fixed by hiring more people able to give their input, or using some sort of forum where people who actually understand skill mechanics and balance could help (not that there are many people that fit that role).

Let's see;
3 Months without any meaningful skill update despite a stagnant meta and obvious balance issues.
What could be around 9 Months without any form of competitive or meaningful tournament.
An Automated Tournament system being announced but pushed back by what could be 2 Months.
Various issues within the game that aren't or have taken an insanely long amount of time bearing in mind their massive impact including, but not limitted to;
- Clicking through gates prior to them shutting in order to walk through the gate.
- Catapults not hitting the same spot granting a massive luck/chance factor on GvG matches.
- Ghostly Heroes being so easy to prevent when capping.
- Ghostly Heroes not attempting to cap an alter when standing on it.
- Catapults not actually being able to be fixed unless fixed at the right angle or some nonsense.
- Being able to prevent your gate from opening come Victory or Death, thus sending all NPC's out the other way.
- Being able to prevent your gate from opening come Victory or Death causing matches to go on forever.
- Burning Isle and Jade Isle being so clearly in favour of 8 vs. 8 Builds with no option of splitting effectively.
- NPC's balling up like morons come Victory or Death and getting demolished by a single skill, and their AI responding poorly to such things.

At least 50% of each classes skills suck.

Your fundamental lack of understanding is the reason I'm glad people like you have no input on how skills are balanced.

The game isn't balanced around PvE. It's balanced around PvP, just like it should be. The unfortunate thing is that people who don't understand the foundations of balance always try to give their opinions even when they completely contradict basic reasoning and logic. Balancing a game around PvE puts you in the same problems WoW has in respect to PvP.

no he is a jerk guess what they exist anywhere

Oh I found the main reason! This is clearly a winner!

Arenanet is great.

/Seconded...

I hope you're joking.

No wonder gwguru has such a bad name about PvP.

This is why JR doesn't poke his head out of the PvP section, cos he'd throw up from stupidity like this

JR is a PvP mod here, I think that says it all about how bad it is! :P

But srsly. Anet need to seperate PvE and PvP. They don't get along and never will. Get seperate teams to develop the fundamentals and dynamics of each part and balance skilsl SEPERATELY. Give the same base skills for each chapter, but balance them seperately. Izzy needs minions to do his bidding, because he simply doesn't have the time/resources to keep the game balanced and fresh.

Vanq. I <3 you. Everyone should read what Vanq. has posted as it is very true and presents multiple reasons as to why us PvPers are crabby.

Thats cos Vanq actually knows how to play and understands the game...

Its just a shame that 98% of players don't

Gladiator's Defense anyone? Oh no! did I guess your secret? thats such an UBERLEET elite that nobody knows hot awesome it is! I can't believe nobody has stolen it yet!

Maybe ANET dont give a toss about PvP anymore because more people play PvE

No, they still consider PvP to be the end game of Guild Wars and they still primarily Skill Balance around PvP