(How to) train a hero - possible? really? Does not work for me! :-(

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

I can try and do what I want:

All my ele do not cast fire attunement on spawn/all the time... like all other attunements. Friends told me, their ele hero do so.

So... if it's really possible:


How can I RESET my hero behavior?

How can I TRAIN my hero?


I'm really frustrated!

Rockby Quickfoot

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Raptor Five [Five]

Me/Mo

I've never heard anything like that O.o The closest thing I've heard to what you're asking, is if you put the spell farthest to the left on the person's skill bar, they will cast that spell more. Try that, if you haven't already. Anything further, I don't know.

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

doesnt work either. and yes ive tried that.

Lotrfish

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

1337ville, California

Generic Name [Tag]

R/

You can't do either of those. The AI is bad, you can't change that.

However, somehow they are a lot more effective than real people in most places.

gou

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

globally warmed england

the discarnate

it's an energy management skill, heros use it once they have burned up a bit of energy first

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

@gou: they use earth/air/water attunements ALL THE TIME... but not fire.

bug @ fire or bug at all other attunements?

CyberMesh0

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Charter Vanguard [CV]

N/Me

If nothing else, you can activate the skill yourself. I don't know what else to tell you.

Kityn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

Heroes of the Horn [HoH]

N/

I found on occasion that once I activate a heroes skill he/she/it will start using that skill. I find that using mixed skills from a primary class and secondary class also helps. Such as using 5 primary skills, 2 or 3 secondary skills.

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

?????

I've tried to manual activate fire attunement at all starts. No change at hero behaviour happened.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

2 Facts of GW.

Heros are dumb.

Anet aren't going to do jack shit about it.

Tommy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Grotto,The Paradise of GW Afkers

Afkers Never [CRY]

W/Rt

heroes aren't dumb.. ppl are dumb.. i did gate of madness with ppl and failed. I did gate of madness with hero and i won. good players <as far as i know> dont play with human. they only play with hereos. the pugs you got in your party are properly not that good imao.

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

NYC

The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

E/N

Honestly,the hero AI seems to pick up the use of certin skills faster than others.Also,yes to the fact that heroes can learn to use a skill as you manually make them use it, yet some are faster than others.

Dunkoro never uses sig of devotion or rejuvenation,chosing to make spell casting decisions over the sigs that make for better e managment. As I force him to use them, he will eventually begin using the sigs.

The same can be said for turning a hero into a boon protect monk. Tahlkora never would use the skill Divine Boon until I tried to use it manually, and now she does it when the skill is in her bar without me. They can be bonders, but you will have to most likely disable the auto use of the spell or as it cast, they will cancel it.

As for Fire Attunement, Sousuke nor Zhed have never had problems with its use, save for occasional lapses where it is not reapplied during combat. Yet, I believe that as you babysit them for awhile, it will get better.

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

but why can they use all other attunements right but not fire from start on? -.-

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

I think it is a bug.

I've gotten Zhed on my fifth character now. On all my others he casts Fire attunement quite well, I completed factions with my Dervish and got Sosuke and he does just fine with it. However, the Zhed the one of the characters acquired refuses to cast it unless I manually click it every time. Same skill bar, same items, and same runes (I have one set of hero items and each one gets their own runes).

I can not figure out why nor can I figure out how to correct it. Really annoying. I do not know if other skills get the same problem, few single spells are as critical as Fire attunement is to a SF elementalist (usually either none are or there is a chain that must work).

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

should be fixed (easily) then imho in the next updates (in case anet reads this)

rotoiti

rotoiti

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/

I have exact same problem with Razah and Rit Lord build. He would not cast Boon of Creation until AFTER he casts Shelter. By that time he's out of energy already :-/ I clicked BoC manually and he is using it sometimes now.

On the other hand I never had a big problem with Zhed or Sousuke and attunements. The only problem is that they tend to cast fire attunement right at the moment I call them into battle ...

lightblade

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

Heros are just as dumb as henchmen if you don't control them. So don't blame the AI being bad, you should blame yourself for not being smart enough to control your heros.

JUST CLICK THE ATTUNEMENT YOURSELF!!!

Adamal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shady79
should be fixed (easily) then imho in the next updates (in case anet reads this) Forgive me, but if you haven't seen the code base, then you can't make any claim on how easy or difficult a particular bug is to fix.

sumasage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

i use dual attun. and it work just fine. Maybe a bug then. I'll test it tonight and let you guys know.

Shady79

Shady79

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

HotD

Adamal... I think all attunements should work equal.

At spawn my heroes cast earth/fire/air attunement.

When I replace one of those above with fire attunement, he will start fire attunement at beginning of a battle (which is TOO LATE).



Please take a look at my new thread.

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

R/

GUILD TEAM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heros with good build and player >>> Pugtards with crap build and good player.

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

It's not a question of training heroes.
It's a question of training yourself.

AI does not use a build in the same way that you do. The art lies in putting together a build that works well with the AI. As long as you try and force AI to think the same way you do, you're going to be complaining about heroes.
When you find a build that rocks with AI, you're going to love heroes.

I would recommend you look for alternative builds if the ones you have distress you.

Obey The Cat

Obey The Cat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

FFS

Rt/N

I guess he thought you can train heroes to use special skill combos. But that's not possible. Just my 2 cent.