I'm sick of going to RA and having the usual team of 2 Burst Sins and then facing a team full of them... I try to avoid using that build but when I do I often see the assassin run towards me because of course they have to show off by killing me using a build they didnt make and pressing 123456. After which I see in all chat "raped" and I then remind him that cookies taste better when you dont use a cookie cutter. After the match i am spammed with "noob" and its a waste of my time. I often run gvg gank builds that are defensive and offensive but the dmg is not equiped with burst so its not a spike and its not as long a combo. (the point is to not use burst so thats out of the question)
Anyway, I'm looking for a build that has adequate spike, defense, perhaps shadow of haste with fiegned neutrality and deadly paradox, and is not obsolete to the burster.
Burst Shadow Prison overused
Kiba of hidden leaf
Ismoke
shove sin! try that!
Oren The Destroyer
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I'm sick of going to RA...blah blah blah
so stop doing RA
Kiba of hidden leaf
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Originally Posted by Oren The Destroyer
I'm being bitchy, so stop doing RA
RA is inevitable. Its what you do in between events so that you still make progress. Unless you would rather go party in Shing Jea with the fourty year olds.
-.-
RA is not the only damn thing to sink time in during events. Ever heard of reading or some other recreational activities?
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Terra Xin
Generous Was Tsungrai
Soothing Memories
Weapon of Remedy
Cast Remedy weapon as soon as you see them spike, then spam the 3 skills above.
Or you can do what you really should be doing, and huddle to another teammate, its that buggery horns of the ox that kills ya.
Or if you're a mesmer you can have hex breaker or Veil if youre a monk.
Soothing Memories
Weapon of Remedy
Cast Remedy weapon as soon as you see them spike, then spam the 3 skills above.
Or you can do what you really should be doing, and huddle to another teammate, its that buggery horns of the ox that kills ya.
Or if you're a mesmer you can have hex breaker or Veil if youre a monk.
TaiClaw
So wait, you come here complaining about other sins that use spike builds, and bitch about how they didnt make there own build and takes no skill to use. Yet your asking for other people to create a build for you??
Did you ever stop and think that Spike builds are so often used because they work? If anything, more sins should use spike builds in pvp, it gets the job done, rather than doing piddly little auto attacks and trying to keep yourself alive.
Did you ever stop and think that Spike builds are so often used because they work? If anything, more sins should use spike builds in pvp, it gets the job done, rather than doing piddly little auto attacks and trying to keep yourself alive.
-.-
The Burst of Aggression, Shadow Prison build actually fits the role an Assassin is suppose to fill in the game. A sudden spike that is meant to kill a target quickly.
Sqube
I'm with -.- on this one. We're melee spikers, and the BoA SP build seems to be... well, exactly that. It's perfect for what we're supposed to be. It's quick, it's a surprise (well, it used to be), and it's deadly as all hell unless you've got serious monk assistance.
You're basically complaining because we've finally got a combination of skills that allow us to do what we can't with solely primary skills (no IAS FTW!)
That said, if you're really that bothered by Shadow Prison, I've got one thing to say to you: [skill=text]Hex Breaker[/skill].
And before you complain that you'll have to give something else up to fit that in... well, that's the whole point of strategery!
You're basically complaining because we've finally got a combination of skills that allow us to do what we can't with solely primary skills (no IAS FTW!)
That said, if you're really that bothered by Shadow Prison, I've got one thing to say to you: [skill=text]Hex Breaker[/skill].
And before you complain that you'll have to give something else up to fit that in... well, that's the whole point of strategery!
byteme!
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So wait, you come here complaining about other sins that use spike builds, and bitch about how they didnt make there own build and takes no skill to use. Yet your asking for other people to create a build for you??
Exactly what I see too.
Shuuda
I too am getting sick of this build, it's not even that good, I've seen far better (I think the A/Mo shadow prison build is better for RA) But what bugs me more is how monks never take hex breaker.you could play a signet spiker as an easy counter to A/W or most melee for that matter.
Yanman.be
Yanssassin kekeke. Use shock as soon as they SP you, then own them with your combo.
On a side note, wary stance or hex breaker.
On a side note, wary stance or hex breaker.
Corinthian
I always use cookie cutters. Easy faction and very little effort to think what to do. And they're fun, too. Whenever I get killed by a cookie cutter build, I make the said build they used and kill other people with it. Why wouldn't I use skill combinations which are legal and available in the game?
Yanman.be
Because kids might come whine at the forums because it's overused
Saphatorael
I've made a stronger build (still testing a bit, maybe I'll put it on the forums later on, but atm I'm having fun killing 100 AL targets in 3.8 seconds)...
I make fun of Shadow Prison sins who bring Falling Spider to chain after Horns of the Ox. I just stand near the most vulnerable teammate. Then I'm being called a 'noob' after I've killed them twice. (As soon as they're ressed, they suddenly go after me... just staying near the monk renders their spike useless.)
They're easy to stop, I've used the build for ages, until it got too popular for my likes. It's the new Touch Ranger imo, strong at first glance, but so easy to counter; just get some hex removal or block/evade skills, and they're worthless.
Or just disrupt the chain if you're an offensive chap, the assassins just press 1,2,3,4,5,6, if you can get any of the 4 actual attack skills (the sooner, the better, of course)
It's overused, but just adapt and stop whining, please.
I make fun of Shadow Prison sins who bring Falling Spider to chain after Horns of the Ox. I just stand near the most vulnerable teammate. Then I'm being called a 'noob' after I've killed them twice. (As soon as they're ressed, they suddenly go after me... just staying near the monk renders their spike useless.)
They're easy to stop, I've used the build for ages, until it got too popular for my likes. It's the new Touch Ranger imo, strong at first glance, but so easy to counter; just get some hex removal or block/evade skills, and they're worthless.
Or just disrupt the chain if you're an offensive chap, the assassins just press 1,2,3,4,5,6, if you can get any of the 4 actual attack skills (the sooner, the better, of course)
It's overused, but just adapt and stop whining, please.
Legendary Battousai
Shadow Form Assassin... nuff said
Hyunsai
Sick of Burst Sins? RaO Thumpers or Spoil victor Necro are much much worse... But VERY...
Shadowfox1125
Sounds like the same thing with Touchers a couple months back...
If you can't beat them, find a way how to, don't just come here and whine.
If you can't beat them, find a way how to, don't just come here and whine.
clawofcrimson
and why are you sick of sins doing what they are supposed to do? as stated above... there are other builds that are much more annoying and hard to counter..
sins are supposed to spike quickly...use combos... and have increased mobility...and just because they take SP doesnt make them a cookie cutter build....I personally like to be against cookie cutter builds because I know exactly what they do and how to counter them
sins are supposed to spike quickly...use combos... and have increased mobility...and just because they take SP doesnt make them a cookie cutter build....I personally like to be against cookie cutter builds because I know exactly what they do and how to counter them
ensoriki
MMM I applaud the BoA build for spiking
But I resent it for making sins lame -_-
You see A/W its a BoA sin -_- around 94.5% of sins in RA are burst -_-
things about burst
A good monk...Will NOT die to it -_-
All classes have a skill to render the build useless
A backfire or empathy A/me sin is alot more fun when you know your target screws themselves upa as you kill em -_-
Anyways if you dont like BoA sin
Shadowform
Critical defenses
Shrowd of distress
Siphon strength makes it hard for them to take off even 50 percent off you
Defensive stance
Flashing blades
Shadow of haste+ dash/deadly paradox/dark escape/any other stance
A/E signet spike
A/Paragon
Alot of those counters to it Except defensive stance...for which I put just since A/W is popular are ALL sin skills -_- Use assassins promise BoA Dark prison combo
-_- Get creative the build is alot more fragile then most since they have to waste skills on a lame IAS -_-
But I resent it for making sins lame -_-
You see A/W its a BoA sin -_- around 94.5% of sins in RA are burst -_-
things about burst
A good monk...Will NOT die to it -_-
All classes have a skill to render the build useless
A backfire or empathy A/me sin is alot more fun when you know your target screws themselves upa as you kill em -_-
Anyways if you dont like BoA sin
Shadowform
Critical defenses
Shrowd of distress
Siphon strength makes it hard for them to take off even 50 percent off you
Defensive stance
Flashing blades
Shadow of haste+ dash/deadly paradox/dark escape/any other stance
A/E signet spike
A/Paragon
Alot of those counters to it Except defensive stance...for which I put just since A/W is popular are ALL sin skills -_- Use assassins promise BoA Dark prison combo
-_- Get creative the build is alot more fragile then most since they have to waste skills on a lame IAS -_-
pve-er
I use Shadow Prisom combo. but I don't see the need of BoA（sometimeI face Shadow prisom sin 1 on 1 who use BoA and I still can kill them), at least not in my case. I did it in AB. I prefer to use that slot for other skill that make me live longer because I don't want to be part of body count.
beside the normal 5 skill of Shadow prisom combo I bring SOH, dark escape and feigned neutrality. which really help me to live. save the extra slot, BoA isn't needed most of the time
beside the normal 5 skill of Shadow prisom combo I bring SOH, dark escape and feigned neutrality. which really help me to live. save the extra slot, BoA isn't needed most of the time
Crazyvietguy
I find it funny that you complain of BoA Assassins.. yet your profile on the side of your name says your a A/W
Yeah Signet spike is good for RA (at least when i used it) However RA is meant for spiking because eventually everyone runs out of Res Sigs. I say just experiment, I tend to do that a lot. Sometimes i get solid builds.. sometimes i end up with poop. Either way i still find it fun.
Yeah Signet spike is good for RA (at least when i used it) However RA is meant for spiking because eventually everyone runs out of Res Sigs. I say just experiment, I tend to do that a lot. Sometimes i get solid builds.. sometimes i end up with poop. Either way i still find it fun.
ensoriki
Stronger spike is
enraged sin
AOD MOI BLS TF FS BOS Frenzy/BoA/dash Fiegned
use that on a BoA sin problem solved and your even stronger
-_- well atleast it worked way I pictured it in my head -_-
enraged sin
AOD MOI BLS TF FS BOS Frenzy/BoA/dash Fiegned
use that on a BoA sin problem solved and your even stronger
-_- well atleast it worked way I pictured it in my head -_-
Kiba of hidden leaf
[QUOTE=Crazyvietguy]I find it funny that you complain of BoA Assassins.. yet your profile on the side of your name says your a A/W
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I use no second profession unless in PvE which I use wild blow
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I use no second profession unless in PvE which I use wild blow
Kiba of hidden leaf
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and why are you sick of sins doing what they are supposed to do? as stated above... there are other builds that are much more annoying and hard to counter..
sins are supposed to spike quickly...use combos... and have increased mobility...and just because they take SP doesnt make them a cookie cutter build....I personally like to be against cookie cutter builds because I know exactly what they do and how to counter them I am not tired of assassins killing me... I am tired of them using a build that everyone uses and then says raped or im such a pwner once doing so.
And the given is obvious of their spike ability, I use a nice build that does own them with shadow of haste but now its nerfed and i dont know what to do.
Thank you everyone who gave me ideas, no thanks to everyone who just bashed my idea and wanted attention.
sins are supposed to spike quickly...use combos... and have increased mobility...and just because they take SP doesnt make them a cookie cutter build....I personally like to be against cookie cutter builds because I know exactly what they do and how to counter them I am not tired of assassins killing me... I am tired of them using a build that everyone uses and then says raped or im such a pwner once doing so.
And the given is obvious of their spike ability, I use a nice build that does own them with shadow of haste but now its nerfed and i dont know what to do.
Thank you everyone who gave me ideas, no thanks to everyone who just bashed my idea and wanted attention.
BohemianKeith
I love that assassin build, it gives me much joy to go against it. It's become so rampant that it is actually productive to make a build designed to take it down. Trust me there's nothing funner then watching an assassin dance just outside aggro range as he tries to gank your monk or other squishy only to be smacked with insidious parasite or another anti melee skill. Most of the time they're so used to doing the same thing over and over again that they'll attack right through empathy or insidious untill they're almost dead. As annoying as they are i really dont feel there is any need to nerf this build at all, its much easier to counter then other FOTM like the touch ranger. ( which isnt that bad anyway)
Evilsod
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its much easier to counter then other FOTM like the touch ranger. ( which isnt that bad anyway)
Touch rangers can't snare, shadow step, use an IAS or kill a target in 3 seconds. A touch ranger has thousands of counters and be ground down. Prison/Burst sins are just boring the crap out of me. Came across 2 teams in AB running 2 of them, 1 with an Order necro. They are quite possibly the most boring players ever.
Did make me laugh though when i saw 1 attack a Spoil Victor necro and he commited suicide
A spike should involve a little more than just typing qwerty at any particular time if your within casting range.
Did make me laugh though when i saw 1 attack a Spoil Victor necro and he commited suicide
A spike should involve a little more than just typing qwerty at any particular time if your within casting range.
Chamber Asgardian
Well assassin's are button smashers, and we usu. like to put our chain in the order we like to do them, so usually we will always be pressing 1,2,3,etc. The skill part comes in how to survive, when to attack, how to surprise, and when to back down and just run or stop attacking. :P (sorry for the major run-on sentence lol)
Phantom Flux
I can't disagree with you. The AW Burst Shadow Prison build is way too overrated. However, with a few adjustments for pve it's great. But yeah, I hate getting into some PVP with the dictating noob team leader demanding to use that build. Not only is it overrated, it's predictable enough for a smart assassin to shut that build down easily. I always stick to what is best for me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I'm sick of going to RA and having the usual team of 2 Burst Sins and then facing a team full of them... I try to avoid using that build but when I do I often see the assassin run towards me because of course they have to show off by killing me using a build they didnt make and pressing 123456. After which I see in all chat "raped" and I then remind him that cookies taste better when you dont use a cookie cutter. After the match i am spammed with "noob" and its a waste of my time. I often run gvg gank builds that are defensive and offensive but the dmg is not equiped with burst so its not a spike and its not as long a combo. (the point is to not use burst so thats out of the question)
Anyway, I'm looking for a build that has adequate spike, defense, perhaps shadow of haste with fiegned neutrality and deadly paradox, and is not obsolete to the burster.
Anyway, I'm looking for a build that has adequate spike, defense, perhaps shadow of haste with fiegned neutrality and deadly paradox, and is not obsolete to the burster.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Chamber Asgardian
Well assassin's are button smashers, and we usu. like to put our chain in the order we like to do them, so usually we will always be pressing 1,2,3,etc. The skill part comes in how to survive, when to attack, how to surprise, and when to back down and just run or stop attacking. :P (sorry for the major run-on sentence lol)
Well yeah, all spikes involve doing a 1, 2, 3 motion. But all a Prison/Burst spike invovles is wandering around, using the skills in order from any point on the battlefield. Running off and recharging.
It lacks any form of surprise... seeing A/W you just assume Shadow Prison and Burst of Agression and wait to interrupt something or cast an anti-melee on them and wait.
It lacks any form of surprise... seeing A/W you just assume Shadow Prison and Burst of Agression and wait to interrupt something or cast an anti-melee on them and wait.
Shuuda
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I can't disagree with you. The AW Burst Shadow Prison build is way too overrated. However, with a few adjustments for pve it's great. But yeah, I hate getting into some PVP with the dictating noob team leader demanding to use that build. Not only is it overrated, it's predictable enough for a smart assassin to shut that build down easily. I always stick to what is best for me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
too true, compared to the A/Mo (black widow) Version A/W is very flawed, 1 hex breaker or deadly riposte and you just totally screwed yourself, and when it comes to high end PvP, that matters a lot.
hondy
Signet of humality is always a help when it comes to disabling the assassin's shadow prison.
Dutch Masterr
oh of course, someone states their opinion and everyone else bitches and complains that he is a noob....
a/w shadow prison sins are DEFINATLEY way over-used...especially in AB and RA. i always bring 1 skill that fits into whatever build im using specificaly to counter it. casters are waaaaay to vulnerable to this build unless they can block, and most cant. the trick is to scroll through every enemy on your screen and note where any assassins are. monitor their movements and stay out of casting range. then wait for them to use shadow prison on someone else then attack them. on my mesmer, who is obviously vulnerable to an assassin ambush, i simply bring signet of clumsiness. as soon as they shadow step in, just interupt them and they wont be able to do half as much damage as they normaly would. on ranger, just bring distracting shot if you dont want to waste whirling defense on the sin....the necro skill Wail of Doom will completley shut this build down.
a/w shadow prison sins are DEFINATLEY way over-used...especially in AB and RA. i always bring 1 skill that fits into whatever build im using specificaly to counter it. casters are waaaaay to vulnerable to this build unless they can block, and most cant. the trick is to scroll through every enemy on your screen and note where any assassins are. monitor their movements and stay out of casting range. then wait for them to use shadow prison on someone else then attack them. on my mesmer, who is obviously vulnerable to an assassin ambush, i simply bring signet of clumsiness. as soon as they shadow step in, just interupt them and they wont be able to do half as much damage as they normaly would. on ranger, just bring distracting shot if you dont want to waste whirling defense on the sin....the necro skill Wail of Doom will completley shut this build down.
clawofcrimson
if you are on your own in ab...... you deserve to be ambushed... sins are a great way to punish those that wander off.... shadow prison is a great elite...and while I dont ever use it with boa... I dont see what people are complaining about.... its not overpowered...overused maybe.... but that is not a crime....
Dutch Masterr
i never said i was going off alone.....most sins are dumb to begin with and charge into mobs and get killed seconds later anyway.
Shuuda
the whole shadow prison - black spider - twisting fangs combo is highly effective, but I think it's sill going as A/W just for a few second IAS and no defence.
cacto
Uhg, this is starting to annoy me. When a sin kills you, all you people have to say is that a sin is overpowered, and when we die, we suck. Look, just make something to counter it. It's lazy people like you who get all these good elite skills completely nerfed.
Kiba of hidden leaf
The point is NOT to counter someone. Anyone can go into RA with Ineptitude and clumsiness and say there good when theyve just only countered a build isntead of being strategical and KITING. The point IS to use your skill to outsmart your enemy. So isntead of changing my build to have Hex Breaker or Spoil Victor, I could instead bring a shadow step an enemy as soon as they shadow step to me, they wasted 20 seconds, I unleash on their ally.
I have a build now that I am contempt with so there need no further discussion. Since that was the purpose of it.
I have a build now that I am contempt with so there need no further discussion. Since that was the purpose of it.
Xeones The Great
a bit off-topic, but what skills are different from the a/mo SP and the a/w SP other than no IAS?
Yanman.be
mending touch, a/mo usually has Shadow Of haste+ cancel afaik.