Why the other Envoy don't use their power to create spirits and fight Shiro directly? I think Shiro is no match for all five of them.
and why the gods chose people that were criminal in life to become Envoy and did not have a way to shackle them from betrayal since they were not good in their human life?
about the Envoy
Shadowlion
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Plot device Mr. Frodo, plot device.
Seriously, I don't know. Might just be a plot device.
Seriously, I don't know. Might just be a plot device.
Free Runner
If you remember the Envoys mention that Shiro is disrupting the balance by killing so many for his own evil plans, so it makes sense they would not go back on what they said and start building constructs themselves.
The Envoys got chosen to serve the Gods as punishment for their wicked deeds. I cant say why they dont do their own thing but i am betting there are rules they were told to follow and they stick with them or perhaps are trying to make up for what they did in life?
The Envoys got chosen to serve the Gods as punishment for their wicked deeds. I cant say why they dont do their own thing but i am betting there are rules they were told to follow and they stick with them or perhaps are trying to make up for what they did in life?
Mark Nevermiss
The question is why is Abaddon allowed to maintain an envoy after his downfall?
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Free Runner
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The question is why is Abaddon allowed to maintain an envoy after his downfall?
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Maria Moon
hmm ya that's true, also in the vinzuha square mission at the last cinematic, the 1 envoy says that they "fight shiro by acting like shiro" so maybe that was their lilttle part in all of it, though i must admit they did do very lilttle to help and only appeared after the heores had won the battle, i think even menhlo says at one stage that he hopes they do more than just watch, but sometimes like stated before , there are just so many loose strings to deal with the envoys that at one stage you just have to accept that that is the way it happened, hmm but i still want to know why did shiro become an envoy in the first place since he was evil,..but then when you look back at how abbadon tricked and lied to him about the emporrer trying to kill, i suppose shiro killed him as it was a matter of survival of the fittest, anyway the envoys, glint and danika annoy me all the time
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hmm but i still want to know why did shiro become an envoy in the first place since he was evil
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You could say it was Shiro just trying to keep himself alive but it would be seen as a wicked deed - slaying an Emperor in cold blood and then causing an event that wipes half a continent out.
Shadowlion
Shiro is not a evil guy at the beginning, he was used by Abaddon.
he was confused and had a conflict after the emperor's strange emotion. And did not know kill the emperor will cause so big trouble.
Also, he did horrrible crime in his return,
he was confused and had a conflict after the emperor's strange emotion. And did not know kill the emperor will cause so big trouble.
Also, he did horrrible crime in his return,
Guild Wars Guy
he wasnt used by abaddon and why does everyone blame things on ABADDON. I remember something saying Once Shiro Was A bodyguard he studied forbidden books and after the wind he studied more and was able to make his constructs
Mark Nevermiss
To be honest I think the Factions storyline is full of holes that a junuudu could easily pass through.
In Nightfall we understand that the fortuneteller was a demon sent by Abaddon to manipulate Shiro. We end up destroying that demon in the realm of torment if we take the quest.
After Shiro was killed he became an envoy for Abaddon. Since there were five other envoys: 1 for each of the 5 gods, it stands to reason that Shiro was made an envoy (whose job is to escort dead souls to the mists) for the fallen Abaddon. How would the 5 allow this and entrust the envoy of a fallen god to escort dead souls to the mists?
The question is why did Shiro want to become mortal again? to be able to directly influence the mortal realm without recourse to constructs? thats a load of BS. Here we see Shiro as a spirit killing, and he later killed Togo still being a spirit:
In this screenshot the envoy is talking about a debt owed to them by us? what debt could that be? the way I see it they are the ones heavily in debt to us for doing their dirty work for them.
In Nightfall we understand that the fortuneteller was a demon sent by Abaddon to manipulate Shiro. We end up destroying that demon in the realm of torment if we take the quest.
After Shiro was killed he became an envoy for Abaddon. Since there were five other envoys: 1 for each of the 5 gods, it stands to reason that Shiro was made an envoy (whose job is to escort dead souls to the mists) for the fallen Abaddon. How would the 5 allow this and entrust the envoy of a fallen god to escort dead souls to the mists?
The question is why did Shiro want to become mortal again? to be able to directly influence the mortal realm without recourse to constructs? thats a load of BS. Here we see Shiro as a spirit killing, and he later killed Togo still being a spirit:
In this screenshot the envoy is talking about a debt owed to them by us? what debt could that be? the way I see it they are the ones heavily in debt to us for doing their dirty work for them.
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he wasnt used by abaddon and why does everyone blame things on ABADDON. I remember something saying Once Shiro Was A bodyguard he studied forbidden books and after the wind he studied more and was able to make his constructs
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After Shiro was killed he became an envoy for Abaddon. Since there were five other envoys: 1 for each of the 5 gods, it stands to reason that Shiro was made an envoy (whose job is to escort dead souls to the mists) for the fallen Abaddon. How would the 5 allow this and entrust the envoy of a fallen god to escort dead souls to the mists?
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Oh and there are not Envoys for each of the gods. Their are probably more of them working on other continents and the Envoys we do see usually are alone.
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The question is why did Shiro want to become mortal again? to be able to directly influence the mortal realm without recourse to constructs? thats a load of BS.
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In this screenshot the envoy is talking about a debt owed to them by us? what debt could that be? the way I see it they are the ones heavily in debt to us for doing their dirty work for them
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Not sure how you missed the debt part. Remember Vizunah Square? where Shiro demonstrated his power by killing 16 heros in seconds without lifting a blade?.The Envoys saw this and realised Shiro must be stopped. And thats where the plot comes into place - they ressurect us and we repay them by taking care of Shiro.
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Mark Nevermiss
Well yea now that you mention it they did resurrect us there. Bad bad Shiro!!
keli
Now we know envoys. The answer for Shiros evil power is that Abaddon gave him "dark" power to corrupt souls (he easily could do this because he was an envoy..).
keli
Now we know envoys. The answer for Shiros evil power is that Abaddon gave him "dark" power to corrupt souls (he easily could do this because he was an envoy..). It helps a lot if you do some torment quests.
Shadowlion
I guess Shiro can not kill people in his envoy form after they become Weh no Su. That's why he did not kill us in Sunjiang District.
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I guess Shiro can not kill people in his envoy form after they become Weh no Su. That's why he did not kill us in Sunjiang District.
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Sophitia Leafblade
The reason he couldnt kill us in Sunjiang is because he was weakened by our meddling and by exerting his powers. Plus he had things to do, people to kill he couldn't me bothered with us hence why he just left instead.
Taala
Or as I jokingly say, his "Kill target and adjacent parties" spell has long recast time.
Sophitia Leafblade
lol or it could even be like a Res signet and he hasn't killed any bosses lately to re-power it 
thezed
Here is the way I see it...
Abbadon sent his minion, the fortuneteller, to corrupt Shiro's mind. After having been touched by Abbadon, Shiro kill's the Emporer then releases the Jade Wind, a power given to him by Abbadon's corruption, apon Cantha.
Now here is the key, Abbadon, being the God of Secrets, knew this act would earn Shiro the punishment of being an Envoy. Shiro was then given the knowledge he needed, by Abbadon, to make the constructs, the plage, and return to life in order to cause more caos in the mortal world. This was all done to prepare for Nightfall and his return. Lucky for the world that Abbadon's plan's did not include US.
Thats just my theory/way of looking at it. Some of it is in the lore, the rest is assumptions based on Abbadon being God of Secrets.
Abbadon sent his minion, the fortuneteller, to corrupt Shiro's mind. After having been touched by Abbadon, Shiro kill's the Emporer then releases the Jade Wind, a power given to him by Abbadon's corruption, apon Cantha.
Now here is the key, Abbadon, being the God of Secrets, knew this act would earn Shiro the punishment of being an Envoy. Shiro was then given the knowledge he needed, by Abbadon, to make the constructs, the plage, and return to life in order to cause more caos in the mortal world. This was all done to prepare for Nightfall and his return. Lucky for the world that Abbadon's plan's did not include US.
Thats just my theory/way of looking at it. Some of it is in the lore, the rest is assumptions based on Abbadon being God of Secrets.
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I'm fairly sure Master Togo and possibly Mhenlo as well had done that before, and they were killed by Shiro in Vizunah anyway.
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Then why they did not see Shiro?
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lol or it could even be like a Res signet and he hasn't killed any bosses lately to re-power it
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Or it could be that he simply didn't have space for it on his skillbar, instead having to replace it with skills like "create portal" and "use blood of a member of the Imperial family to return to life". Killing 18 level 20 characters in one gesture regardless of defenses HAS to be an elite, after all...
Shadowlion
Where said Togo was a Weh no Su?
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Where said Togo was a Weh no Su?
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DunedainJedi
Togo is one of the most respected heroes in Cantha.
I'm pretty sure he's Weh no Su.
I'm pretty sure he's Weh no Su.
Free Runner
Weh No Su has nothing to do with us getting killed by Shiro.Togo is obviously Weh No Su since he is the legendary Ritualist of Cantha. We are not so at that point we would not be able to interact or see Shiro. Like Taala said Shiro was lurking behind us when he killed us so Togo would not seen him anyway.
Remember the Envoys brought us back after Shiro left and they began the debt. Chances are since we are pretty fighting for them aswell as Cantha they gave us some defence to Shiros Envoy power.
"Your most recent encounter with Shiro sent you to a premature death, but the envoys intervened"
And after awhile one of the Envoys does say something like "We give back to you your newly departed souls" in which he does something causing enchantment rings to appear around us for a few seconds. This could be why he cannot finish us off so easy.
Remember the Envoys brought us back after Shiro left and they began the debt. Chances are since we are pretty fighting for them aswell as Cantha they gave us some defence to Shiros Envoy power.
"Your most recent encounter with Shiro sent you to a premature death, but the envoys intervened"
And after awhile one of the Envoys does say something like "We give back to you your newly departed souls" in which he does something causing enchantment rings to appear around us for a few seconds. This could be why he cannot finish us off so easy.