Jagged Bones

Jagged Bones - welcome to the useless elites club.

From a "great elite skill" to a "forget this elite skill", is useless, went do the gate of fear mission after the update, Olias MM as usual, jagged bones the elite slot. Conclusion is a waste of space, he can hardly keep 2-3 minions when normally there are 7-9 around.

Maybe i return to flesh golem at least i have a wall to block foes!

you know, minion masters finnaly had a good elite alternative to the flesh golem and now its complete garbage. i guess you could have called it over powered because it gave you unlimited minions if used right, but jagged horrors are low level and die fast anyway. also, in conjunction with feast for the dead and putrid flesh minion masters were able to spread conditions instead of just heal+summon+heal+summon..over and over again. it made minion masters more fun to play =(

it wasn't the unlimited minions, it was the massive energy recharge you could setup, basically, an infinite energy build. Now, I don't agree with 15 seconds, but I also think that 5 was a little too short, perhaps 10 is a happy medium.

check out my suggestion...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...7&postcount=59

Yet another reason I <3 my Flesh Golem.

Come on guys, you should know by now it's anet's mission to take anything that's halfways decent and make it completely useless. There isn't one good reason that I will accept for them making this 15 seconds instead of 10.

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Stop crying ffs, jagged + soul reaping was broken. It NEEDED to be nerfed badly, enough of this jagged gvg/ha crap. 6/7 necros + jagged = imbalanced, so quit your whining.

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Emik is actually right for once :P

a decent balanced team beats a gimmik build like jagged bones any day. alot of HA/GvG dervs carry banishing strike to destroy spirit spam and jagged. 1 banishing strike will kill an entire army of minos. learn to make strategies instead of breaking any skills that could possible be useful.

Banishing strike doesn't look like it's strong enough to destroy a minion, even a level 16 jagged. At 16 Scythe Mastery, the 90 holy damage would do 180 damage to a minion, plus 21 from the bonus damage and max 41 from the scythe is 242... and jagged horrors have closer to 400 health. Maybe followed up with a Chilling Victory the three you actually hit with your scythe might be dead.

Are minions targetable while they are doing their rising out of the ground animation? If not, then with the right ranger spirit or some ritualist skills, you can probably get the old recharge time down to where you have exactly one second from the time it becomes targettable before the minions death will do nothing more than save the minion master a casting of Taste of Death. If so, then you had about 3 seconds... a bit more doable if more than one person focused on it.

However, the best counter to a jagged/hex build would probably be just to verata's gaze/aura the minion away from them, breaking their cycle until the next death. However, I realize that's a very specialized counter that few builds have room for, so spike and enchant removal worked, especially combined with interruption/diversion.

On the other hand, a good jagged/hex team is going to have their jagged spammer half a radar behind the front lines... a virtually insurmountable distance in the face of a team with infinite energy. So maybe the right nerf should have been nothing more than to change the Soul Reaping range to earshot?

you counted banishing strike at a third of its power. you should always hit 3 minions, and the holy damage activates for each one you hit. thats a dead stack of minions.

Agreed, Coloneh.
Dont forget the undead bonus.
Hitting 3 minions results in an additional 270 holy damage, that hits twice as hard. 270*2=540dmg. This doesn't even take into account the base damage, which will be much closer to 90 than 40. Minions are also a lower level than the player, don't forget.
I always thought it a little funny that Banishing Strike is stronger than any smiting skill, and is non elite.

And Flesh Golem sucks.

Oh well, this a long history and long debate, i think that Anet should make 2 different skillsets. One for PVE and the other one PVP. Why all the PVE lovers continually are getting all the Nerfs not only in this skill and many others, because those pvpers are complaining about the skills, and they don't have the efficiency to make a balanced builds to defeat and unbalanced build, it's anoying all those changes, they nerferd SF, Jagged Bones, Para, blah blah blah.

I don't care what is going on PVP, please leave PVP and PVE with different skillsets.

Just my two cents.

Yes, I feel sorry for Jagged Bones.

-Sigh- If only there was another MM Nightfall Elite.

Oh wait.

[skill]Order of Undeath[/skill]

thats ok, but it means you have to use fiends and vamps for the speed and vamp. and then you dont get a meat wall, which is really the only point of minions. they dont do decent damage (without order of undeath).

Emik, I respect you and you're country more and more, but you must realize, that you're dealing with a mindles hoard of people here. Whatever you say, won't really matter, allthou, you make good arguments.

And there should be a "Complain" forum here, since ANet "regulary checks" sites like this for hints. THIS IS A HINT, unnurf jagged bones for 5-6 seconds or i will just have to be ranger as second .


Its almoast as bad a marketing move, as when they nerfed IDS runs...


c ya

i guess jagged bones wont be too bad if u have a 20/20 (20 % halves recharge of skills, weapon n offhand becomes 40%) 40% is pretty decent, its just doesn't come as often as 50%, but still comes pretty often (plus the 20/20 might even recharge ur shamblins straight away

Looks like I'll have to consider changing to another profession because in about a year or so necros prolly don't have any good skills left to use anymore.

agreed. continual nerfing just shows ANet is a bit of a bowdown imo. Any clown starts talking smack because he cant deal with sh1t and its 5 to 15 seconds....theres a saying for this..."either 8 or 80..."

can't do things properly..

the only reason Jagged Bones could be so good is coz its one of the harder elites to cap, so it was worth it. now its completely pointless.

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