This Scam just happened to me about 10 minutes ago.
I currently have an auction running here on GWguru and someone bought a Zealous Hammer Haft. I contacted the guy ingame and he said he already sold it. I thought: "great, another one of those guys that auction and at the same time look for one ig." But I nearly dropped of my seat when he told me he thought he bought it from me.
Apparently the guy made a PvP character that almost had the same name(Mine's Ferahgo Blackblade). His name was Ferahgo Blackblades or something close to that. He pmed the buyer a few hours ago acting as if he was me and then sold him the Zealous Hammer Haft. Probably the guy quickly ran to his storage, dropped the money and then deleted the character to make himself intraceable.
Watch out for this kind of danger, for me it's only a 4K "loss"(I didn't sell the item but have to find another buyer.) but the same thing could happen to 100K+ items. Scammer makes a PvP character with about the same name as seller, pms the buyer and makes the trade. Then quickly deletes the PvP char and dissapeares.
A new type of scam
tortugan
Haijiibirdhead
didnt quite get that , or maybe I did but
From what I understand of that the scammer has effectively stolen your buyer off you because lets say youre selling a Crystalline or something , he would still have to have a Crystalline of the exact same stats or so for any trade to take place whatsoever right?
From what I understand of that the scammer has effectively stolen your buyer off you because lets say youre selling a Crystalline or something , he would still have to have a Crystalline of the exact same stats or so for any trade to take place whatsoever right?
tortugan
Jep, basicly what he's doing is stealing customers from auctions here on GWguru
Zenos Squad
how do you lose 4k? you still have the zealous mod right? what i'm reading is he stole your name sold "his own" zealous mod to the buyer.
not really a scam unless he scammed you for that zealous mod...so you really didn't lose anything but time...
not really a scam unless he scammed you for that zealous mod...so you really didn't lose anything but time...
coldplay
this is not new , happens all the time since guru sell section is up.
Haijiibirdhead
Well its a semi scam , as he / she did in fact lose a part of their time.
tortugan
It's not a scam with me losing money, but one in which someone pretends to be you and selling it to a buyer in which you waste time and don't have a buyer.
Cacheelma
Sad thing is, there is no way to prevent this since it's a user-error.
tortugan
There is one way to prevent it, by finding out who the guy pretending to be you is, but only the buyer is able to do that sadly enough.
Cacheelma
and that's a prevention....how? The scam would have happened already before you can find who a "scammer" is in this case. That's not prevention.
tortugan
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and that's a prevention....how? The scam would have happened already before you can find who a "scammer" is in this case. That's not prevention.
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Cacheelma
You don't seem to get it. What I tried to say is that everybody can be a scammer. Let's face it, such scam is not THAT hard to pull out by anyone. How can you prevent this?
Longasc
The thing is
It matters only to you - the seller got his money.
And someone else the item.
You also cannot prevent this, as this is absolutely in the hands of the seller to sell to the right person, which they might actually not care about.
It matters only to you - the seller got his money.
And someone else the item.
You also cannot prevent this, as this is absolutely in the hands of the seller to sell to the right person, which they might actually not care about.
tortugan
Not. Cacheelma, you're right, there is absolutely no way you can prevent this.
noir0
I think he was saying that if people pay more attention then things like this might happen less. This is why i always add a guru name to my friendlist before trading with them, so nothing like this can happen :P
Vapor_Fighter
noir0 has a point to, the simple way to prevent this is looking at the name/adding them
Jelloblimp
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noir0 has a point to, the simple way to prevent this is looking at the name/adding them
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(So I can see when they are on).
LifeInfusion
Scam? More like buyers not caring so long as it is the same price.
If a gas station sells gas for $2.20 a gallon (low chance these days) and the one across the street also sells for the same price, as a buyer, would you care which one you buy from? Granted, if you had some kind of relation with the manager of one of the gas stations or something, it would be different. Pricewise, however, there is no difference. Therefore it is more of lame way of stealing business than a scam.
If a gas station sells gas for $2.20 a gallon (low chance these days) and the one across the street also sells for the same price, as a buyer, would you care which one you buy from? Granted, if you had some kind of relation with the manager of one of the gas stations or something, it would be different. Pricewise, however, there is no difference. Therefore it is more of lame way of stealing business than a scam.
tortugan
Life Infusion, you're right about that. THAT would be ok, but the case here was that the guy pretended to be me for a sale
mlandry
I always PM when I do trades, simpler that way; I also add them to Friend List to see when they are on... kind of weird when they PM you with a slightly different name and arent listed as online =p
Rodhin Kinning
It sucks your buisness was stollen by this person but as many has pointed out this in not a scam he just took your buisness. This would be no different then someone selling the same item for less. As long as they didnt dirty your name in anyway then I wouldnt worry about it.
tomcruisejr
Moral lesson: only trade in PvE areas
bad person
My question would be how the other seller got your IGN. Unless the seller bought something from you or sold something to you in the past, this would be 100% preventable. And if the seller did do business with you in the past through the auctions, it seems like an awful lot to go through just to sell an item for 4k.
greendc27
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Am I the only one adding buyers/sellers name to the friend list for trades?
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Mournblade
That happened to me - someone pretending to be me picked up an item that I had won the bid on. Pissed me off to no end because I was really looking forward to getting it. Its sad how much creativity people will put towards tricking, lying, and stealing in a freaking game.
And it may not matter to the seller, but it sure as hell will hurt their reputation when you let everybody know they can't be bothered to verify the identity of their customers. I now know there's one person I will never again buy an item from on these forums.
to bad person: We post our IGN's so that the seller can identify us. So its no trick for a punk of this nature to get the info. (In my case the person made a character named Mourn Blade, and the seller was too stupid to realize or verify thats not my IGN.)
And it may not matter to the seller, but it sure as hell will hurt their reputation when you let everybody know they can't be bothered to verify the identity of their customers. I now know there's one person I will never again buy an item from on these forums.
to bad person: We post our IGN's so that the seller can identify us. So its no trick for a punk of this nature to get the info. (In my case the person made a character named Mourn Blade, and the seller was too stupid to realize or verify thats not my IGN.)
fabiola
This isn't a scam its whats know as sniping a sale. Someone simply got to an interested buyer faster then you, aka agressive selling. They sold the item the buyer wanted and what the buyer wanted to pay. Other acts such as getting to a buyer and offering a lower price are referred to as undercutting the sale. This is good for the buyer since they get their item either faster or cheaper.
Ariena Najea
I only sell/buy with people here when I know their IGN. This way I add them to my friends, and I have no problem.
Terra Xin
prevention is making sure that the seller 'properly' knows your name - or he adds you to his/her friends list.
Smile Like Umean It
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Am I the only one adding buyers/sellers name to the friend list for trades?
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Zedd Kun
Nothing to do about it, so the only thing you did was to give an idea to the whole community. GG
Bread Fan
HAHA I can't believe you actually made a thread over something like this. If anything kudos to the guy stealing your sale, good business sense.
Relambrien
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Originally Posted by Longasc
The thing is
It matters only to you - the seller got his money. And someone else the item. You also cannot prevent this, as this is absolutely in the hands of the seller to sell to the right person, which they might actually not care about. |
Not so much a scam as a case of "I beat you to it." Since you don't lose an item or anything if you're beaten to the punch, you just have to spend a little more time looking for another buyer. Same thing happens in the real world.
bad person
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to bad person: We post our IGN's so that the seller can identify us. So its no trick for a punk of this nature to get the info. (In my case the person made a character named Mourn Blade, and the seller was too stupid to realize or verify thats not my IGN.)
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With your case and you being the buyer, was your transaction an auction or a purchase from the sell or high end forum? I agree that it can happen a little easier in the forums, but the OP was referring specifically to an auction.
Age
The only way to prevent this is not to do and exchanges on the Battle Islands as PvP char.s can't leave there best to have some sort of trading area.
S_Serpent
Simple, both seller and buyers should doublecheck, adding a name to your friendslist is just a couple off seconds work, and that helps you buying and selling to the right people
NeHoMaR
This is NOT a scam. Is someone "personificating" you; Not sure if this is against the game rules. Anyway he/she could actually scam using your (faked) name, but that is a different thing.