Compare Rangers self heal to warrior.
Healing signet verse Troll urgent is a good example.
In past updates healing signet has been buffed, but troll urgent has remained as slow as ever.
I think its time troll Urgent got a buff in recharge time, its so slow and easily interupted.
Compared to most healing moves it is pritty lacking.
Your thoughts?
What are current thoughts on rangers self heal?
markus_thom
Franco Power
Maybe reduce the casting time to 2 instead of 3 would be a nice start. 
Issac
Yeah, the casting time needs to be reduced. 2 would be nice
pingu666
ya 2 seconds would be nice
mathijn
casting down to 2 sec would be cool....
waiting for 3 seconds before your regen starts...its F*CKed up.
waiting for 3 seconds before your regen starts...its F*CKed up.
ColaManiac
Troll unguent: it was a nice skill 1,5 years ago... but now... you can easily take more dmg in that 3 secs than you heal in 10 secs and giving a huge degeneration is a lot easier than before...
Healing spring: too easily interrupted to be used in the mid of the battle...
predatory bond: meh... nice skill, but works only with high BM
Heal as one: it's a nice skill but... i think they should remove the 75% thingy
predatory season: not that good since it also helps enemies...
Healing spring: too easily interrupted to be used in the mid of the battle...
predatory bond: meh... nice skill, but works only with high BM
Heal as one: it's a nice skill but... i think they should remove the 75% thingy
predatory season: not that good since it also helps enemies...
Cathode_Reborn
[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]
Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar.
Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar.
Straegaard
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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]
Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar. well, I think most people would like a heal that doesn't force them to stop attacking while they regen
Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar. well, I think most people would like a heal that doesn't force them to stop attacking while they regen
drupal
I have no problems with Trolls. For me it's a nice skill, in PvP I use Natural Stride and heal myself outside of the main battle.
Amy Awien
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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]
Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar. If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.
It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds.
Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar. If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.
It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds.
Cathode_Reborn
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.
It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds. It requires barely any points in healing for it to actually heal well. Obviously this isn't a very good heal in PvP but outside of that, it does well. Don't forget everyone doesn't use NS =p
If you're not using your 2ndary class and arn't using any Wilderness skills, this is a good heal. The downside of it ending when you attack/use a skill isn't always that bad - Once you activate it, just start attacking whenever you feel you've been healed enough.
It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds. It requires barely any points in healing for it to actually heal well. Obviously this isn't a very good heal in PvP but outside of that, it does well. Don't forget everyone doesn't use NS =p
If you're not using your 2ndary class and arn't using any Wilderness skills, this is a good heal. The downside of it ending when you attack/use a skill isn't always that bad - Once you activate it, just start attacking whenever you feel you've been healed enough.
Cathode_Reborn
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.
It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds. It requires barely any points in healing for it to actually heal well. Obviously this isn't a very good heal in PvP but outside of that, it does well. Don't forget everyone doesn't use NS =p
If you're not using your 2ndary class and arn't using any Wilderness skills, this is a good heal. The downside of it ending when you attack/use a skill isn't always that bad - Once you activate it, just start attacking whenever you feel you've been healed enough.
As for Unguent, my main prob with it is just the casttime. It's powerful because once you've casted it, there's no way to remove it. It's still not enough for me though, cause you need a somewhat high rank in Wilderness for it to heal well.
EDIT: argh, accidentally double posted >_<
It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds. It requires barely any points in healing for it to actually heal well. Obviously this isn't a very good heal in PvP but outside of that, it does well. Don't forget everyone doesn't use NS =p
If you're not using your 2ndary class and arn't using any Wilderness skills, this is a good heal. The downside of it ending when you attack/use a skill isn't always that bad - Once you activate it, just start attacking whenever you feel you've been healed enough.
As for Unguent, my main prob with it is just the casttime. It's powerful because once you've casted it, there's no way to remove it. It's still not enough for me though, cause you need a somewhat high rank in Wilderness for it to heal well.
EDIT: argh, accidentally double posted >_<
markus_thom
Yeah ranger does not have any healing skills outside the wilderness artribute, so like always if your running a build with lots of points in markmanship and whith points in expertise, you have nothing left over with to heal with.
More discouragement to play bow builds, dont forget your a sitting target now that they removed evade mechanic.
Maybe some health heal skills in other artributes that help with defence.
More discouragement to play bow builds, dont forget your a sitting target now that they removed evade mechanic.
Maybe some health heal skills in other artributes that help with defence.
Stormlord Alex
At the moment... If I truly must take a self-heal - I'm with Cathode, and use Restful Breeze. It's a full 10 regen for a few seconds, even at 3 Healing Prayers, allowing me to spread my attributes elsewhere if I was only considering WS for a self-heal. Though hero monks are so good I'd rather take another interrupt. 
SnipiousMax
2 secs on Troll would be ridiculous.
As far as self heals go, it depends on what i need it for. Troll is a great 'pre-heal' and get-back-into-the-action heal. As a combat heal... it's terrible.
Personally, I think rather than delving into self-heals, the Ranger is better served preventing damage until they can get to a point where they can use Troll... or depend on another to heal them up.
As far as self heals go, it depends on what i need it for. Troll is a great 'pre-heal' and get-back-into-the-action heal. As a combat heal... it's terrible.
Personally, I think rather than delving into self-heals, the Ranger is better served preventing damage until they can get to a point where they can use Troll... or depend on another to heal them up.
chris_nin00
I think troll is fine at what it is now. We, as rangers, have enough evasive skills to make it work. The proposed 2 seconds is too fast in my opinion.
The only thing that troubles me, is the fact that it's in wilderness survival... I have to put some points in there to work. It really, kills build flexibility.
Any minor buff would be nice though
The only thing that troubles me, is the fact that it's in wilderness survival... I have to put some points in there to work. It really, kills build flexibility.
Any minor buff would be nice though
markus_thom
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Originally Posted by chris_nin00
I think troll is fine at what it is now. We, as rangers, have enough evasive skills to make it work. The proposed 2 seconds is too fast in my opinion.
The only thing that troubles me, is the fact that it's in wilderness survival... I have to put some points in there to work. It really, kills build flexibility.
Any minor buff would be nice though
Thats the thing evasive has been changed to block, we have less defense now.
The most common time to use troll urgent is when under the effect of a stance.
I'd love it if they made the casting time apply to when moving instead of just when you stand still.
Just dreaming about that one, But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.
The only thing that troubles me, is the fact that it's in wilderness survival... I have to put some points in there to work. It really, kills build flexibility.
Any minor buff would be nice though
Thats the thing evasive has been changed to block, we have less defense now.The most common time to use troll urgent is when under the effect of a stance.
I'd love it if they made the casting time apply to when moving instead of just when you stand still.
Just dreaming about that one, But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.
Amy Awien
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Originally Posted by chris_nin00
If it's for out-of-combat situations, 2 seconds wouldn't be a problem either. It would still not very usefull, in combat, but you wouldn't have to wait soooo long.
Quote: Originally Posted by markus_thom ... so like always if your running a build with lots of points in markmanship and whith points in expertise, you have nothing left over with to heal with ... You'll always be stuck with having to compromise something to gain another, but bringing marks from 16 to 14 isn't such a big deal and will give you enough points for another attribute to become usefull.
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Originally Posted by markus_thom
... But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.
I wouldn't say it's crap, it's a 180 HP heal for 2 or 3 energy, but it's just slooow.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by markus_thom
But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.
not even close. its easily the most energy-efficient(non signet) heal in the game.
Raven Nebula
I started using vigorous spirit as my healer a little while back. I found that for me I can keep my health up pretty well while still attacking, especially if you're using barrage. Live vicariously has the same idea and since it's an enchantment you can just leave it on. Of course you need to have mo as your second for both skills, but for me it's easily worth it. With 7 in healing prayers (using VS) i can get 12 health hour of every shot...using barrage and tiger's fury...all is well.
I definitely agree that Trolls is not the best ever. The advantage of course is that you can keep points in WS and not move them elsewhere.
drupal
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Originally Posted by markus_thom
But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.
Up to +10 non removeable health regeneration for 5 energy are crap, ololol.
Tiny Killer
I say Troll is a thing of beauty. I feel it is the best self-heal in the game as the cost is low and it cannot be removed. Also, it works great as a pre-heal before entering an area/fight. I have played my ranger for quite some time and TU, with very few exceptions, is my heal of choice.
Evilsod
Meh... there was never really a problem with it. It just gets less favourable each chapter.
Why bother using Troll Unguent at 3s and plenty of Wilderness Survival attributes if you don't need WS when you can just bring Leaders Comfort and get 140 health for nothing at 2s cast.... LC is just way too easy to use at its full potential when your not even primary paragon. For a living team you get 100 health. A few pets, an MM or some random NPCs and 140 is easy.
malko050987
As a R/Ele, Troll Unguent is invaluable. Saved my life several times. Having it activate faster would be good, but I have no problems with it as it is.
Chris
Dutch Masterr
i like troll unguent, it cant be removed. it would be nice to have a 2 second cast though. restfull breeze is definintley a good choice too. considering rangers have very high survivabilty and are (or usually should be) the farthest away from the front line, a better heal isnt really needed. if a ranger gets a bunch of melee on himself, they have all the blocking, cripple, blind and running skills. rangers can interupt, and even shut down casters. i like rangers because they are simmilar to assassins in their movements. they are quick and can get out of danger fast...the only difference is that rangers are usually not targets =P
Issac
Well, they could keep it as it is and allow it to remove a condition or two when used.
chris_nin00
Wow, looks like I'm out of the loop with this evasive thing. 1 year did it's job, I feel like a total... 'newbie'. Are there any new ranger skills that can serve as a self heal?
I guess troll could use a shorter cast time, taking into consideration that evasive = blocked, but I won't mind if it stays the same as it is now. It is still one of the best self heals compared to the other professions. |
