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Aran Deathslinger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

04 Feb 2007 at 21:30 - 1

I wrote this for myself, and share it in the hopes that someone else may find it useful. Like all rules, these are best applied to oneself. I find they help me to enjoy the game more, and serve no greater or altruistic purpose.

Be kind, not just to the unskilled, or the inattentive, but even to the elitist, the arrogant, the thoughtless.

Be respectful. Don't disregard people.

Give advice rarely and gently.

When possible, try to help make up for areas in which the team is lacking, rather than pointing out mistakes or weaknesses.

Always bring people who need a mission or quest instead of heroes/henchmen.

Don't take yourself too seriously. It's more fun to laugh at yourself than at someone else.

Admit your mistakes openly, and be lenient with other people's mistakes.

Be humble, and resist the urge to defend yourself, or your point of view whenever possible. Whether you are right or wrong, people will appreciate your having been gracious about it.

Don't rush other players, or yourself.

Give things away. Items, gold, ecto (gasp!). Trust me, you'll be glad you did. Iirc I've had five or six Scareaters, and none mean as much to me as my first Kephet's Refuge, given to me at level 9 by a stranger I had quested with for a few hours.

Disclaimer: I'm not a good example of this or anything. I actually did write these rules for myself, and rarely if ever follow them all or perfectly. That said, if you see me in game saying “Aaaahhkh monk! No more echo healing breeze!” or “WHY WHY must you aggro those mursaat patrols again! We're not infused!” you have my permission to tell me to go read my own post . Now just 99 more positive things to do to balance my karmic debt for today...

Pan Head

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/R

04 Feb 2007 at 21:39 - 2

would be nice if everyone did play by these rules, but it is not a perfect world and it seems more dont than do.

but it is a nice list.

Ashleigh McMahon

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

North East England

WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld]

Mo/Me

04 Feb 2007 at 21:41 - 3

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Originally Posted by Aran Deathslinger

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Be kind, not just to the unskilled, or the inattentive, but even to the elitist, the arrogant, the thoughtless.

I totally agree and try to follow them rules you stated. The only one I don't wholeheartedly agree with is 1.

I approach anyone I meet with respect and a 'loving' manor...but in some cases, peoples arrogance and egocentric aspects just get to me. I'm a lover not a fighter - but if someone really does something directly and purposely to piss me off then I will not stand for it.

Ashleigh

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

04 Feb 2007 at 22:26 - 4

I would like to say that there's a huge difference between "rules" and "guidelines." The former implies that your edicts are the letter of the law and are punishable if broken.

And most of them are incredulous generalizations.

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1. Be kind, not just to the unskilled, or the inattentive, but even to the elitist, the arrogant, the thoughtless.

Are you implying that elitism, arrogance, and thoughtlessness are the same? That's incredibly stereotypical.

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2. Be respectful. Don't disregard people.

True. But what can you do if they are disrespectful?

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3. Give advice rarely and gently.

To an extent. I forgo "gently" at the end-game, where a lack of common sense is costly.

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4. When possible, try to help make up for areas in which the team is lacking, rather than pointing out mistakes or weaknesses.

Warirors can't exactly help with healing, and Monks can't help with Damage. And you only have 8 slots to work with. How are you supposed to know a team's weaknesses before you enter a mission? You can't.

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5. Always bring people who need a mission or quest instead of heroes/henchmen.

That extends to your #4; you don't know if bringing a person is worth it. I usually prefer natural selection; if they can't do it, then they shouldn't.

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6. Don't take yourself too seriously. It's more fun to laugh at yourself than at someone else.

Same exact thing as #3. If other people are making mistakes, tell them. (and I don't understand how "laughing at yourself" is better; doesn't that promote incompetance?)

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7. Admit your mistakes openly, and be lenient with other people's mistakes.

Again, same as #3. There's a big difference between a mistake and a lack of common sense. And sadly, the latter occurs more often.

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8. Be humble, and resist the urge to defend yourself, or your point of view whenever possible. Whether you are right or wrong, people will appreciate your having been gracious about it.

Or just consider that no one cares. It's the Internet. You can't be Gandhi. If you ignore an argument, you won't accomplish anything. If you continue an argument, you won't accomplish anything. Lose-Lose. And you have one million other potential jerks left.

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9. Don't rush other players, or yourself.

Factions and Nightfall missions contradict that rule completely.

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10.Give things away. Items, gold, ecto (gasp!). Trust me, you'll be glad you did. Iirc I've had five or six Scareaters, and none mean as much to me as my first Kephet's Refuge, given to me at level 9 by a stranger I had quested with for a few hours.

Again, natural selection. If a person wants something, they should work for it. If not, the human race would die out.

Yes, I may be pessimistic, but that's because optimism is even more dangerous.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

04 Feb 2007 at 22:53 - 5

just being nice is ... nice, but as rest if world is not, be realistic:

1) Keep open mind, approach other player kindly and in mature way untill they prove they dont deserve respect.

2) If you see someone doing mistake and you are 100% sure about it, correct him gently, it is for his good and eventually helps every team he will ever join. If your advice is responded badly, make your point simply and clearly and be done with it - dont argue with someone who wants to stay cluseless.

3) Dont help leeches, Dont give aways stuff to leeches. Help people who deserve help - people whio can ask nicely for it, people who want to learn, people who try 1st and shout for help 2nd.

4) No matter who you play with, dont ever quit mission.

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

04 Feb 2007 at 23:23 - 6

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I would like to say that there's a huge difference between "rules" and "guidelines." The former implies that your edicts are the letter of the law and are punishable if broken.

And most of them are incredulous generalizations.

Are you implying that elitism, arrogance, and thoughtlessness are the same? That's incredibly stereotypical.

True. But what can you do if they are disrespectful?

To an extent. I forgo "gently" at the end-game, where a lack of common sense is costly.

Warirors can't exactly help with healing, and Monks can't help with Damage. And you only have 8 slots to work with. How are you supposed to know a team's weaknesses before you enter a mission? You can't.

That extends to your #4; you don't know if bringing a person is worth it. I usually prefer natural selection; if they can't do it, then they shouldn't.

Same exact thing as #3. If other people are making mistakes, tell them. (and I don't understand how "laughing at yourself" is better; doesn't that promote incompetance?)

Again, same as #3. There's a big difference between a mistake and a lack of common sense. And sadly, the latter occurs more often.

Or just consider that no one cares. It's the Internet. You can't be Gandhi. If you ignore an argument, you won't accomplish anything. If you continue an argument, you won't accomplish anything. Lose-Lose. And you have one million other potential jerks left.

Factions and Nightfall missions contradict that rule completely.

Again, natural selection. If a person wants something, they should work for it. If not, the human race would die out.

Yes, I may be pessimistic, but that's because optimism is even more dangerous.

My opinion on Zinger314 response: What a sad person you are, don't forget this is a game not real life.
On the other hand..... Zinger314 you should try to be more optimist than pessimist, optimism is a better way to see things around you and it makes everything easier and enjoyable!

All the best to you.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

04 Feb 2007 at 23:27 - 7

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Originally Posted by Angelica

My opinion on Zinger314 response: What a sad person you are, don't forget this is a game not real life.
On the other hand..... Zinger314 you should try to be more optimist than pessimist, optimism is a better way to see things around you and it makes everything easier and enjoyable!

All the best to you.

Yes, but I am playing with human beings, which require some input from "real life" to interact with. There's not as great a difference as people think.

And yes, optimism is bad. Remember the whole thing about WMDs in Iraq?

If you sugarcoat everything, you'll get fat. And being fat sucks.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

04 Feb 2007 at 23:58 - 8

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Yes, but I am playing with human beings, which require some input from "real life" to interact with. There's not as great a difference as people think.

And yes, optimism is bad. Remember the whole thing about WMDs in Iraq?

If you sugarcoat everything, you'll get fat. And being fat sucks.

You're right, sugarcoating is bad.. but so is piss and vinegar. Your negative attitude can be picked up by others and then everybody is in a bad mood. The saying goes, 'You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.'

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

05 Feb 2007 at 00:16 - 9

This thread should be renamed "rules for being a doormat"

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

05 Feb 2007 at 00:22 - 10

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

You're right, sugarcoating is bad.. but so is piss and vinegar. Your negative attitude can be picked up by others and then everybody is in a bad mood. The saying goes, 'You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.'

Moot point.

It's the freaking Internet!

Right now, I could be typing this completely nude while robbing a bank. But you don't know that. That's the beauty of the internet.

You don't know how a person is in real life, even when you talk to them through the internet.

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

05 Feb 2007 at 00:37 - 11

i gave an ecto to a guildie who is saving for FoW monk top.

felt really cool after :P 10k Ghasp!

Effendi Westland

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Isle of the dead

[DVDF][LDS]

P/W

05 Feb 2007 at 00:39 - 12

derailed thread

noir0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

05 Feb 2007 at 01:04 - 13

But zinger, didn't you know?!

Man.. all this because the op said rules instead of guidelines.. semantics at it's peak.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

05 Feb 2007 at 01:48 - 14

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

derailed thread

Derailed? What else would happen in this thread? The OP posts a list. Not much to do, except agree or disagree. I obviously chose the latter.

Critiquing my critiques derails this thread even more. And me responding to the criqitue of my critique also derails it. It's a vicious cycle.

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Originally Posted by noir0

Man.. all this because the op said rules instead of guidelines.. semantics at it's peak.

Reading comprehension is even more serious business. (also, ignoring an entire well-reasoned post is also quite mature.)

I made that distinction just as a general comment. Not as my main point.

I would appreciate it if people disagree with me, they give reasons. And I'll gladly debate.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

05 Feb 2007 at 01:57 - 15

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Moot point.

It's the freaking Internet!

Right now, I could be typing this completely nude while robbing a bank. But you don't know that. That's the beauty of the internet.

You don't know how a person is in real life, even when you talk to them through the internet.

What you are doing behind your monitor is also a moot point. How you convey yourself in words while you interact with others is how you are judged. And if you are overly critical, negative, and/or just downright mean then you aren't going to get a lot of positive results.

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

05 Feb 2007 at 02:00 - 16

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

You're right, sugarcoating is bad.. but so is piss and vinegar. Your negative attitude can be picked up by others and then everybody is in a bad mood. The saying goes, 'You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.'

Zinger is one of the most helpful people out there, I got helped ingame so much thanks to Zinger. So don't say he's negative when he expresses his opinion, your being negative by putting someones constructive argument down with piss and vinegar.

And I agree with Zinger, this game has stupid people and good people, but there is more of the latter, sadly.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

05 Feb 2007 at 02:04 - 17

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

What you are doing behind your monitor is also a moot point. How you convey yourself in words while you interact with others is how you are judged. And if you are overly critical, negative, and/or just downright mean then you aren't going to get a lot of positive results.

Let me pose a hypothetical question; In an end-game enviroment, where people expect to know their class well, who's worse: A Warrior who uses Frenzy and runs into mobs of enemies even after being told not to, or the person who yells in frustration at the Warrior to not do those things?

In response to Sujoy's compliment; yes, I am helpful, and I try to help. I ferried people into Urgoz's Warren when it was cool. I answered any question. I did missions for free. But there are some things I will not help. For example, I would not help with missions such as Aurora Glade or Zen Daijun, because they were easy, and I do not want to give players a free ride. I want them to learn. And in later missions, when I help with Gate of Madness, if the group isn't structured properly, I won't join. Why? It's not because I'm elitist or negative, it's because I don't want to enter a mission where we are bound to fail. Too much risk.

-.-

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

05 Feb 2007 at 02:08 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sujoy

Zinger is one of the most helpful people out there, I got helped ingame so much thanks to Zinger. So don't say he's negative when he expresses his opinion, your being negative by putting someones constructive argument down with piss and vinegar.

And I agree with Zinger, this game has stupid people and good people, but there is more of the latter, sadly.

I think you meant the former.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

05 Feb 2007 at 02:11 - 19

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Originally Posted by -.-

I think you meant the former.

Quoted For Truth.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

05 Feb 2007 at 02:13 - 20

There are a lot of idiots playing this game.

A lot.

If I spent my time teaching them all, giving them things they refuse to work for themselves, trying my damndest to "be polite" to each and every one of them, I'd have long ago quit in sheer frustration.

Being nice isn't worth it. It doesn't get you anywhere.

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

05 Feb 2007 at 02:40 - 21

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Originally Posted by -.-

I think you meant the former.

thanks for the correction, I think (english is not my first language)

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

05 Feb 2007 at 02:46 - 22

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There are a lot of idiots playing this game.

A lot.

If I spent my time teaching them all, giving them things they refuse to work for themselves, trying my damndest to "be polite" to each and every one of them, I'd have long ago quit in sheer frustration.

Being nice isn't worth it. It doesn't get you anywhere.

^ QFT

rules of conduct when dealing with poor players:

1. flame the living daylights out of them.

if they: A) flame you back:

then: 2A: flame them some more before kicking them

if they: B) ask for help:

then do: 2B: help them. be blunt.

3: if they still suck after 2B, and makes no attempt to play better, then flame them again and kick.

if everyone do the above, then there will be no more wammos in RA. maybe.

(ps: sorry, but i've just had the privilege of grouping up with 5 wammos today. i deserve to vent a little bit.)

noir0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

05 Feb 2007 at 03:04 - 23

I'm sorry for not putting my very valid point into a long, descriptive critcal post zinger, but i don't see the need to. After all, someone with such a comprehension of such construcive points as your self, shouldn't need MY help on understanding it at all, right?

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

05 Feb 2007 at 03:17 - 24

you think by making yourself look stupid is stating your point?

bug_out

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/E

05 Feb 2007 at 03:17 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by noir0

I'm sorry for not putting my very valid point into a long, descriptive critcal post zinger, but i don't see the need to. After all, someone with such a comprehension of such construcive points as your self, shouldn't need MY help on understanding it at all, right?

QFT

Couldn't have said it better myself.

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

05 Feb 2007 at 03:24 - 26

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Originally Posted by Aran Deathslinger

[*]When possible, try to help make up for areas in which the team is lacking, rather than pointing out mistakes or weaknesses.

I think this actually boils down to less talk and more action!

There's nothing wrong with trying to be a good person and have some respect, guys. Yes, there's people who are asking to be told off or flamed. But there's also a lot of good players out there who just need some direction. I've seen some potentially great players beat down by some pretty arrogant people who aren't interested in why things are going wrong, just that it is.

I think giving away stuff should be done with some common sense - if someone is sitting around in Shing Jea yelling "please someone give me 2k!" or something like that, well, that's obvious. But if you have something you don't need, and it won't sell for much, there's no harm in saying "hey, would someone be able to use this?" Hell, impose some rules - no one over level 10. Or approach someone who looks lost; we see them all the time, the people going "I'm confused, WTF just happened?!?" after the Searing for instance (like myself, who suddenly went "whoa WTF?!?!?")

Sure, you might give it to a loser bum. But you might also give it to someone who really needed it.

What's more likely to make a player a better player? Someone screaming "YOU NOOB" at them, or saying, "Hey, here's a thought." And if you're nice to a person and give them some advice, and they tell you where to stick it, cut loose! Now they're just being a jerk.

Don't take crap, but don't dish it either.

Be firm, don't be a pushover, but don't be a jerk unless someone else starts it (and then all bets are off).

Overall these are reasonable things to keep in mind, semantics aside.

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

05 Feb 2007 at 03:25 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Moot point.

It's the freaking Internet!

Right now, I could be typing this completely nude while robbing a bank. But you don't know that. That's the beauty of the internet.

You don't know how a person is in real life, even when you talk to them through the internet.

I really hate to say it even if it has been said, but I am going to any way as its just entirely obvious. Its an attitude and a view like this that takes online communities from the highest high to being under a pile of crap. People use the internet's anonymity as an excuse to do what ever the heck they want to anyone they want. Its the exact reason why the things we frown on in everyday person to person activity runs ramped and rancid for that matter online. That is not a beauty of the internet. People in general that have this view tend to take this view with them everywhere they go online, not just in game it extends way outside of the game. We all eventually pay for it. I could go on and on with this for hours giving you examples of exactly why this is bad, but hey Google is your friend so why should I waste my time.

That is not to be a troll or point at anyone specific, its a problem in general. Google is your friend.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

05 Feb 2007 at 03:31 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroclown

I could go on and on with this for hours giving you examples of exactly why this is bad, but hey Google is your friend so why should I waste my time.

Quoting for irony.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

05 Feb 2007 at 05:16 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sujoy

Zinger is one of the most helpful people out there, I got helped ingame so much thanks to Zinger. So don't say he's negative when he expresses his opinion, your being negative by putting someones constructive argument down with piss and vinegar.

Nobody is attacking Zingers character, so back off please. You're doing to me what you accuse me of doing to Zinger. I made a general comment about negativity being unconstructive.

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Originally Posted by Zinger

Let me pose a hypothetical question; In an end-game enviroment, where people expect to know their class well, who's worse: A Warrior who uses Frenzy and runs into mobs of enemies even after being told not to, or the person who yells in frustration at the Warrior to not do those things?

Neither are helping the group. Neither are acceptible to me. If you are truly a helpful player then you do what you can to improve the situation. Sure, there are some people who are out to be jerks and can't be helped. It still doesn't help things for you to create an even worse situation by wasting your time arguing with them.

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

05 Feb 2007 at 05:35 - 30

just because its the internet/a game doesn't mean people should throw all sense of humanity out the window.

i live by the same rule on the internet as i do in real life - be kind and thoughtful until the person makes it quite clear they're not worth it. i usually leave it at that, and maybe throw a couple tongue-in-cheek remarks their way at worst in the hopes that maybe you can fight fire with fire in some situations.

Whiplashr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

05 Feb 2007 at 06:15 - 31

These are good rules to LIVE by, not just to play by. Sadly, they will be lost on people who are still haven't "grown up" fully. One day they will see the light, and see everyone who is like they used to be for what they truly are.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

05 Feb 2007 at 10:02 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

I would appreciate it if people disagree with me, they give reasons. And I'll gladly debate.

Believe it or not, not everyone wants Riverside threads to turn into essay-writing competitions. You don't need a wall of text to push a point if it's decisive.

For example, noir0's picture is perfectly placed.

This is a game, and the two points of a game are to win, and to have fun. Everything you do should be towards achieving one of these aims, otherwise why spend your time?

And if you can't laugh at yourself from time to time... it's not a question of incompetence, it's an issue of being good enough at what you do that you can play around and still achieve your aims.

Rodhin Kinning

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Arkansas

Survivors Of RhyDin [SoR]

W/Mo

05 Feb 2007 at 15:00 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Believe it or not, not everyone wants Riverside threads to turn into essay-writing competitions. You don't need a wall of text to push a point if it's decisive.

For example, noir0's picture is perfectly placed.

This is a game, and the two points of a game are to win, and to have fun. Everything you do should be towards achieving one of these aims, otherwise why spend your time?

And if you can't laugh at yourself from time to time... it's not a question of incompetence, it's an issue of being good enough at what you do that you can play around and still achieve your aims.

Thanks Avarre.

And I do believe these guidlines should be used by any playerbase. You would be surprized on how much you might LIKE playing this game if that ever happened. And if not these guidlines then I would then offer the one I use and go by. Respect. Plain and simple.

Talon one

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

ice

W/

05 Feb 2007 at 16:43 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Are you implying that elitism, arrogance, and thoughtlessness are the same? That's incredibly stereotypical.

what he means is that you should be kind and respectful not only to your peers but to anyone, especially those that dont 'deserve' it.

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True. But what can you do if they are disrespectful?

live and learn that kindness pwns rudeness?

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

05 Feb 2007 at 16:48 - 35

Basically you can either do all that or just not follow #5 and fill your party with heroes and henchmen when there aren't enough guildies and friends around, in which case the rest become completely irrelevant and the entire gaming experience becomes much more relaxing and fun. I know my choice.

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

05 Feb 2007 at 17:07 - 36

I agree with most of the "Rules" But there are a few people who think they know everything, like, Rank means everything in PvE.

Which is like Seperation of Church and state. PvE is state, PvP is the church. (Really! No BS!) PvP affects PvE, but PvE doesn't affect PvP.

#3 I'll give advice to newbies, and make tell people what to expect in the upcoming mission/area. I don't want my group to be crappy

I disagree with #6 I like laughing at The henchies.

With #7, If you tell them about the mistake, and KEEP DOING IT, FOrget it. I can tolerate a few, but if someone friggen KNOWS they're doing something wrong and keeps doing it, I'm not gonna overlook it

#8 Well, to a point. In a discussion, go for it. If you KNOW because of sufficent testing, devs stated, ETC, then Hold the fortress, If you arn't sure, Don't.

#9 In factions, If you want masters, RUSH LIKE HELL IS AFTER YOUR RUMP!

#10 to a point, if people are constantly begging, or are begging for gold, Don't help. I'll help newbies, I don't help Whiners, Beggars, Or losers.

A. Noid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/A

R/E

05 Feb 2007 at 18:01 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aran Deathslinger

I wrote this for myself, and share it in the hopes that someone else may find it useful. Like all rules, these are best applied to oneself. I find they help me to enjoy the game more, and serve no greater or altruistic purpose.

Be kind, not just to the unskilled, or the inattentive, but even to the elitist, the arrogant, the thoughtless.

Be respectful. Don't disregard people.

Give advice rarely and gently.

When possible, try to help make up for areas in which the team is lacking, rather than pointing out mistakes or weaknesses.

Always bring people who need a mission or quest instead of heroes/henchmen.

Don't take yourself too seriously. It's more fun to laugh at yourself than at someone else.

Admit your mistakes openly, and be lenient with other people's mistakes.

Be humble, and resist the urge to defend yourself, or your point of view whenever possible. Whether you are right or wrong, people will appreciate your having been gracious about it.

Don't rush other players, or yourself.

Give things away. Items, gold, ecto (gasp!). Trust me, you'll be glad you did. Iirc I've had five or six Scareaters, and none mean as much to me as my first Kephet's Refuge, given to me at level 9 by a stranger I had quested with for a few hours.

Disclaimer: I'm not a good example of this or anything. I actually did write these rules for myself, and rarely if ever follow them all or perfectly. That said, if you see me in game saying “Aaaahhkh monk! No more echo healing breeze!” or “WHY WHY must you aggro those mursaat patrols again! We're not infused!” you have my permission to tell me to go read my own post . Now just 99 more positive things to do to balance my karmic debt for today...

I, for one, appreciate your message. Reminds me of what my grandmother taught me sooo many years ago. I would also suggest, to those who have stated that being kind will get you nowhere, that I believe you are missing out.
Yes, everyone gets burned and abused somedays. But there are moments where your acts of kindness will return a bounty of wealth. And not just the physical stuff=).

Peace,
A.Noid

narked

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/E

05 Feb 2007 at 19:59 - 38

Yeah, I appreciate this post too, good on you....

10) Give things away: Never forgot my 1st chaos axe, given to me on my 1st char over a year ago. A year later gave it away to a warrior in need after questing with them. I often give stuff away to people, but usually after questing with them, and have met some good people this way who I quest with regularly.I never give to people begging in towns

What goes around comes around.... Recently been given stuff in return, and received help from those who I once helped out ages back.....

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

05 Feb 2007 at 20:20 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Moot point.

It's the freaking Internet!

Right now, I could be typing this completely nude while robbing a bank. But you don't know that. That's the beauty of the internet.

You don't know how a person is in real life, even when you talk to them through the internet.

By your rationale if it is the internet then it doesn't matter. Logically then you shouldn't be here spewing forth venom in a thread that was obviously intended as a good natured attempt at community improvement. Since it is on the internet it doesn't matter and is therefore unworthy of your attention or even a response.

That being said I applaud the OP. Those are good rules and I try to play by them, although sometimes I lack the patience to do so. If even a handful of people read this and go out and try to be nicer then it will go a long way towards inspiring other people to be nicer and that eventually leads to improvement community wide.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

W/

05 Feb 2007 at 20:34 - 40

Well, I for one am surprised that anyone still attempts to post nice thoughts on these forums anymore. Look at all the grief given to the OP in this one thread alone.

I like the rules and try act civilly towards all players in the game up to a point. I do however disagree with Rule #1. There are a lot of scammers and jerks in Guild Wars. (In any game, in fact) I'm always nice to fellow players unless I see that they fit into the "scammer","cheater" or "jerk" category. Some folks are just there to try and ruin the game for others. These folks don't deserve my respect or civility and they won't get any.

One thing that I see way too much of however is flaming folks with poor playing skills. Ok, so maybe you really don't want that Wammo that's aggro'ing all the little red dots on the screen while spamming Healing Breeze on your team. Instead of cussing him out, how about politely telling him why his playing style sucks and give him an opportunity to learn. If he continues to ignore you then you can politely tell him to find another team or practice some more with henchies. After all, that wammo may just be a little kid who is still learning the game.

I think you alway need to take into account where you are in the game. There are too many generalizations in the forums like "any monk spamming Flare thru the mission is a crappy player!!" Well, if that monk is in Thunderhead Keep then I agree, but if the monk is in the Fort Ranik mission then they probably can solo the mission just fine spamming flare and healing breeze. If you are in a high level area then you should expect a certain level of play from your team and feel free be picky with your teammates. If instead you are trying to complete some Yaks Bend area quests or missions then expect some newbies with sub-par builds on your team. You can also expect those sub-par builds to be adequate to finish most quests. You can suggest better skills but don't have a fit if your teammate isn't familiar with your acronyms or skills.