ok here is the thing i bought a new hp the other day
it alreayd came with the following
processer amd athlon 64 dual corex2 3800 2.0ghz
system bus is 2000mhz
Cache Memory 512KB + 512KB on die Level 2
System Memory (RAM) 1GB
Type of Memory (RAM) PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM
with windows vista prumium
my g card is
PNY Verto GeForce 7600 GS 512MB DDR2 PCI Express Graphics Card
so my question is as follows
can i get direct x 10 i have directx 9c running now
if so where can i get it also what would be my fps with 3mag interent
qustion for vista and things
therangereminem
cannonfodder
Direct X 10 is only available for Vista owners, as it comes installed with it, it will have no bearing on playing guildwars or any game at the moment for a few reasons...
1, Your Graphics card is not DX10 compatible, the only card(s) out there at the minute are the nvidia 8800 range of cards.
2, Guildwars is not coded for DX10, and there are no games currently available.
Perhaps you should read up on it first, it'll be a while before the first generation of games come out.
1, Your Graphics card is not DX10 compatible, the only card(s) out there at the minute are the nvidia 8800 range of cards.
2, Guildwars is not coded for DX10, and there are no games currently available.
Perhaps you should read up on it first, it'll be a while before the first generation of games come out.
Lonesamurai
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Direct X 10 is only available for Vista owners, as it comes installed with it, it will have no bearing on playing guildwars or any game at the moment for a few reasons...
1, Your Graphics card is not DX10 compatible, the only card(s) out there at the minute are the nvidia 8800 range of cards. |
However, thre are other things in DX10 that only the 880 and above use, but by no means does that stop cards that don't have them, the way the new DX10 API works is by seeing what you card can and cannot do and allows/doesn't allow options for graphics accordingly... However, nearly all Nvidia cards from the 6600 upwards are Vista Capable and DX10 Compatible, they just don't use some of the more advanced things that DX10 is also capable of
cannonfodder
Fair point, what I should have and meant to say was "The only DX10 card out at present is the 8800 range", and yes cards upwards of the 6600 range are compatible, but that does not mean you get all the advanced effects DX10 will have to offer. and that is what the OP was asking in my opinion.
therangereminem
ok when i installed guild wars it would not let me came upi with error saying that i have no direct x installed i have vista prumium and it does not come with directx10 i was told that by microsoft the directx10 is in the testing stage yet
Bowman Artemis
- Vista comes with DirectX9.0L, an updated, vista-only DirectX9.0c (which cards 6600+ ARE compatible with). An update will be available for vista owners through Windows Update to get DX10 when it is released (which cards 6600-7950 are NOT compatible with). Aero Glass is compatible with DirectX 9.0L.
- DirectX10 uses Shader Model 4.0, not 3.0. The only cards that support this shader model at the moment are nVidia's 8800 series of cards and the soon to be released r600 offerings from ATi.
- As yet, Guild Wars only uses DirectX 9.0c. It is debatable as to if Anet will update it to use DirectX 10 because there is no backwards compatibility between DirectX 10 and previous versions (8 and 9).
To answer the op's question, no you cannot use DirectX 10 with that video card. FPS is not dependent on your internet provider, it all depends on your computer's specifications. With that rig, you can expect to have between 80 and 120 FPS on max settings depending on resolution.
Lonesamurai
Actually Bowman, Alex weekes has said here on Guru that they will be moving to DX10 if it adds better graphical abilities
Oh and any card that has shader model 3 is DX10 compatible, it just doesn't use all of DX10's capabilities, however the 8800 cards (and 8600) do!
Oh and any card that has shader model 3 is DX10 compatible, it just doesn't use all of DX10's capabilities, however the 8800 cards (and 8600) do!
Bowman Artemis
Hmm, I wasn't aware of Alex's comment. Thanks for filling me in. Now. The problem with current cards (pre G80) is that their hardware doesn't physically support the API.
DirectX9.0L will be as far up as they can go. It is essentially a really scaled down DirectX 10, I think that's where you're getting confused. It has the major features of DX10, will run on all DX9 cards and will run DX10 games in a "compatibility mode" with worse quality and performance than if you were running "true" DX10.
DirectX9.0L will be as far up as they can go. It is essentially a really scaled down DirectX 10, I think that's where you're getting confused. It has the major features of DX10, will run on all DX9 cards and will run DX10 games in a "compatibility mode" with worse quality and performance than if you were running "true" DX10.
Lonesamurai
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Hmm, I wasn't aware of Alex's comment. Thanks for filling me in. Now. The problem with current cards (pre G80) is that their hardware doesn't physically support the API.
DirectX9.0L will be as far up as they can go. It is essentially a really scaled down DirectX 10, I think that's where you're getting confused. It has the major features of DX10, will run on all DX9 cards and will run DX10 games in a "compatibility mode" with worse quality and performance than if you were running "true" DX10. |
your right how it works, but your misunderstanding the compatibility
Bowman Artemis
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I'm not getting confused, i'm getting my information from the Microsoft website and from Nvidias
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First article.
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Originally Posted by nVidia White Paper on DirectX 10
DirectX 10 is the first complete redesign of DirectX since its birth. To carry on the tradition of serving as the premier DirectX platform, we designed a new GPU architecture from scratch specifically for DirectX 10. This new architecture, which we refer to as the GeForce 8800 series architecture, is the result of over three years of intensive research and development with intimate collaboration from Microsoft. The first product based on this new architecture is the GeForce 8800 GTX—the world’s first DirectX 10–compliant GPU.
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Microsoft’s release of DirectX 10 represents the most significant step forward in 3D graphics API since the birth of programmable shaders. Completely built from the ground up, DirectX 10 features a highly optimized runtime, powerful geometry shaders, texture arrays and numerous other features that unlock a whole new world of graphical effects. The GeForce 8800 GPUs are the world's first DirectX 10 compatible GPUs and this paper describes DirectX 10 features and how the Geforce 8800 architecture brings them to life.
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MegaMouse
The old DX debate again. As far as cards prior to the 8xxx series from Nvidea, nomne are compatible or tested with DX10. Some features may be able to run on them but in a software environment only. The hardware can not run it. To get teh most out of DX10 you will have to have a DX10 compliant card of which teh only ones offered at this moment are the 8xxx series of Nvidea. So far ATI is from what I understand and read, playing the waiting game to see if game manufacturers are going to jump on teh DX10 bandwagon. So for teh time beign I personaly see no reason to upgrade to a version of DX that may or may not work with the games that I play, also no hardware upgrades for me until I actualy upgrade to Vista (I am taking a wait and see what problems pop up attitude).
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Lonesamurai
Compatible with everything that DX10 can throw at them, however, Areo is DX9, hence you DO NOT need a DX10 card, also, as you pointed out, DX10 incorporates a DX9 API using Shader Model 3, so again, as long as your graphics card has shader model 3, it is DX10 compatible, however it can't use all of DX10's capabilities
Lonesamurai
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The old DX debate again. As far as cards prior to the 8xxx series from Nvidea, nomne are compatible or tested with DX10. Some features may be able to run on them but in a software environment only. The hardware can not run it. To get teh most out of DX10 you will have to have a DX10 compliant card of which teh only ones offered at this moment are the 8xxx series of Nvidea. So far ATI is from what I understand and read, playing the waiting game to see if game manufacturers are going to jump on teh DX10 bandwagon. So for teh time beign I personaly see no reason to upgrade to a version of DX that may or may not work with the games that I play, also no hardware upgrades for me until I actualy upgrade to Vista (I am taking a wait and see what problems pop up attitude).
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2, here, for your perusal, is a full list from Nvidias website of the GPU's that are Vista Compatable
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Bowman Artemis
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Compatible with everything that DX10 can throw at them, however, Areo is DX9, hence you DO NOT need a DX10 card, also, as you pointed out, DX10 incorporates a DX9 API using Shader Model 3, so again, as long as your graphics card has shader model 3, it is DX10 compatible, however it can't use all of DX10's capabilities
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The GeForce 8800 GPUs are the world's first DirectX 10 compatible GPUs and this paper describes DirectX 10 features and how the Geforce 8800 architecture brings them to life.
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Also, you beta testing vista since beta 1 has nothing to do with DX10, becuase through all the testing stages (and even currently) DX10 hasn't left Microsoft's labs.
cannonfodder
Ok stop arguing, or I will take away your toys...........
Bowman Artemis
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Ok stop arguing, or I will take away your toys...........
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Not my dragon mask and peppermint shield!!!
Lonesamurai
Gah, whatever, i showed evidence to back up my facts, you haven't, so I'm done with you!
cannonfodder
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Gah, whatever, i showed evidence to back up my facts, you haven't, so I'm done with you!
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Nvidia's 8800 range are the only cards that are true DX10 - FACT
Vista's Aero is compatible with all DX9 cards - FACT
To get any of the newer DX10 features you will need a DX10 card. - FACT
One small point too, answer me this, as we know DX10 is still in it's testing phase, however in the dxdiag tool it states I have DX10 installed, maybe I have, maybe not, but why will it not allow to install the latest DX update as it states I have a newer one installed?.
Now do not start all this "i'm a beta tester" rubbish, your "willy waving" holds no creditation with us, I could most probably out wave you, but I will not lower myself enough to boast about this and that. Fact is we all have something to offer here, and if im wrong i'll admit it.
Rant over
Bowman Artemis
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Gah, whatever, i showed evidence to back up my facts, you haven't, so I'm done with you!
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You showed Vista compatible GPUs, not DX10 compatible ones.
cannonfodder, just checked my dxdiag and it seems I have "DirectX 10" too. Odd. Quite frankly, I have no idea.
