Time for ANet to make what they promised?

thelegendozelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

OoT

W/Mo

I drove by Anet and got to the meet the team working on "all" the "major" updates and snapped a pic! the lady in the middle is the sole person for the auction house upgrade! She was nice......

bug_out

bug_out

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikkel
We pay retail price, same as any other game. The difference is that we pay retail price for a game that's not even close to being ready for retail on the promise of continuous updates and fixes that only occur to a limited extent.
Why is it I'm the only one that never runs into these game-breaking bugs at release that everyone seems to have a fit about... Oh, wait. I remember now. I lived through the 2001 release of Tribes 2... Now that was a game not ready for prime time.

Beat_Go_Stick

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

To OP: You are right when you say Nutella rocks!!

On another note, I would be happy if A.Net scapped every single other improvement that had going right now and created an auction house. Hell, 10 months ago I would have probably bought an expansion that was ONLY a valid trade system for $10-20.

At this time, I've given up on it. It's such an easy feature to program (no bullshit) and yet they've taken such a freakin' long time to NOT EVEN IMPLEMENT IT. If you can find me a single person who plays this game and wouldn't be happy to see an auction house or trade station, I'll give you a cookie. The fact that people have to (not choose to but HAVE TO) rosort to web sites like guru in order to buy/sell/trade their goods is a bran new testament to programmer laziness, as far as I'm concerned. It's pretty pathetic when you need to leave a game just to sell something you find in the game....

.....well, that or spam spam spam.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Name just two of these so called countless bugs that make this game "not ready for retail" please.
The Warrior Knight's armor was a "bug" that lasted a while.

And as much as I like the titles, I'd rather they work on something more important (Chap. 4, HA, "balancing") and release other features later (titles, etc. Although I'd like a Spearmarshall title soon...)

To, Mqstout: About the Elite missions, what do you mean? I was a little confused by your statement...Are you saying that ANet delivered the promise of open access to the Elite missions??

Titan Chrae

Titan Chrae

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Frozen Lake

Illustrious Chromatic Enigmas (ICE)

Mo/

After reading through this entire post, All I can say is just...

Wow!

CDittric77

CDittric77

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

A Famous Small Town in PA

Saints of Avalon

R/Mo

I'm still lost as to the concept that ANet owes its players anything at all? This whole argument is tied to the concept that promises made months ago (which might as well be an Ice Age ago when it comes to current trends in product design and implementation) are crucial priorities for today's players and for developers.

Why we think that should be the case is beyond me. They'll update what they can, what they feel is important, when they can. To suggest that the game's well being isn't a concern of the company's is hogwash; of course it's a concern if they want to stay in business!

In similar fashion to people who don't like like commercials, I say: If it bothers you, change the channel - don't sit on the couch complaining about it.

Shmanka

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by CDittric77
I'm still lost as to the concept that ANet owes its players anything at all?
They don't yet people don't like to be promised things then left in the dust. The reason we post here is cause we have no other way to actually contact them in a better method. It's just that simple.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shmanka
They don't yet people don't like to be promised things then left in the dust. The reason we post here is cause we have no other way to actually contact them in a better method. It's just that simple.
I have never seen them "promise" anything. You make it sound like it's an oral contract that they've breached. And sometimes things take longer than you think or sometimes things go wrong. Remember the morons screaming at ANET for being "lazy" and lying about reconnects? Sure it took a while but reconnects got implemented didnt they?

There's nothing wrong in asking for things or asking when certain features will be ready but don't act like you're entitled to something you've asked and make "promises" sound like they're written in blood in some contract.

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

You definitely don't speak for me. I'm so tired of reading this stupid, "OMG A-Net never gives me what I want!!!!11!"

Seriously, go to Sardelac and read the big huge list made of all our suggestions and look how many they implemented. I never thought they really implemented as many things as they really did until I looked there. Be patient, they said there is one coming.

vojnik

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie land

Australian Vengance Alliance

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

At this time, I've given up on it. It's such an easy feature to program (no bullshit) and yet they've taken such a freakin' long time to NOT EVEN IMPLEMENT IT.
Please don't breed. ever.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
The Warrior Knight's armor was a "bug" that lasted a while.
Knight's is also not a gamebreaking bug--not even close.

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick
If you can find me a single person who plays this game and wouldn't be happy to see an auction house or trade station, I'll give you a cookie.
I don't care about an auction house. I don't think it'll add much to the game except more people will sell stuff and get more money, and there'll be less spam in the chat in towns. Since I rarely sell anything except to the merchant, and i don't spend much time in main towns, I really don't care.

Can I have my cookie now?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikkel
Guild Wars doesn't have a recurring monthly payment, no. Does that mean that everything ArenaNet does to Guild Wars after release is to be considered philanthropic? That we're lucky that they deliver post-release content?

Hardly.

Why? Because Guild Wars, both the core and the episodic content releases are buggy to the point where releasing them without continuing subsequent updates and fixes should be a crime. There are critical bugs in Guild Wars that have been allowed to exist for almost two years without having been addressed. No matter what you do in Guild Wars, you're very likely to run into, at the very least, one bug while doing it. I have played a lot of games in my time, and I can count on one hand the games I've played that have had more technical glitches than Guild Wars.

If ArenaNet is going to excuse this abhorrent lack of quality control and bug fixing with that they're working on new content and new features, I'd say the players have every right to complain when these things aren't implemented.

I would by far prefer getting my content and features with the chapters, if it would mean that ArenaNet would spend their time fixing the countless bugs in their game inbetween releases. When that isn't an option, however, I feel that I have every right to be frustrated with them when what they promise in place of these fixes turns out to be vapourware.
I've never encountered any bug that's made this game unplayable, which would make it not ready for retail. Sure, I missed the release of Prophecies and Factions (Been playing 10 months, so would have missed Factions release by a couple of weeks), but I played Nightfall a lot when it was released, right from the first day, and I never encountered a bug that stopped me playing the game. So I too would like to know some of these bugs that apparently go unchecked for weeks after release. There are bound to be a couple, it's the same for every piece of software ever released. If you're a software designer, you'll know that it's impossible to iron out every single bug that may ever happen before you release it (I'm not a software designer, but I am studying to be. In fact, I had to make a game for uni, and it had some very very strange bugs on my friend's computer that didn't appear when I tested it on mine. And I did well in that subject, so I'm assuming those bugs didn't appear on the marker's comp either. The point is, that sometimes software behaves differently on different systems, and you can't possibly know that there's a bug till someone reports it after release).

So please, let us know some of these bugs that are so earthshattering. And I mean bugs that actually stop the game, not bugs like "The armour didn't look right!"