Good Assassin Build!?!?

Jin_Kazaa

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2007

White Lotus Alliance

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Hey guys im new here and just wanted to post an
Assassin builds that in my opinion is pretty good, so please leave your comment and suggest anything that might help thanks.

Profession: Assassin/Elementalist

Name: No Name

Type: CompetitivePvP/GeneralPvP

Category: Damage/Interrupt

Attributes:
Dagger Mastery:10+2+1
Critical Strike:10+2
Shadow Arts:5+3
Water Magic:10

Skills Set:
1)Shadow Refuge
2)Golden Phoenix Strike
3)Horns of The Ox
4)Falling Spider
5)Twisting Fang
6)Moebius Strike
7)Conjure Frost
8)Ressurect Signet

Equipment:
Icy Oni Daggers Of Fortitude
7-17(9 Dagger Mastery)
Damage +15%^While Enchanted
Customized

Armour:
-Bladed Mask:+1 Dagger Mastery
-Valkyrie Chest:+15 Health
-Sabateur Gloves:Armor +10 (vs. physical damage)
Armor +10 (vs. Slashing damage)
-Valkyrie Legs:+10 Health
-Sabateur Legs:Armor +10 (vs. physical damage)
Armor +10 (vs. Slashing damage)

Runes:
-Major Critical Strike
-Major Dagger Mastery
-Superior Shadow Arts

Weakness:
-Major Health Degen
-Interrupt
-Enchantment Removal
-Evasive Stance

Credit: I credit who ever came up with this build IMHO its the best.

Sorry if this has been posted already.

shaderaven

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

BRG

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Good for what? Sertanly not for PvP. It does't have neither a snare, nor a speedboost and the knockdown comes after the second non-IASed attack. If your conjure frost is dispelled you will be worse than 8 Beastmastery pet with no pet skills. Every time you cast shadow refuge you will be kited untill its over and then beaten senceless when you can't connect your golden phoenix strike. And seeing how it has 0 deffence skills...
Even if your golden phoenix DOES connect and you are not kitted every single deffence skill (that other people actually have in their builds) will ruin your chain (and you don't have any backup one)... blind, knockdown, blocking stance, simply running away.

For PvE monsters die pretty often so you wont always have the opportunity to refresh your attacks with Moebius, also you have no energy management so will run out of steam pretty fast after GPS>TF>MS>GPS>TF>MS while hopping to catch one of them away from the others and not running (as the casters that will actually stay away from the others will do). And if there is adequat enchantment removal with the monsters killer timing...you will have 0 skills you can use, unless someone is knockdowning for you or someone is dead so you can ress him. Oh, and as I mentioned you have 0 deffence skills so you will be eaten allive at fisrt opportunity.

Also 10 water magic only for conjure frost on assassin is more than a waste of attributes.

I'm not the best assassin there is, but if you at least give me some pointers for what you want to use your build - I'll do my best to help.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

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If you want a good constant enchantment on you, I advise Illusion of Weakness.

Chamber Asgardian

Chamber Asgardian

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Lions Arch, Kryta

Untainted Apocalypse

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Umm, what made you think this was the best assassin build, b/c it pretty much sucks. I don't see any reason to use conjure frost except for use with GPS, but even then why would u waste precious attribute pts on skill that has no use to an assassin watsoever. Conjures are only good for constant dps, and being that your an assassin you shouldn't be in there that long for it to be effective. You might as well just use AoD+GPS at least you have a teleport to get in and out. Our skills already give us +armor ignoring dmg and Conjure Frost helps very little, its just a waste of a slot. If you want to moebius something why wont you get a better skill bar like shock+falling spider+HoTo+Moebius+ TF at least you'll have constant kd's, or just use the BoA SP sin. You could use that yangansin too or watever its called, it has better defense than this, even though it's not to my liking, I still find it way better than this build. Again what made you thing a crappy build like this is the best?

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

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Lots of problems with that build

1.depending on shadow refuge to get golden off is a BAD idea. Use something that lasts.

2.Moebius strike is wasted here since by the time you finish that combo you will have lost all your energy. The point of moebius is to spam a combo, make it recharge something like Black lotus strike and put in a usefull hex to go with it. that way you wont be useless while your energy recharges.

3.No Speed buff / shadow step = your just waiting to get hammered and die by a ranger or ele, or kited by any monk that has half a brain.

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

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The only good conjure
Is conjure of Flame
And you use it with Locust fury

Chamber Asgardian

Chamber Asgardian

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Lions Arch, Kryta

Untainted Apocalypse

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Quote:
The only good conjure
Is conjure of Flame
And you use it with Locust fury That is definitely a ?!?wtf?!? statement. Last time I checked all conjures have the same amt of dmg bonus at the same lvl's the only difference is the type of elemental dmg done. What do you mean conjure of flame is the only good one? Do you even know what your talking about? Locust fury is crap btw, it's definitely a crappy skill, why the hell would an assassin just stay in combat and autoattack his freaking target. Do you want to die.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

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Originally Posted by Chamber Asgardian
That is definitely a ?!?wtf?!? statement. Last time I checked all conjures have the same amt of dmg bonus at the same lvl's the only difference is the type of elemental dmg done. What do you mean conjure of flame is the only good one? Do you even know what your talking about? Locust fury is crap btw, it's definitely a crappy skill, why the hell would an assassin just stay in combat and autoattack his freaking target. Do you want to die. Conjure Flame + Mark of Rodgort... I believe is what he meant.
Even then I suppose its kinda superfluous since the fire damage being done anyway is enough for the status effect.


As for Locust's Fury... I only found one possible use for it so far:

Zenmai => Locust's Fury
Me => Illusionary Weaponry + Arcane Mimicry.
[i.e. An Assassin doesn't need combos to do lots of unconditional damage.]

Sqube

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Behind you...

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Conjure Flame isn't the only good Conjure. Guild Wars is a team-based game, so use some team-based synergy.

Conjure Frost + Battery Necro + Spinal Shivers Necro means that the guy you're hitting will be able to do... nothing.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

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Lol I rage quit my guild yesturday beause of assassin skills ^^.

Shadow prison is alright for spiking but there really is better skills than that.

Exhaust assault is nice.

Death blossom is pretty good now the buff... Blades of steel really is not that good, if you think of how many skills are recharging (and sometimes not all will be recharging).

I like leaping mantis, jungle, ox, spider, frenzy, twisting fangs, skull crack, rush

The5thSeraph

The5thSeraph

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sqube
Conjure Flame isn't the only good Conjure. Guild Wars is a team-based game, so use some team-based synergy.

Conjure Frost + Battery Necro + Spinal Shivers Necro means that the guy you're hitting will be able to do... nothing. ... But it works without Conjure Frost... which if I rightly recall only makes any difference if you're already doing Cold Damage.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

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Wait wait wait, "Conjure Frost + Battery Necro + Spinal Shivers Necro means that the guy you're hitting will be able to do... nothing."

You are serious? You use, two or three players to disable one player? In the hope that there's no holy veil, or hex removal? Wowwwww : o. lol^^.

The5ThSeraph, why are you even debating that? It's retarded lol^^.

The5thSeraph

The5thSeraph

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
You are serious? You use, two or three players to disable one player? In the hope that there's no holy veil, or hex removal? Wowwwww : o. lol^^.

The5ThSeraph, why are you even debating that? It's retarded lol^^. Because I save such comments only for those who really deserve them... like people who end a sentence in "lol", screw up capitalisation and add superfluous characters all over the place.

Oh... and one word for you:

Glint.

Kiba of hidden leaf

Kiba of hidden leaf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Knights of the Ninth

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ummm, seraph, you mean capitalization?

im on your side though...

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

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Kiba, like you do, not using CaPiTaLs at all.

Kiba of hidden leaf

Kiba of hidden leaf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Knights of the Ninth

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ALL YOU DO IS MAKE FUN OF GRAMMAR WHEN YOU COULD BE HELPING.

Happy?

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

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Dont make fun of grammar if it isnt a huge problem....its just dumb.

Lord Nibiru

Lord Nibiru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Croatia

KoD

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Like many peoples says: people from UK and SAD are only good in english,in all other thing they are s***id.
I though they are wrong,but now I see it is very true for many players in Guild Wars and many people outside it.They just talk,talk,and talk,and make fun from other grammar,but they even don't know where is Croatia!! Ha!!

p.s. not many peoples from UK and SAD are s***id,but many are.I am sorry for some people that are really kind and smart enough not to make fun of some1 because his grammar.

Croatian,like Japan language are the hardest one,their grammar is hardest one,English is nothing,so don't think you are something special because you talk English since you are born!

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

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Croatian is just as hard as any other slavic language. I know where Croatia is. My English spelling is near-perfect. Your point?

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

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Point taken. What I mean was, debating about things when someone has mentioned using three characters to kill one character seems a bit silly to me. The bit about lol was just showing I find the humour in it.

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Because I save such comments only for those who really deserve them... like people who end a sentence in "lol", screw up capitalisation and add superfluous characters all over the place.

Oh... and one word for you:

Glint.
As we're onto grammar now. You should not start a sentence with because. The three dots after 'them' isn't needed. Followed by like is also bad grammar. The three dots after 'oh' isn't needed. Starting the next sentence with 'and' is also bad grammar. Having glint on a new line, new paragraph is also wrong.

''It's retarded L.O.L'' would of been alright English, you've got me though. I shouldn't of added these characters '^^'; however, putting more mistakes into your post in some atteempt to remain superior when I wasn't even flaming you looks kind of retarded to me.

For the ''capitalisation'' part as you call it ( ell oh ell ), you forgot to cap the L in ''like''.

Someone that states they can lock down a player with three other players is like someone that states the moon is made of cheese, there is no point in bothering to argue with it. It is silly and also funny; however, thanks for your attempt at trying to out smart me. You failed.

I'm quite sure I made many mistakes writing this post. Some being grammar, spelling etc. I really do not care. All I'm trying to point out is that you trying to win the argument by bringing grammar into it won't because a) your grammar is bad and b) you've gone completely off topic. Maybe you thought I was talking about grammar to begin with, who knows. For your benefit I've tried to explain things better too.

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Like many peoples says: people from UK and SAD are only good in english,in all other thing they are s***id. Well I speak five other languages. I guess it's nice of you to bring race into it. I know you are going to say UK isn't a race and think only colour is; however, you'd be wrong.

I'm quite confused now, maybe you guys thought I was bringing grammar into it... I wasn't. This is what I was thinking. Someone is using a whole army to kill one person.

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Croatian,like Japan language are the hardest one,their grammar is hardest one,English is nothing,so don't think you are something special because you talk English since you are born! You're wrong.

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but they even don't know where is Croatia!! Ha!! Point taken. Maybe that's because they don't do much in the world and have never done much in the world. I can't really say I know much about Croatia infact the most I know is that they probably arn't as well off as the people where I live. Doesn't change the fact using three players to kill one is retarded lol^^.

The5thSeraph

The5thSeraph

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiba of hidden leaf
ummm, seraph, you mean capitalization?

im on your side though...
No. I mean capitalisation.

You see... with many words... there are two ways of spelling said word:
The English way... and the wrong (american) way.
Using a "z" for "capitalisation" is the latter.

[Disclaimer: I have a very anti-american mentality, and I won't go into details as to why.]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Nibiru Like many peoples says: people from UK and SAD are only good in english,in all other thing they are s***id.
I though they are wrong,but now I see it is very true for many players in Guild Wars and many people outside it.They just talk,talk,and talk,and make fun from other grammar,but they even don't know where is Croatia!! Ha!!

p.s. not many peoples from UK and SAD are s***id,but many are.I am sorry for some people that are really kind and smart enough not to make fun of some1 because his grammar.

Croatian,like Japan language are the hardest one,their grammar is hardest one,English is nothing,so don't think you are something special because you talk English since you are born!
Funny. If you want difficult, try Icelandic.

And for the record, while perhaps some might appreciate your attempts at using our language, there is no excuse for making a half-arsed job of it. If you mess up our language, irrespective of where you come from, you are likely to be mocked for it.
Use Yanman as a rolemodel or something. He does well enough.


Quote: Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
As we're onto grammar now. You should not start a sentence with because. The three dots after 'them' isn't needed. Followed by like is also bad grammar. The three dots after 'oh' isn't needed. Starting the next sentence with 'and' is also bad grammar. Having glint on a new line, new paragraph is also wrong. I'll clarify something for you. I type about as fast as I speak, if I put my mind to it. As such, I also end up typing AS I speak. What comes from my mind, is put in through my fingers and ends up on the page is often rather different to what might be written in a novel or formal essay. Generally speaking I will tend to adhere to correct language structure, but there are a few conditions which fall under the category of minor exceptions. All of them involve my expressing through my text what I would actually be saying, were I telling you in person. Nuances of speech expressed in text form.
Because I will quite happily respond by starting with the word "because", I feel fully justified in typing such. As for the dots, those quite rightly represent pauses in my thought process, or written speech if you would prefer.
For what it is worth, even those such things you can find in published novels and the like, though they are typically quoted speech.
Given that it expresses more than adhering to perfection would, it is fully justified.

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''It's retarded L.O.L'' would of been alright English, you've got me though. I shouldn't of added these characters '^^'; however, putting more mistakes into your post in some atteempt to remain superior when I wasn't even flaming you looks kind of retarded to me. Its your choice what you personally find retarded. For me however, any expression of the "lol" phrase other than the words written out in full (and often even that) falls exclusively into that category.
And your emoticon seemed a bit bland besides. You didn't even include a mouth: ^_^

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Someone that states they can lock down a player with three other players is like someone that states the moon is made of cheese, there is no point in bothering to argue with it. It is silly and also funny; however, thanks for your attempt at trying to out smart me. You failed. Its silly, but not to the extent that you are trying to express. As I attempted to succinctly explain to you, certain PvE bosses definitely require such treatment.
And as for your closing statement, its amusing but false. The typical response of one defiant and blindly assured of their own ability. I did make my point, which you even acknowledged, and as such I succeeded completely.

Any further attempts to defy being outsmarted?

More to the point of the thread however, I'm of the opinion that all has been said about the builds mentioned above as needs to be.

Lord Nibiru

Lord Nibiru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Croatia

KoD

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I am sorry for my grammar,but for some1 who is learning english for 8 months I'm doing ok.My points was only that you don't laugh at some1 because his/her grammar

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

Mo/

Quote:
I'll clarify something for you. I type about as fast as I speak, if I put my mind to it. As such, I also end up typing AS I speak. What comes from my mind, is put in through my fingers and ends up on the page is often rather different to what might be written in a novel or formal essay. Generally speaking I will tend to adhere to correct language structure, but there are a few conditions which fall under the category of minor exceptions. All of them involve my expressing through my text what I would actually be saying, were I telling you in person. Nuances of speech expressed in text form.
Because I will quite happily respond by starting with the word "because", I feel fully justified in typing such. As for the dots, those quite rightly represent pauses in my thought process, or written speech if you would prefer.
For what it is worth, even those such things you can find in published novels and the like, though they are typically quoted speech.
Given that it expresses more than adhering to perfection would, it is fully justified.
I type probably twice as fast as I think; however, I sometimes type what I'm thinking rather than correct grammar. You have to understand though, just because you have explained your reasons for your bad English, it does not make it justified. It is like being punched on the arm and killing the person, my mentality is that I'd kill the person but does that make it justified? No. Yes I can empathise, but that doesn't mean what you have done is correct. Many books are written with bad English (especially American ones). Quoting a book is no use, or an author. The fact of the matter is, your English in this thread is absolutely awful. Mine may be too but I'm not the one trying to score points with grammar. My main point was that it's retarded to even debate about skills when someone is using 3 to 1 player ratio. Your English is terrible and I know you have this pseudo-intelligent approach, but that's just it, pseudo.

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For me however, any expression of the "lol" phrase other than the words written out in full (and often even that) falls exclusively into that category.
Lol is a well known acronym for laugh out loud (on the internet anyway); therefore, you finding that retarded is just plain silly. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lol

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Its your choice what you personally find retarded.
I go by logic for such things. Mentally retarded is not using one of the most well known acronyms on the internet to express ones emotion; however, using an unfair ammount of players vs one is something that a mentally slow person would do. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retarded . Once again it is not about choice, I do not make up my own language and try justify it. I'm just going by the English language here.

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As I attempted to succinctly explain to you, certain PvE bosses definitely require such treatment. This is not only completely FALSE but if you re-read what has been written, you will find the person talking about using three players to kill one said ''guy'' and not ''boss''; therefore, even if you were right (which you arn't) about boss's needing three players to kill, it doesn't matter as he was NOT talking about boss's anyway.

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As for the dots, those quite rightly represent pauses in my thought process, or written speech if you would prefer. This is bad grammar then. I will explain why, in the English language three dots are known as ''continued'' and NOT ''pauses'' in thought process. I understand what you're saying; however, why should I be held responsible just because you have your own little language going on?

To justify my reasons for English being my primary language and not Croatian, well besides Chinese it is the most spoken language.


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Any further attempts to defy being outsmarted? Can't win an argument with a person that has no logic and makes up his own language (you).

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The5thSeraph



As I attempted to succinctly explain to you, certain PvE bosses definitely require such treatment. 1 mesmer. 'Nuff said.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

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That's exactly what I thought Yanman.be. Nice to know someone is using his/her head, lol.

Powerblock is win too.

Turalisj

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

A/R

Hahahahhahahahhahah!!!!!
*starts rolling on the ground, laughing and pointing*
Sorry, had to get that out.... This build is a death trap. An enchantment corrupter can kill this in about 3 spells (corrupt enchant, shatter enchant, and any degen spell).

Trixz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/

Back to the topic:

No, this build sucks.

Lord Oranos

Lord Oranos

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fort Aspenwood

The build needs refining, but really, instead of just saying it sucks, try to add something positive, like maybe bringing minors because an assassin(even though he has 70 al) is pretty spikeable, outside of spamming FN(and it can still be done).

To be honest, I wouldnt bother with the Golden attacks as they are weaker than the hexed based ones... Its been awhile since Ive experimented with attacks, I remember a skill bar with something like

Shadow Walk, Siphon Speed, BSS, Shattering Assault, Impale....Or something like that, did some hefty damage.

Though Im sure the same effect can be achieved with death blossom, just without enchantment removal.