brains or brawn

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

Okay, they really need to fix this quest. I selected Norgu and got Goren. Same thing happened for all three of my friends who did it at the same time.

Then I looked it up on GWwiki. They have the wording all backwards as the one you select is the one you SEND AWAY. Now we have a pathetic useless second warrior because we didn't read the quest writer's mind that whichever one we picked would be the one we don't get. There was no indication in the text that whichever you chose would be forgotten about.

scrinner

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Read it. It says which one you want to SEND away. Your own fault. But dont worry, just finish the game.

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

Quote:
Originally Posted by scrinner
Read it. It says which one you want to SEND away. Your own fault. But dont worry, just finish the game.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Brains_or_Brawn I have a habit of reading it all. I mean, the game becomes nothing if you don't. Nowhere does it indicate the one you select is the one you'll send away. It says send to protect Istan. We all interpreted as, "this is the one we'll take with us to back to protect this guy in Istan." It literally reads, "Who should I send to Istan to protect my beloved, Midauha?" with a very strongly implied "send with you".

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

From the wiki

Followup

The Role of a Lifetime (Answer #1, Norgu will become your Hero)
Goren's Stuff: Part 1 (Answer #2, Goren will become your Hero)

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcy
From the wiki
Followup
The Role of a Lifetime (Answer #1, Norgu will become your Hero)
Goren's Stuff: Part 1 (Answer #2, Goren will become your Hero)
I only looked at the wiki to confirm the stupidity of the dialog choices afterwards. There are those who enjoy and play the game without referencing everything. But, apparently I'm going to have to change that habit, since I don't have psychic abilities.

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

E/

If you bothered to read the quest dialog, you'd find that he's trying to decide which of the two would make a good bodyguard for himself. He asks you which you would take as a bodyguard, then follows your suggestion, and takes the one you choose. It's not that hard to figure out if you read the quest instead of clicking blindly on a response.

Emik

Emik

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Belgium

[FaRM] Farm For The Win

N/

Once you finished the game you get all heroes anyways.
So all in all it's not really as if matters that much.
On another matter.
If you try to complete all missions before you finished the game and you took Master of Whispers, there is only 1 other way to get into Dasha Vestibule and it's by getting Goren as a Hero.
So in that pov it's even a better choice if you pick Goren over Norgu

Dzan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Black Dye Cartel

Because you're done playing after you beat Nightfall's single player campaign.

Kuldebar Valiturus

Kuldebar Valiturus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

Garden City, Idaho

The Order of Relumination (TOoR)

R/

I read the dialog and chose Goren by mistake. I interpreted the dialog to refer to a quest I was involved in, so I chose Norgu as my answer...I wanted a Mesmer Hero.

I read the dialog text, I am literate and the text needs to be changed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sykoone
If you bothered to read the quest dialog, you'd find that he's trying to decide which of the two would make a good bodyguard for himself. He asks you which you would take as a bodyguard, then follows your suggestion, and takes the one you choose. It's not that hard to figure out if you read the quest instead of clicking blindly on a response.
You need to work on your reading skills as well. it appears.

This isn't a click wildly and whine at the results post.

Intelligent people who read the quest text could come to the conclusion that the quest giver is going to send YOU and the Hero you choose on a quest.

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

I had no problems with that, reading the dialog made perfect sense that I was picking one for him to take as a bodyguard.

lg5000

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

I did that, but figured it was my own fault for mis-reading it. Next time, I was more careful about it

Smile Like Umean It

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus
Intelligent people who read the quest text could come to the conclusion that the quest giver is going to send YOU and the Hero you choose on a quest.
Yes, but if you read the possible answers you'd know exactly what it meant.

Quote:
Possible answers:

1."Goren's strength makes him the clear choice. Midauha can do the thinking for him."

OR

2."Norgu will be great entertainment for Midauha and has a knack for getting out of trouble."

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

Again, it very strongly implies that you'll also be going with the hero you select to protect Midauha.

Seef II

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

If you choose the wrong guy, just resign and abandon the quest. This can't be done, however, once you pick up the reward of course!

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

I just didn't get either because who needs a mesmer or a second warrior in PvE?

KANE OG

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

W/

Just read the thing..... Christ it's not that hard to read the dialogue in the game. There's a story there ya know?

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

R/

I also made this mistake, and yeah I was a bit cut for awhile, but I got over it. It was a stupid mistake, and definitely not Anet's fault. I never got the impression that I was going to be sent away to protect the guy's daughter. Why would you be going off to serve as a bodyguard to the guy's daughter when the world is being overrun by demons?

It's annoying that you now have two warrior heroes, I know I've been there too. But it's not the end of the world. Just finish the game and go and get Norgu then. You didn't choose a different path for the storyline or anything, Norgu and Goren are optional heroes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dzan
Because you're done playing after you beat Nightfall's single player campaign.
There's plenty to do after you're done playing Nightfall. Go do DoA, go unlock the heroes that you missed, go complete the quests you missed, if you're an Elonian go to Tyria or Cantha and play them.

Smile Like Umean It

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by mqstout
Again, it very strongly implies that you'll also be going with the hero you select to protect Midauha.
Then please explain to me why Midauha would need to do any thinking for Goren since he's, you know, your hero taking your orders.
Or why Norgu, again your hero, needs to entertain her.

And to point out the quest dialogue that you've already read.
Quote:
I'm thinking of hiring one of them as bodyguard, but I'm not all certain which one to choose. <name>, can you meet me in Resplendent Makuun and help me decide?"
Notice how he said you're helping him pick someone to hire, and not how they'll be your partner when you're both hired.

Also, why would you go back to Istan to protect one girl when the world is being taken over?

shanaya

shanaya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Scouts of Tyria

R/

Well I wanted a second warrior because I'm hopeless assigning mesmer skills....and I got Norgu!
So, add me to the list of players who misinterpreted the text.

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It
Also, why would you go back to Istan to protect one girl when the world is being taken over?
For the same reason you fetch leaves from the garden, tell the gardener to get back to work and the like.

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

I did the same thing as well as others who have stated so here. I guessed i made a mistake. It is no biggie-as mentioned you get them all in the end!

Kuldebar Valiturus

Kuldebar Valiturus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

Garden City, Idaho

The Order of Relumination (TOoR)

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It
Also, why would you go back to Istan to protect one girl when the world is being taken over?
Please, give up that tact, don't try to explain it away by using a supposedly rational basis for quests. Some of them are fairly questionable.

There are some awkwardly worded quests and there are also some quests that are ludicrous if you compare them to the end of the world scenario.

Why would you spend so much time looking for idiot warrior's armor and weapon when the world is ending?

I reasoned that the quest text meant I was going to go onto a another step in the quest that involved being a body guard. This wasn't too far fetched after the theater troupe scenario.

Hind sight being what it is now, but the text fooled me and other people, so there is some evidence of the confusing nature of the text.

No need to throw an attitude at people because they found something unclear.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Interesting that this is just now starting to surface, after Nightfall's been out for over 8 months.

Smile Like Umean It

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus
Please, give up that tact, don't try to explain it away by using a supposedly rational basis for quests. Some of them are fairly questionable.
There's no tact to give up since I wasn't trying to use any. If I had something to say, I'd say it exactly like I meant it.

Quote:
Why would you spend so much time looking for idiot warrior's armor and weapon when the world is ending?
I could be wrong, but last time I checked, you didn't need to pick Goren or Norgu to continue the storyline.

Quote:
Hind sight being what it is now, but the text fooled me and other people, so there is some evidence of the confusing nature of the text.

No need to throw an attitude at people because they found something unclear.
I'm not saying that it isn't a bit confusing for other people. I understood it that first time around, so I was wondering why so many people didn't. Once they answered, I'd either get where they're coming from or say why I didn't. Obviously I didn't, so I asked why you'd go back to Istan.
If I wanted to get an attitude I'd get one, no tact needed. I just honestly didn't understand why everyone else didn't get it. Guess my reasoning is different from others.

nbajammer

nbajammer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Iowa

Blade And Rose [BaR]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Interesting that this is just now starting to surface, after Nightfall's been out for over 8 months.
How'd you get Nightfall well before its Oct 2006 release? Nightfall's been out for about 4 months now, not 8.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

I confess I didnt read well the first time I did this quest as well...but the next time I did it I read the question and he does ask which one he should send away, NOT which one you want to have as your hero.....so if you say send goren away you dont get goren....likewise with nogru. Makes sense when you really think about it.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Ironically it takes Brains to choose the Mesmer Hero... and many seem to be lacking. I've always understood this to be choose who to send away and i've only done the quest once (its not worth the effort...).

Spellforge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless

N/

I didn't have any problems - made perfect sense to me. However if some people are finding it difficult I suggest setup a poll and see how many say - yes its misleading or no it makes sense

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Its slightly confusing at first. But if you see the missionreward window and see you are getting 'the wrong hero', just walk away and restart the quest from the beginning. its not that long a quest.