the ultimate beastmaster!

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

i've been using this in ra/ta/ab/pve for abuot a week now.. im reeeeeally starting to like it...

beast 15
exper 13

call of haste
pred bond
brutal strike
poison bite
scavengers strike
feral lunge
heal as one [e]
charm

you can swap what you want, its not meant to say fixed like that, sometimes i stance, blind, knockdown, all depends on what you're doing..


BUT BUT BUT

i want to know how you all feel about pets... i have a dire rat right now, and i saw him use that super rare "plague bite" that i heard about.. pretty cool.. but i think imho, anet should make charm, heal and revive too.. its such a waste to have 2 skills in keeping a pet, and also, they need more HP!!!! they only get 480, and 420 for a dire! i think pets should have a mini control panel, like a hero, and should attack a lil faster, like say 1.8 second attacks. i LOVE this build, you're safe, ranged, and able to fight with zero problems. i paired with another pet guy, and a monk from my guild, and made a crazy pet team, that we farmed the uw/fow with too.. its fun, but would be better if they'd stop making beastmastery so gay! tell me how you all feel !

tarbok1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

I like my ranger/beastmaster. I've been trying to do a paragon one but I find that Expertise just suites me better than Leadership, maybe it's possible but I like my expertise

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

might be useful to dump the weakest skill, scavengers strike, for a res/interupt

brutal strike . my dire pig nearly always hits for 100 damage with that (when there below 50%)

Wolydarg

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

I Excentrix I [PuNK]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
i have a dire rat right now, and i saw him use that super rare "plague bite" that i heard about.. pretty cool.. No you didn't.

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

Yeah people need to stop spreading that myth. Very much like the whole black widow poison thing.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

its been noted like a million times, people seeing it first hand, and i saw it too. now unless something crazy happend where they magically became poisoned, fine, but i didnt have a poison move, and none of my team did either, because i selected the team and moves. the guys was poisoned for around 10 seconds, and happend around a minute into my pet attacking. so idk, maybe it was a fluke, maybe not. its not like a skill came up and was like "PLAGUE BITE" , the guy just suddenly became poisoned... or diseased.. green effect, w/e.

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

And the proof of this is?
Until someone shows proof its not going to be believed. Right now anything like this goes up with all the other wild accusations that people seem to make up or get twisted from the truth somehow.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

well sorry that i didnt take a screenshot in the middle of a team arena battle during a 7-10 period of conditioned foe. geeze, you dont have to get so mad, i just said i thought it was cool.

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

errm im not sure where I got mad, I simply wanted you to stop making claims when there is no proof. Especially when similar claims have been disproven!
The reason these rumours get spread is people read that sort of comment on a forum. Now in a thread designed for the purpose of investigating such a rumour knock yourself out but try not to spread unproven claims around to much

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

you sound so irratated telling people what to do like you own the site. i can say whatever i want dealing with what i saw. just because theres no footage or ss's of it yet doesnt mean anything. it would be the same way with the beta gwen fire dance. if no one would have filmed that, who would have believed it? i saw it first hand and told my friends/guild, and no one said "prove it, prove it!" they just said "cool, wish i could see it". stop being so pesimistic just cause you don't have physical proof, geeze

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

If you wait in LA for 8 hours there is a small chance you get 1k.

Would you want proof of that or just believe it because someone on the forums said it? As for the gwen incident even without footage or a SS I would have. Why? Because of the ammount of people who would be able to say they saw it. Right now there are a few people who have apparantly seen this plague bite. Yes it might exist. But it might not, and right now since there is no proof of it or enough people who would claim they have seen it then it is unlikely many people are going to believe it.

Now I dont think im irratated, just because someone posts against something you have said doesnt instantly make them angry or annoyed etc about it. I just currently dont believe that specific feature is in the game and would like to have that noted in this thread because it has the fact that feature exists stated as fact with no evidence. I do agree you can say whatever you want thats the great thing about the internet. If you want to go on stating this then I cant (and even if I could I wouldnt) stop you. I can however ask that in the interest of not spreading rumours that you refrain from posting it as a fact.

When it comes down to it though, proof does mean a lot.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

if its that irratating to you, that i saw a totally random move occur, that really has nothing to do with the post other than that i thought it was "cool", stop posting. you dont HAVE to read my post, and then become annoying by telling me what and and want not to post because YOU dont like it. make your own post about how you've never seen it, dont believe it, whatever. my op's question was about beastial skills, not your contradictiory thoughts on something i saw one time. at least argue on topic

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

Honestly this idea im annoyed somehow is rather strange. Im simply allowing a second view on something you stated in your original post. If you dont want someonething talked about, dont mention it in your post.

Also if anyone is getting annoyed I must say it would appear to be you. Making a post about a game feature doesnt really work for getting me irrated or angry in anyway...

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

ok

anyone have anything to say dealing with the post

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

CA

Scythes of Chaos [SoC], [PNOY] alliance guild forums: http://socguild.cjb.net

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after months of clean threads finally there is a........FLAME WARS! Too bad it only consists of two people, flame wars are always fun to watch =]

To the post, Yes I think having two skill slots used up for a pet (comfort+charm or use up an elite for self heal and bring along Heal as One [E] for pet) strongly cripples the beast master. In PvE, you've got a rez, self heal, maybe some evasion since you're a ranger, and you only have 6 slots to fit beast master skills plus utility skills in. I like to run a beast master build for PvE (unless long range degen is needed like Kuunie in Unwaking Waters mish). Lots of fun, wolf is classic and cliche I have a hearty one with my ranger =]

daky

daky

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
i have a dire rat right now, and i saw him use that super rare "plague bite" that i heard about.. pretty cool..
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolydarg No you didn't. Quote: Originally Posted by Mekkakat
now unless something crazy happend where they magically became poisoned, fine, but i didnt have a poison move, and none of my team did either, because i selected the team and moves. Hmmmm okay you don't have a Poison causing attack....interesting you said here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
call of haste
pred bond
brutal strike
poison bite
scavengers strike
feral lunge
heal as one [e]
charm May I point out the fact that you carried POISONOUS bite.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

i have two posted builds on guru right now, and you're right, sorry, this is the other build. the one i was using the day i saw it is in another post in this same forum.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

What's the point of this thread? The build is nothin special....just a random pick of BM skills. Since you're obviously tryin to spread rumors, just wanna let you know that everyone knows it's not true. No screenshot = it never happened.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
its fun, but would be better if they'd stop making beastmastery so gay! Middleschool talk won't help people believe you either

EDIT: I somehow didn't notice he has poisonous bite.....lol >_<

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

what a flamer. ok kid, w/e. the reason for the post is to see how people are using beast mastery. its not "random skills" seeing as they synergize together, and i dont care about what you say as far as the poison/disease move i saw happen, i saw it, i dont care what you all say, shut up about it and stop being a little kid.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
i have a dire rat right now, and i saw him use that super rare "plague bite" that i heard about.. pretty cool.. [skill]Poisonous Bite[/skill]

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
and i dont care about what you say

i dont care what you all say

shut up about it and stop being a little kid. hmmm your the one droping down to those levels in a forum discussion.

With game mechanics people dont just accept "I saw it happen" on something that can change the game quite a bit people like to know for a fact if its true or not. This isnt a personal attack on you so please dont take it that way. The point of such a discussion is to try and get to the bottom of such rumours. When there have been other similar rumours that have been proven false you can understand why people now want proof before they accept something.


As for the build I have ran a beastmaster since I started playing. Thats an ok base to build individual builds from. You seem to be inbetween 2 builds (especially if you take it into pvp as you say you do). Pretty much everything works in pve so in that respect its fine. For pvp I would take a different elite such as enraged lunge, if im going for dmg. You can always try the caster hate route with pounce + mauling then poisonous and maiming to cover. Never found that build to be very successful but it will work in RA/AB.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

i have two post in this forum area (ranger/campfire), the other build is an enraged lunge build like you said for pvp. i've got my finger on Print Screen from now on cause a guy in one of the guilds in my alliance says he thinks he saw it too now during an RA match, some guys spider bit him and he was poisoned, and his damage counter didnt have any "poison move". im not "spreading rumors", all i said was i thought i saw it, i thought that was cool. you're all making such a huge deal out of something that isnt even the main post. yet agian, people make these forums a flame war because everyone here is all of a sudden a pro, and a critic. guru has been such a terrible place to post in the last few months its not even funny.

Isileth

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

This isnt a meant to be a flame and so I apologise if it appears that way. You made a statement in your original post that others disagree with. We have simply replied saying we have doubts with what your saying. No one here is trying to make posting here an ordeal or flame you, if you post something you have to be willing to accept that others may not agree with what you say and as such they can post stating that.

The problem is that a few people have apparantly seen it (quite a few of these are conveniently friends of others who have seen it) with no proof of it and its similar to other rumours that have been proven wrong before. If you get some proof of it im sure people will then believe you (after the whole is it a fake threads of course!) but until then you will have a hard time winning people over.

Again this isnt anything personal or a reply in anger etc. The whole point of starting a thread is that others can reply with their views. It was you who included that statement in your original post, if you dont want things like that discussed its best not to include them.

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

It's good to find someone new become enthousiastic abot pets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
i saw it too. now unless something crazy happend where they magically became poisoned, fine, but i didnt have a poison move There are skills that poison self and there are skills that transfer conditions and then there the delay in execution of petskills. You saw a foe becoming poisoned, nothing more, and untill we see that skill pop up in the skill monitor there is no certainty that it was somthing the pet did by itself.

A single skill to bring the pet, heal it and resurrect it would be a bit on the uber-powerfull side. You pay for the extra weapon with using two skill-slots. Petskills cost little energy, have good damage/effect and low recharge times. The biggest downside to pets is the lack of control, and that might change.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

im thinking something like say

"Beastmaster"
energy cost 10
cast time 2
recharge 10

Heal your animal compainion for 10..72 health, and revive fallen companions with (fixed at) 25% health. Having this skill on your skill bar will allow you to have your pet with you at all times.

meaning, its just comfort animal a tad bit weaker, and while after using charm animal for the first time, this will hold the pet in your skill slot. idk, doesn't seem that overpowered seeing as you still need a good self heal, attacks, and probably buffs/stances.

also, great find, i was trying to see if there was any new developments earlier, so thank you for that post.

and finally, to put it to rest, yes, i was annoyed with yet another person telling me what and not what to post yet again on guru, but only because it seems like every post someone makes, someone acts as though they know better, and whether or not they do, they say it in a very rude mannor. maybe i was over-defensive, and for that i'm sorry. again, i saw the guy's bar turn green out of no where. we had a zb monk, me (with my enraged lunge build, not my poison set), a spirit rit, and an axe tank. the other team didnt have rangers, had a necro, monk, dragon slash tank, and a dervish. now unless one of them had a poison move, or the necro had self poison/disease moves like flesh, no one in this 4v4 had any way of even having a poison move, which is what led me to believe that that was what it could be. all i said in the op was that i thought it was cool, and i would think it'd be nice if all pets could have special abilities, which is what this op was about, what type of special abilities should pets have. one skill for keep up/rez/heal? a mini skill bar just for them? a control bar for them? that sort of thing. so again, no hard feelings, its been a hard week for me ;p

edit:meant to say enraged lunge lol

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

I would be a lot happier if we just had a way to have our pets retreat on command (for instance under the charm skill). Controls like those of heroes would be fantastic, even if it were just the different modes (fight, guard, avoid).

But it must not become overpowered, and stay workable from the user-interface and that might become more difficult when heroes have pets.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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I think Penguin-Boy and Mr. Blue Avatar just need to agree to disagree.

As for the Charm Animal thing...I would like to see an elite version of this. Perhaps something like "Beastmaster's Bond" - "Charm target animal. If you have a pet, your pet is healed for 50...150 health and loses one condition and one hex. If your pet is dead and in range it is resurrected with 10...60% health" - 15 energy, 1 second cast, 5 second recharge. That would be pretty sweet...being able to amalgamate Charm and Comfort animal into one elite skill.

That's what my ranger is hoping for in Chapter 4.

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
its been noted like a million times, people seeing it first hand, and i saw it too. now unless something crazy happend where they magically became poisoned, fine, but i didnt have a poison move, and none of my team did either, because i selected the team and moves. the guys was poisoned for around 10 seconds, and happend around a minute into my pet attacking. so idk, maybe it was a fluke, maybe not. its not like a skill came up and was like "PLAGUE BITE" , the guy just suddenly became poisoned... or diseased.. green effect, w/e. [skill]Chilblains[/skill]

not to mention all the skills that cause disease, which can be spread between anybody. this same kind of discussion came up about the black widow, with several ppl claiming they say them poison an enemy. proven untrue then, and until we see something to prove otherwise, no one is going to believe this either. its not a personal attack on you, just the desire of the community to make sure that potential misinformation isnt spread. the reason rumors spread (spider causing poison, blessings affecting drops, FoW key-less chests dropping gold crystallines, and countless others) is cause they hear it in game or read it here.

as for the build, basic BM build, but it works. just never liked the BM builds because you dont have full control over your pet. you are forced to deal with their delayed reactions and inability to quickly change targets. if they change the pet mechanics then the BM builds gets much better.

Dodo The Extinct

Dodo The Extinct

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Me/Rt

A-net said something about making Pet Controls on the last Dev Update.

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

The arguement that a pet has the ability to inflict poison randomly in incredibly rare instances is like saying that a sword attack will cause deep wound every once in a trillion attacks. Theoretically it's technically possible since no one truly knows the game mechanics save the designers who actually constructed it, but considering how rare the occurence, how unreliable the evidence, and how unlikely that this actually is, there's not much point in making this argument unless you have rock hard evidence.

Quite frankly, it's a hell of a lot more likely that there was a flaw in perception than this actually being true.

Personally, I think this rumor was started from a combination of flawed perception and wishful thinking, but if I ever get poisoned by a rat, I'll be sure to let you know.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

i love the idea for that elite Celestial. that's really all i'd want for my bm sets. one reason why i love bm now, is because when i dont feel like thumping, or intterupting for my guild/ha, i can stand on a cliff in the etnarian keys, shoot a guy with and arrow, and watch my pet run around killing people in ab while im so far from danger. last night i tested attacking someone from a hill, then hiding to see how long the pet would fight him.. he stayed till the guy died (enraged lunge build) and came back after, never touched except once by an AoE attack. if there was some sort of "come back" or "sickem" control bar, that would create a whole new world for this underused attrib line lol. ot's cry is kinda lame, especially in ab where thumpers pets go crazy and people start to freak out hahaha.


edit: i keep saying "feral lunge build", its an "enraged lunge build"... sorry, i JUST started using bm. i used to thump for my ha/gvg team, back then i only had like 4 bm skills lol

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

also, im getting a lot of people saying this build is just "ok" or a "general" bm build. i understand that, but please post a build too, so i can see what i can fix or make better. i use this build, and i have another post in this forum area witha enraged lunge build


call of haste
pred bond
brutal strike
pred's pounce
feral lunge (sub rez)
enraged lunge
comfort
charm

15 beast
13 exper

so if you guys play bm for fun, drop a build or two.

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

When I was in the middle of a battle, my pet bear stood up and said, "Only you can prevent forest fires!" I was so stunned I forgot to screenie it.

I like running enraged lunge on my pet as the elite. Not a fan of Heal as One in pve as healers will take care of your pet and they get no dp anyway.

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

..pets do get dp bro

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

geeze dude, you're pretty rude, and sorry? i didnt see that you said pve, just like you obviously didnt see the previous post talking about how i was probably wrong about the plague bite. i know that pets dont get dp in pve yet, just a mistake in reading your post. try not being such a jerk when you post, no one likes a sarcastic know it all.

lennymon

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekkakat
geeze dude, you're pretty rude, and sorry? i didnt see that you said pve, just like you obviously didnt see the previous post talking about how i was probably wrong about the plague bite. i know that pets dont get dp in pve yet, just a mistake in reading your post. try not being such a jerk when you post, no one likes a sarcastic know it all. Since this IS the PVE ranger forum, its safe to assume everyone is talking about PVE even IF they claim to be talking about pvp. Oh, and DUDE! chill out on telling everyone else to quit attacking you it's like telling your big brother when you are 5 to quit hitting you... (besides you are clearly taking the information others are correcting your not 100% correct statements with as an attack, which it isnt...its just a correction). The whole advantage of guru over 'those other guys' is that there is a desire as a community to spread less misinformation/rumor and try to keep to the facts.

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

I like to have some bow added into my beastmasters, and even without many attacks, it's still damage and utility. With (major) runes three attrib lines can be brought up to
Expertise 13 (but 9 would suffice often)
Beastmastery 13
Marksmanship 12
Skills for general PvE are along the lines of:
Charm and Comfort
Call of Protection and Call of Haste/Predatory Bond/Symbiotic Bond
Enraged Lunge and Predators Pounce
Read the Wind and Distracting Shot.

I am currently training pets for my ranger and monk heroes, I though it would be fun to have a small big party. With multiple pets, only one player/hero needs to bring Revive alongside Charm as the monk heroes are more then adequate at healing the pets.