Pets and DP

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

14 Feb 2007 at 22:23 - 1

Pet controls are coming. Good news

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10118574

However, that also means the return of pet DP in PvE. It was in pve for a short time before it got removed, but Gaile was pretty clear in stating that pet DP would likely be brought back along with the introduction of pet controls (would post link if search function on here was better).

If pets get DP in PvE, imo dire pets become less attractive than hearty pets.

DP'ed out pets in B/P groups don't look so hot either. Sure they weren't meant to stay up forever, but they provided atleast some tanking while keeping aggro off the backlines. Otyugh's cry now seems like a must have for B/P groups.

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

14 Feb 2007 at 22:37 - 2

Assuming that you're WAG or wild a$zed guess about pet DP is correct, call of protection is still 200 times better than Otyugh's cry, and in fact OC is utter tripe. So the 'seems like a must for BP' since they are only there to DIE for minion fodder is kinda wrong (think kinda pregnant).

chichory

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/W

14 Feb 2007 at 23:07 - 3

Only one Otyugh's cry needs to be taken in one utillity slot as appose to everyone each taking their own copy of CoP.
And as i understand it (not a fan of B/P) not much extra slots are available as lots of utillity skills are needed. Also pets in B/P are there as a tempary wall, which gives abit more time before monsters break the lines (adding to minions of course)

I actually welcome pet DP as it will mean having to take that much extra care, my pet rarely dies anyway.

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

15 Feb 2007 at 01:42 - 4

bp groups will be easy to adapt by having one ranger bring CoP (I believe that one CoP affects all pets in the group if I'm not mistaken) and/or Otygh's Cry so that pets will be a bit more stout.

I do however worry about the average beastmaster since it's hard enough to fit a decent defense for your self and your pet in addition to enough attack skills to make the build effective. Adding dp to pets will make it harder for beastmasters to be able to squeeze in the additional needed defense needed to counter this. However, I guess time will tell whether this will be an issue or not, assuming of course that pet dp in PvE does even come into play.

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

15 Feb 2007 at 02:29 - 5

Well lets not forget one of the other important roles of the pet in a b/p group.

Minion food.

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

15 Feb 2007 at 07:31 - 6

Corpses enough for minions and even without pet DP a pet death is annoying enough. Pet DP isn't the end, but I'd hope with DP pets will also gain the benefits from morale boosts and that their DP is reduced with experience as it is with players and heroes.

But, were in that thread did you see that DP thing Joe?

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Originally Posted by lennymon

... and in fact OC is utter tripe. How is +20 AL utter tripe? With 20AL extra damage is reduced to 70%, it may not be the 20 DR from CoP, but it's still a fairly decent skill.

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

15 Feb 2007 at 07:48 - 7

I never saw the point in using skills to boost your pet's survivability when you can just res 'em a few seconds later. Adding in dp will mean you can't just recklessly toss your pet into a huge mob anymore. Those pet-protection skills will be more useful. A possible problem might be pulling a pet out of a mob when it's about to die, but that's probably where the new pet controls will come in.

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

15 Feb 2007 at 07:59 - 8

Your efforts would be one of the reasons they'd even think about pet dp, a rez means a 240HP heal out of comfort animal. If that is indeed ANet purpose they'd do better changing comfort to require more energy if used on a dead pet.

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

15 Feb 2007 at 16:30 - 9

Quote:

I do however worry about the average beastmaster since it's hard enough to fit a decent defense for your self and your pet in addition to enough attack skills to make the build effective. Adding dp to pets will make it harder for beastmasters to be able to squeeze in the additional needed defense needed to counter this. However, I guess time will tell whether this will be an issue or not, assuming of course that pet dp in PvE does even come into play. Only bring defense for yourself, and comfort animal.

Practice using comfort animal right before your pet dies. If you cast CA at the second before you see your pets name go from white to gray, Your pet will be instantly ressurected, and you wont have any downtime.

LoL glitch.

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

15 Feb 2007 at 18:06 - 10

That wouldn't work to prevent the DP. About time you learned to take care of your pet. Bringeing pet defense is not so bad, CoP will take away a lot of the pain, save your healers a lot of energy and it can be one of the skills that drive

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

... (I believe that one CoP affects all pets in the group if I'm not mistaken) ...

I found some information on the GWiki discussion page for CoP:
"A Paragon/Ranger accompanied by other beastmasters with pets will only gain 1 energy when using this shout. This suggests that only one pet (yours) is affected, unless the energy return mechanism on Leadership is bugged in the case of pet shouts." (from Semantic)