My question about Abaddon and Water Magic

The lore says that Abaddon was one the god of water and secrets. When he was struck down and imprisoned in the Realm Of Torment, he most likely did not keep his domain over water, or he would be pwning us every time we get on a boat to Cantha and back. The Elementalists of Guild Wars use the 4 generic elements: Fire, Earth, Air, and Water. Respectively, Balthazar has dominion over fire, Melandru has dominion over rock and earth, Dwayna has dominion over air, and Abaddon has dominion over *record rip* hey wait a minute, he's been imprisoned. Of course, water elementalists have Grenth as their patron god, but he is the god of ICE. Which apparently is a different element (even though it's the same thing), or there would be no need for a god of ICE and WATER. My thought is that when Abaddon got owned by the 5 gods, his dominion over water was granted to Grenth (kindof a fuzzy concept). So my question is, why do WATER elementalists pay homage to Grenth and not Abaddon? Is it because the gods tried to delete all memory of Abaddon, so Grenth tries to say that HE is the god of water?

Edit: Sorry double post.

There are no "water" elementalist skills as far as I know. Most of the skills in that branch are ice related. In all seriousness it makes more sense to call it "Ice Magic" than "Water Magic". Icy prison, ice spear, frozen burst, ice spikes, mind freeze, etc. are all ice related.

So perhaps the water element doesn't exist anymore?

I agree with you, but they still call it water magic for some reason. Perhaps this has nothing to do with the lore and Anet just screwed up ._.

I wanna use water skills^^!
But ain't "Maelstorm" water?

Water trident ^_^.
Water Attunement :P.

I think it's more of Anet screwed up thing....there are only 4 elements not 5 -_- you babo,

Air,Earth,Fire and Water.

Last time I checked, Ice and water are the same thing(Ice is merely the solid form of water) So it should be called water magic. In any game I've seen there it involves the 4 "Elements" (Fire, Air, earth and water) anything which involves Ice goes under water magic (It's just a fantasy game tradition), having 5 elements rather than 4 would go against the myth.

I'm just going to go with that the other gods took Abbadons power over water away from him and gave it to Grenth, Grenth calls it Ice instead of water as it sounds colder (suiting Grenth's style)

Do you think that after Abaddon's defeat by the 5 gods, the sea in the crystal desert started to dry up?

The God's attempted to erase knowledge of Abaddon after his imprisonment.

Maybe Grenth was just God of Death and Abbadon was God of Water and Secrets, and when he tried to overthrow the Gods and lost, Grenth took control of his power?

grenth took dhuum's power and kormir took abaddon's power

Dhuum was God of Death and Abaddon God of Secrets and Knowledge. If Dhuum was around when the gods sealed Abaddon away then its possible Grenth came along taking Dhuums title and adding his own on - ice thus making Grenth God of Death and Ice. I would think the term Ice would be better for a God of Death more than Water - Icy grip of Death.

in another thread in this forum we have disqused that dhuum may was still a god when the gods selaed abaddon away and then grenth who was not a god till then overthrew dhuum and took his power

Are you attempting to say here Feme that it was Dhuum, Melandru, Lyssa, Balthazar and Dwayna who over through Abbadon? If that's the case, a treaty with Abbadon during Nightfall would seem weird.

But, it would attempt to help explain (if the other four gods where tired of Dhuum and his evil ways with Death) what they did. Over throwing Abbadon, giving a man name Grenth the power of Water (later Ice), and giving him the ability to take on Dhuum and thus taking over Death.

The only problem here is thought that as far as I know, Abbadon still retained Secrets. If he retained secrets, why was Water freed and not Secrets? Or, was it that he knew all Secrets but didn't hold the portfolio of it untill he was destroyed? These are questions we need answers to because there was also another god before Abbadon as he over threw this god of Secrets.

So we have the following..

Un-Named God of Secrets (and Water?) > Abbadon, God of Secrets and Water

Abbadon, God of Secrets and Water
:Kormir, Goddess of Secrets
:Grenth, God of Water (and Death)

I don't know, it's all to jumbled up. This is why I would love to see ANET "hire out" really good people to flesh out and explain the history of Tyria better. By hire out, I mean In-Game gold. Not real money.

OK i will try to explain how i think things happened


As we know all gods even abaddon took thei power from older beings that used to rule the world.

My theory is that in the old days they were 6 gods Balthazar Abaddon Dwayna Melandru Lyssa Dhuum

When Abaddon gave ppl too much power the other gods sealed him away as we know then someone had to take over Abaddons power and position here is where Grenth comes.

Grenth a migthy king or a fighter who knows ascended himself and entered the rift and spoke to the gods about taking Abaddons place after some "tests" he took his place as good of water and ice

Dhuum was still god (he may was an evil god but he was too powerfull) of death but Grenth wanted his power and he found a weak spot in Dhuum and overthrew him and took his power with the help of the other gods of course

And nowdays Kormir took the power of secrets from Abaddon after he got "destroyed"(you cant destroy a god)



As for hiring ppl anet leaves this tiny little things intetionally so we have something to discuss in the forums they already know how all this will end
they dont think of a new story for every chapter

Actually i have just noticed something. As you see Abaddon was the God of Secrets/Knowledge and Water. When Kormir takes this power from him she does not become Kormir,Goddess of Secrets/Knowledge - she becomes Kormir the Goddess of Truth. Also what Neriandal pointed out:


Also makes me question the possibilty of Dhuum being around at that time. Abaddon forgiving Dhuum would seem very unlikely.The only thing i can think about to coutner this is that Abaddo nand Dhuum thought along the same lines - Dhuums description by one of the reapers is "Before the time of Grenth, when death was ruled by a cruel and unjust god". Sounds to me liek Dhuum was a much more fiercesome god than Grenth and would fit right in with Abaddon.

I would also like to add something about the theory of Dhuum being god at the time of Abaddon. The Temple of the Six Gods was around before Abaddons defeat and was dragged down with him. One of the six statues in the temple is Grenth - not Dhuum but Grenth. I beleive it could be that Grenth may of wanted further punishment of Abaddon but was overuled - causing the gods mistake.


We cant say anything about Grenth like what he was,where he came from or what his motives were to become the God Of Death. He is certainly not human seeing as his head represents that of a goat skull....he could of been some kind of Reaper. How he beat Dhuum is far beyond us - we are only given an idea of what happend through Kormirs last move. We do know that Grenth took Ice for his own and even reigned from the Icy Wastes.