Why do i share my gold with heros.. ANET get it sorted !

jiggerjay

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

England

Curse of the grail [Cotg]

W/

so we have to customise their armour and weapons.

why do we have to share our gold with them ? i can understand it with henchies but not with heros.

its a bit unfair tbh! who wants this changed ?

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

You share all drops/money with anything you party with. End of story, it's staying that way.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

You aren't forced to customize anything. It's entirely possible to complete the campaign with the standard equipment. Not the optimal choice, but it is a possibility.

Besides, if ArenaNet killed the drop sharing with Heroes, there would be a lot more 4-man Heroway farming groups out there, including a 55-based group that could rape the entire Underworld and FoW without taking breaks.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

i agree, sharing with heroes can suck and all.... but big picture is the facts he said, i would rather share then deal with the mass amounts of farmers there would be

/not signed

unless it is controled, they take away from actual drops, but not actual cash that falls... or let heros have armor and weapons based on ur unlocked things for pvp as their skills r based.

Markaedw

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

they can have their share of the loot, just let me customise the armor baseed on pvp unlocks

Skye Marin

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

Before Heros, there were Henchmen and nobody made a peep about them getting their fair share of the loot.

With Heros, now you can customize and tailor them to whatever situation you're going to encounter. Max or near-max damage weapons are easy enough to come by in the normal course of playing, and runes/inscriptions are an option that Normal Henchmen have never opted to have.

If you're concered about the upkeep of Heros, just ask yourself. Is it really worth 500g for my paragon to have +10 armor to his chest? How about another 1k his legs and hands? If you don't think it's worth it, then don't buy it. Simple.

No matter how you slice it, Heros are better than Henches.

gameshoes3003

gameshoes3003

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Heroes and Henchies are suppose to be like "live" players, so that's why the gold is split.
It's like splitting stuff with other players.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

/notsigned

It would be too easy to farm if you could take your heroes and still get all the loot

The5thSeraph

The5thSeraph

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Not in the slightest....

As members of the party they're entitled to their share of the loot.
I do rather wish they wouldn't necessitate my buying stuff for them from MY share... v_v; ... If each hero had a collection of aquired funds that could be used exclusively to upgrade their armour or whatnot... it'd be far better (though it couldn't account for specialist weapons and the like, so a line would have to be drawn somewhere)...
On the whole though it doesn't make too much difference in the end. I just play for longer to get more loot to deck them out better.

rohara

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

it is a bit irritating, seeing as they take a cut of the loot/gold but cba to buy themselves runes/insignias/weapons but changing it would be disastrous.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faer

Besides, if ArenaNet killed the drop sharing with Heroes, there would be a lot more 4-man Heroway farming groups out there, including a 55-based group that could rape the entire Underworld and FoW without taking breaks.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, heroes absolutely stink the place up when it comes to maintained enchantments.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, heroes absolutely stink the place up when it comes to maintained enchantments.
Hold shift, click on the maintained enchantment. Now it is disabled. Select yourself, click on the enchantment on their bar, watch as they keep the enchantment on you.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, heroes absolutely stink the place up when it comes to maintained enchantments.
I'm going to have to tell you that my Heroes happen to use them just as well as I would. Don't know from experience what everyone else complains about, because I have never had a problem with my Heroes and maintained enchantments.

Enter Zone, Koss uses Mending on himself and keeps it there. Tahlkora uses Blessed Aura, Dunkoro uses Vital Blessing. I've tried every hero with every maintained enchantment I can think of, and if it was something useful for them to actually maintain, they maintained it.

Of course, if you don't have Heroes with half a brain, like I do, just use CY's suggestion.

Frazzy

Frazzy

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2006

Canada

Unavailable

Mo/Me

Dude heroes are better than 3/4 of the humans out there if you know how to play so why should you get more of an advantage if you use them. I'd just 4-Man UW all day long running 55 Tank.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

you people saying "they should get their share" dont understand the mechanics of heros. YOU have to buy everything for them. they dont use their money.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
you people saying "they should get their share" dont understand the mechanics of heros. YOU have to buy everything for them. they dont use their money.
i can equip them better then hencie for 2k.

Vlatro

Vlatro

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

NY

The Nefarious Coterie

E/A

Hell no.

A prime example of greed and ignorance leading to stupidity. If we had to share with other players in a party but not heroes, then you are creating greater incentive for people to ignore party requests. People will start asking themselves, "Why take that guy, my hero will get me better drops". This can become very frustrating in areas like DoA, FoW, and UW, as people already tend to have certain preferences on who they bring and are there primarily for the better item and gold drops. More over this discrimination would have only a negative effect on those who don't own Nightfall, as they would be invited to fewer groups, and be unable to capitalize on the change themselves, having no access to heroes. Everyone complains about Anet prioritizing one campaign over the others, yet your willing to screw approximately 2 million players who all paid good money for their campaigns, all so you can get bigger gold drops.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

You shouldn't have to share anything, gold or drops, with Heroes or henchmen. This has always made the game a lot less fun.

Besides that they don't even ever pickup gold, so why should they be able to share it when they never contribute to picking it up?

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Extremely /notsigned

Much as I'm a continual advocate of the fact that people shouldn't be punished for not wanting to play with humans, neither should people be punished for doing so. Drop rate should be the same for you whether you're in a party of 8 real people or a party of heroes and henchies, lest the whole game (and the economy with it) go straight to hell.

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

R/

Simple solution to this problem: don't buy them weapons. Give them a weapon drop that you would have sold to the merchant for 50g if you have to. Or give them some of the bonus items if you have access to them. Anyway, you're forgetting one very very good bonus you get for leveling up heroes: hero skill points. The skills you buy with hero skill points get added to your skill list as well. To me, the benefits of the heroes far outweighs the small portion of gold that they get a share in.

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

heroes deserve thier share of the loot!

/notsigned to not sharing with heroes and hench

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

You can understand why we share gold with Henches, but you cant understand why we share it with Heroes?

I think you lost yourself in your logic somewhere. The two are exactly the same thing in principle.

We share loot and gold with the AI so that people cant go AI farming and collect vast amount of gold or increase rare drop rates. It doesnt matter whether that AI is henches or Heroes.

Understand?

Compare the two...

1) Solo farming where you get 100% of the drops yourself, but its alot harder without support.
2) AI team farming where you get 100% of the drops yourself and its alot easier because the AI support you.

Which one is going to be alot easier? Obviously everyone in the game will use option 2, but the result would be a vast increase in gold and even more unbalanced market.

Not to mention (if they did this), the unfairness to those without Heroes who dont own NF. NF would become the farming game of all 3 campaigns.

Its also a way to maintain the realism of the game and to balance out the use of AI over real humans. We have to share loot when in human parties, so obviously we should share loot in AI parties. Otherwise everyone would use AI and no one would PUG.

As for your agruement about having to modify your Heroes and it costing you gold, so we should be compensated. You dont have to mod them, and finding them max equipment isnt hard. Just use drops. Their armor increased automatically too.

Sorry but its just a very bad idea and youre obviously more bothered about making gold then actually playing the game.

/notsigned a million times over

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
you people saying "they should get their share" dont understand the mechanics of heros. YOU have to buy everything for them. they dont use their money.
Drops, drops, drops, drops, drops, drops, drops, drops, drops, drops.... etc etc etc etc etc

You are not forced at all, to buy your heroes anything!!

As mentioned, their armor automatically increased.
You can use dropped weapons or secondarys (rare and greens too).
You can use dropped or salvaged runes.

If you choose to buy them stupidly expensive, highly modded, rare weapons and runes that is your choice. But you dont need to do that for them to be effective.

Players who do that, are more bothered about making them look cool then effective.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Meat Axe
Simple solution to this problem: don't buy them weapons. Give them a weapon drop that you would have sold to the merchant for 50g if you have to. Or give them some of the bonus items if you have access to them. Anyway, you're forgetting one very very good bonus you get for leveling up heroes: hero skill points. The skills you buy with hero skill points get added to your skill list as well. To me, the benefits of the heroes far outweighs the small portion of gold that they get a share in.
Nope! You win hero skill points by increasing levels in Lightbringger and Sunspear Titles. And that is the only actual way available.

Well. They are NPC, but you still need to equip them.
There is just an easy way to fix it. When a drop is tagged to an Hero. Add an adidtional 50% chance that the drop 'bounces' to a player.

For gold, just give heroes half a share. So they get 1/[party size]/2 instead of 1/[party size], and the rest is shared between players and henchmen.

Master Sword Keeper

Master Sword Keeper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dead Isle

Farmers Of Woe [FoW]

W/

Quote:
there would be a lot more 4-man Heroway farming groups out there, including a 55-based group that could rape the entire Underworld and FoW without taking breaks.
Very very true. Extremely unfair. But think to this player's P.o.V. If they are the type who doesnt know how to farm let alone get over 10k in a month..I think it only fair. Veteran Players can reach 100k in a few days (depending on activity) When I first started playin It was barely 500g an hour just doing quests. I almost gave up, but yea sharing gold with heroe's is a bit over-done.
Still
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