Guildlessness
Steps Ascending
I don't know what you did while spamming /rock this weekend but I have been checking other player for a tag and I must say a vast majority of player are in a guild. So i've been wondering, how many people are actually guildless by choice here. How many people automatically say No everytime they are asked to join a guild.
Diddy bow
i had MAJOR lagg during the event and saw ppl without tags (myself included) which could be alot. I think its mainly new ppl who are guildless (and most are eager to join/make one) Older players usually just make thier own i think
lagrand1
I've never really cared to join a guild. I usually would hench missions and quests, and join pug's when I had to. The only times I joined was when I found someone that was very cool in game. Lately, however, I joined on because I want to have people I can join up with, to do HA or things like that. It gets frustrating waiting to find a group.
Geminus_Solis
Guildless by choice. The general crowd (in any game for that matter) is extremely facultatively challenged and most Guilds just bring that asnine idiocy to the fore.
The times I was in a Guild was from the BWEs till Summer 06 when I got fed up with PvP in this game and quit.
Guilds are useless. Unless of course, if one's threshold / tolerance levels for immaturity are very forgiving.
I do get asked a lot, but I always decline...politely. And that is the way it's going to stay unless somehow, from somewhere, I run into a small bunch of rather smart, quick-tongued, opinionated, literate people. But that is too much to expect online, of course.
Take it easy,
GS.
The times I was in a Guild was from the BWEs till Summer 06 when I got fed up with PvP in this game and quit.
Guilds are useless. Unless of course, if one's threshold / tolerance levels for immaturity are very forgiving.
I do get asked a lot, but I always decline...politely. And that is the way it's going to stay unless somehow, from somewhere, I run into a small bunch of rather smart, quick-tongued, opinionated, literate people. But that is too much to expect online, of course.
Take it easy,
GS.
Kuldebar Valiturus
In a guild of one at the moment. Guild chat isn't that exciting but every guild member is online when I log on.
Vortex Elegy
Guildless atm, and not looking. I find myself rather comfortable with heroes and henches, or the occasionally PUG.
Get asked sometimes, especially after I've healmonked a PUG through a though mission but decline polite.
I just like the solitude when playing alone as well as the company when doing PUGs. Just happen to like the former more than the latter.
Get asked sometimes, especially after I've healmonked a PUG through a though mission but decline polite.
I just like the solitude when playing alone as well as the company when doing PUGs. Just happen to like the former more than the latter.
wsmcasey
I would like to join an active, established, mature guild, but it seem to be impossible.
I usually get 1 or 2 invite per day in the Random Arenas, but I usually decline.
A few days ago I got a wild hair and decided to accept an invite, you know, take a chance. This is what happened:
officer1: lets do GvG, we need to recruit one more guy!
officer2: Im busy leveling, almost lvl20 and Ill join.
officer3: Im recruiting a guy now
officer1: Everyone meet in Guild hall for GvG!
Me: Ya sure, why not.
officer3: Im coming.
officer2: Im still lvl19, I cant yet.
*In the mean time everyone is waiting on officer2 to level to 20*
Me: dude, why dont you just roll a pvp character and get over here.
officer3: Ya
officer1: Come on man, hurry up, we are all waiting on you. Please come now.
officer3: Uh, sorry, I gotta go eat, my moms calling me
officer1: Ah freaking asdfawe;fjiasejfalwerfa.e
officer2: Okay, Im level20, im here, but I suck at pvp and dont like being pressured to do this.
me: So, whats the game plan, any strategy.
*silence*
*other guild members come to the guild hall and we have enough for a team*
officer1: starts the match
*oh damn, we are fighting Koreans!* *we are screwed!*
Me: (playing my monk and healing everyone like made as they die like lambs to the slaughter)
*1 minute later*
Match over.
officer2: Im quiting the guild, I dont like this kinda pressure.
me: wtf?
*the next 5 minutes was basically officers fighting with each other like children.*
*I promptly left the Guild, and here I am*
Still Guildless and waiting for the right one.
I usually get 1 or 2 invite per day in the Random Arenas, but I usually decline.
A few days ago I got a wild hair and decided to accept an invite, you know, take a chance. This is what happened:
officer1: lets do GvG, we need to recruit one more guy!
officer2: Im busy leveling, almost lvl20 and Ill join.
officer3: Im recruiting a guy now
officer1: Everyone meet in Guild hall for GvG!
Me: Ya sure, why not.
officer3: Im coming.
officer2: Im still lvl19, I cant yet.
*In the mean time everyone is waiting on officer2 to level to 20*
Me: dude, why dont you just roll a pvp character and get over here.
officer3: Ya
officer1: Come on man, hurry up, we are all waiting on you. Please come now.
officer3: Uh, sorry, I gotta go eat, my moms calling me
officer1: Ah freaking asdfawe;fjiasejfalwerfa.e
officer2: Okay, Im level20, im here, but I suck at pvp and dont like being pressured to do this.
me: So, whats the game plan, any strategy.
*silence*
*other guild members come to the guild hall and we have enough for a team*
officer1: starts the match
*oh damn, we are fighting Koreans!* *we are screwed!*
Me: (playing my monk and healing everyone like made as they die like lambs to the slaughter)
*1 minute later*
Match over.
officer2: Im quiting the guild, I dont like this kinda pressure.
me: wtf?
*the next 5 minutes was basically officers fighting with each other like children.*
*I promptly left the Guild, and here I am*
Still Guildless and waiting for the right one.
divinechancellor
lol thats a nice little story...
I hope you find the right one, because it sucks to be alone in a vast world
I hope you find the right one, because it sucks to be alone in a vast world
Wilhelm
<Guildless by choice. No sense in being in a HA based guild, when you don't HA anymore.
Unless your a beginner, or into GvG, there isn't much need to be in a guild. There's no egotistical, immature people on your friends list.
Unless your a beginner, or into GvG, there isn't much need to be in a guild. There's no egotistical, immature people on your friends list.
Doggie Dog
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officer1: lets do GvG, we need to recruit one more guy! .... *the next 5 minutes was basically officers fighting with each other like children.* *I promptly left the Guild, and here I am* Still Guildless and waiting for the right one |
With a game like GW which appeals to a broad age range, it's clear that you'll find ppl whom you think are very immature (I do too). Likewise they will think we're probably boring old fuddy duddies
But I honestly can't understand why there are so many guildless people out there (who do actually want to join a guild). Unless, of course, the guildless people are so extremely fussy that finding a guild that meets their stringent criteria is practically impossible. I wonder...
There are great guilds out there...don't lose the faith
red orc
This is cause ANET invented a game called "GUILD wars" without any software to support guild creation and for ppl to find guilds.
You have to grind HA or hang around RA/TA to get an invitation, while guild officers needs to do the same. This is a just time lost both for you and the guilds. There are many guilds out there looking for players, and players looking for guilds.
You have to grind HA or hang around RA/TA to get an invitation, while guild officers needs to do the same. This is a just time lost both for you and the guilds. There are many guilds out there looking for players, and players looking for guilds.
Kuldebar Valiturus
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Originally Posted by red orc
This is cause ANET invented a game called "GUILD wars" without any software to support guild creation and for ppl to find guilds.
You have to grind HA or hang around RA/TA to get an invitation, while guild officers needs to do the same. This is a just time lost both for you and the guilds. There are many guilds out there looking for players, and players looking for guilds. |
Being guilded should be very important in Guild Wars but there are many things working against doing things with other guildees:
-fairly restrictive size limitations of groups
-instanced based explorable areas (no late comers, no swapping people out, etc.)
-the campaign-spread along with the commensurate road blocks and inaccessible areas
Running any guild in any online game is very much like the herding of cats, but in Guild Wars those cats are blind folded, located within different homes and under the influence of very potent catnip.
Div
There's not too much of a point in being in a guild unless you want to GvG or participate in HA or hardcore PvE areas, and don't like to keep a large friends list. Most guilds aren't worth joining, but there are still some pretty good ones that don't do GvG's.
Priest Of Sin
I'm basically Guildless atm... all 40 of my members are nearing 1 week of being offline. Since Zergway was nerfed, most people stopped playing... maybe i'll think up an HA build that revolves around Minions so we can scream "ZERG RUSH" again as we enter the match. Good times, good times.
Cats
I agree with Doggie Dog, there are good guilds out there.
And I wouldn't restrict guild activities to be only for GvG, HA or PvE areas. In my guild, the primary pre-occupation are the friendly chatter, zany guild hall parties, quirky mini-games we invent, occasional RP and the casting and filming for vids to be placed on you-tube. In fact our TS server is mostly used for karaoke/jamming sessions. The main thing that you're with a group of buddies that you enjoy, whatever else comes next really doesn't matter.
And I wouldn't restrict guild activities to be only for GvG, HA or PvE areas. In my guild, the primary pre-occupation are the friendly chatter, zany guild hall parties, quirky mini-games we invent, occasional RP and the casting and filming for vids to be placed on you-tube. In fact our TS server is mostly used for karaoke/jamming sessions. The main thing that you're with a group of buddies that you enjoy, whatever else comes next really doesn't matter.
Lynxius
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Originally Posted by Cats
I agree with Doggie Dog, there are good guilds out there.
And I wouldn't restrict guild activities to be only for GvG, HA or PvE areas. In my guild, the primary pre-occupation are the friendly chatter, zany guild hall parties, quirky mini-games we invent, occasional RP and the casting and filming for vids to be placed on you-tube. In fact our TS server is mostly used for karaoke/jamming sessions. The main thing that you're with a group of buddies that you enjoy, whatever else comes next really doesn't matter. |
Doggie Dog
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Originally Posted by Cats
I agree with Doggie Dog, there are good guilds out there.
And I wouldn't restrict guild activities to be only for GvG, HA or PvE areas. In my guild, the primary pre-occupation are the friendly chatter, zany guild hall parties, quirky mini-games we invent, occasional RP and the casting and filming for vids to be placed on you-tube. In fact our TS server is mostly used for karaoke/jamming sessions. The main thing that you're with a group of buddies that you enjoy, whatever else comes next really doesn't matter. |
Our guild hasn't reached the TS jamming session stage yet, but hey that's a good target! Note to self...
Treg Q
I have played with same guild members over year and it is more enjoyable play with friends and throwing some inside jokes (never saw them irl). Guildwars without guild is only... umm...
BowLad21
The only way I found a good guild was PMing a member and asking for a tryout. I'm still in the guild I found this way. Waiting to be discovered is overrated.
DunedainJedi
During the Gamer Weekend someone stuck his mike up to his stereo and blasted White and Nerdy over TS.
I got lucky and found a good guild with mostly mature members, if I wouldn't have gotten into a decent guild I'd probably be guild less right now.
I got lucky and found a good guild with mostly mature members, if I wouldn't have gotten into a decent guild I'd probably be guild less right now.
Fallen Hunter
Well, I love being in a guild. Having an active guild/alliance chat makes whatever you are doing so much more fun, as being able to talk to others is one of the reasons i play this game. My guild is full of nice, friendly people and they don't give out random invitations - only to people they know. But that's just me, I suppose.
Tobais_Druitt
ye i must admit i wouldnt be able to bear not being in a guild ATM as the guild im in now has grown into a gr8 friendship on the game were we all help each other, farm, etc etc. Tho i understand why some people dont want a guild i find a gd chuckle between friends makes the whole game a much richer expeirence rather than just soloing it as some people have stated they do
Doggie Dog
Pleased to see that the last few posts have confirmed my suspicions that there are decent guilds (and happy guildies) out there. Keep the flame flickering 
Death By Ketchup
I think every guild had their ups and downs. The guild I'm in is a good guild with mature players. but then not many people are on all that often becasue we all have jobs and are to busy in real life to get on. Tis the problem when the majority of the guild is 18 or older. But I still love the guild, and when theres like 10 people on its awsome.
Honestly though if I wasn"t in that guild I would have quit guild wars long ago.
Honestly though if I wasn"t in that guild I would have quit guild wars long ago.
Cats
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Honestly though if I wasn"t in that guild I would have quit guild wars long ago.
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Strider Howlfang
Yeah I'm in the same guild as Cats and I'm he main culprit for the madness in our alliance. I play the flute on TS as well as singing and general mad voices (I voice characters in her vids) so yeah our guild is mad up of nutters but for some reason we have one of the most organized guilds in guild wars.
rista blodorn
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Originally Posted by red orc
This is cause ANET invented a game called "GUILD wars" without any software to support guild creation and for ppl to find guilds.
You have to grind HA or hang around RA/TA to get an invitation, while guild officers needs to do the same. This is a just time lost both for you and the guilds. There are many guilds out there looking for players, and players looking for guilds. |
First, it's too easy to start a guild resulting in large numbers of fledgling guilds that never get off the ground, yet they compete for recruits on a equal footing. Second, recruiting is a nightmare. If you want/need to go outside your immediate acquaintances you are forced to stand around spamming or use the very limited message ability in the party search window. Third, it's way, way, way too easy for people to join/leave a guild. So if you are lucky or persistent enough to get a recruit and because there is a two hour window where no one is on to give the new recruit enough love, attention and/or free gp they bolt without making any real effort to get to know the guild or the members.
Do I like being in a guild? Yes a good guild really is the difference between making this game great vs just good. Do I like the guild system in GW? No. If eharmony can supposedly help me find a spouse I would think that GW could do a better job of matching up guilds and potential recruits.
Buttermilk
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Originally Posted by Wilhelm
There's no egotistical, immature people on your friends list.
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Too bad my friends list is full
The reason I'm in a guild is because we have a lot of fun events and helpful people (and a decent cape design
). I don't like GvGs any more. I was in a gvg-based guild once, but it fell apart. PvP has never been the same since.
I have been guildless quite a few times and I can't stand when people ask me if I need a guild. Of course I don't. If you're guildless it's because you haven't found a guild that has the same goals as you do, and people should respect that.
/waves at Cats
(old guildie, now on friends list- (this is Breeze btw) )
Kuldebar Valiturus
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Originally Posted by Strider Howlfang
(I voice characters in her vids)
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If I was forced to distill a reason from all the possible reasons that Guild Wars has concerning the challenge of building strong guilds, it would be too much segmentation of the playerbase. The games greatest strengths work counter toward random player interaction.
Assuming you don't already have a coterie of real life friends or historical guildmates, if you aren't pugging, you aren't meeting new people and building new in-game friendships.
You certainly aren't "bumping" into them on your adventures. Nor are you crossing paths with them consistently while in Outposts. It's a very fractured social scene.
Some of you who are blessed with outgoing and engaging personalities may thrive, because you are the types of people that grab the hibernating bear by the tail and rouse it from it's rest.
But most social wallflowers will simply find no need to change their ways because the game really doesn't give them a shove...or a nudge to do so.
Cats
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Hehe, good stuff.
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Those were the days eh Strider, heeh.
Strider Howlfang
Ah the Kurzick hater, yeah that was fun to do just improvised half of that 
just improvised half of that
Doggie Dog
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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus
... because you are the types of people that grab the hibernating bear by the tail and rouse it from it's rest...
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Im Perfect U Aint
im in a guild....but i would consider myself guildless i dont do anything with my guild. i despise my alliance to immature alliance chat is off 100% of the time. when guildies r on they dont talk much...the few that talk to me r pve all the time. they wouldnt know what ra ta ab or ha were. o well they get me into the ab arena thats all i want. and someone to laugh at when he makes a stupid comment.
Cats
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Originally Posted by Im Perfect U Aint
im in a guild....but i would consider myself guildless i dont do anything with my guild. i despise my alliance to immature alliance chat is off 100% of the time. when guildies r on they dont talk much...the few that talk to me r pve all the time. they wouldnt know what ra ta ab or ha were. o well they get me into the ab arena thats all i want. and someone to laugh at when he makes a stupid comment.
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Superdarth
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Originally Posted by Geminus_Solis
Guildless by choice. The general crowd (in any game for that matter) is extremely facultatively challenged and most Guilds just bring that asnine idiocy to the fore.
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I am however, looking to join a guild now, the thing is: It has to be a guild with nice mature members, so no children.That drasticly reduces the amount of Guilds i can join, add to that that all Guilds claim they are good and nice and then its REALY hard to know wich one is good and wich isnt.
Tenkrad
when i bring people into our guild i let them know its a tryout period. see how you like it, see how we like you. if you like it, stay as long as you like, if you dont, feel free to try somewhere else. joining a guild for feel shouldnt feel like you are getting married...
our guild has quite a few long time members and we have alot of older (not necessarily mature =p) players. but thats cause we are comfortable now with each other and can play fools around each other and the alliance. just cause you grow old doesnt mean you always have to act old
our guild has quite a few long time members and we have alot of older (not necessarily mature =p) players. but thats cause we are comfortable now with each other and can play fools around each other and the alliance. just cause you grow old doesnt mean you always have to act old
Stixxx
i've always been fortunate with the guilds i was in. I've been in 3 serious guilds now and so far i cant complain. Alliances were always good too (some of 'em lol )
Fridaynights were always a blast! Almost everyone from the alliance hopped on a TS server and started joking, singing and whatnot. Everyone was drunk as well. Laughing yourself sick about things that arent even funny. Yelling on TS (ex -[DS] alliance might recognize this ^^) "SHTEADY NOW" in an Ali G accent. Good times, happy days...
In the guild i'm currently in we hardly recruit ppl we dont know. Everyone is a friend of everyone, in RL or online. Some guys have gotten invites to play in the core of top ranked guilds, but turn them down everytime because they dont want to leave.
[CrAP] Fo'evah!
Fridaynights were always a blast! Almost everyone from the alliance hopped on a TS server and started joking, singing and whatnot. Everyone was drunk as well. Laughing yourself sick about things that arent even funny. Yelling on TS (ex -[DS] alliance might recognize this ^^) "SHTEADY NOW" in an Ali G accent. Good times, happy days...
In the guild i'm currently in we hardly recruit ppl we dont know. Everyone is a friend of everyone, in RL or online. Some guys have gotten invites to play in the core of top ranked guilds, but turn them down everytime because they dont want to leave.
[CrAP] Fo'evah!
Jedbacca
I know I'm guilded, but I thought I'd like to have a lil' both sides of the fence approach to the situation. I personally enjoy being in a guild, I'm in a guild right now where I've had the opportunity to game w/said individuals for almost 10 years now. Obviously we came from a different game, but when everyone flooded from the old game over to GW, this guild ended up being the "Magestorm retirement home." After trials and tribulations of other guilds left over from the game deceased by Mythic, we were able to group up as one and still keep part of our old community.
So, based off of our old guild structure from the previous game, we've been able to have a productive alliance now, that we work with very closely almost on a daily basis. We get to see multiple tags in everyone's GvG's to fill in for that guilds core and improve everyone across each guild. For a guild or two in the alliance that may suffer from a shortage of a member or two, it gives us time to recoup and still depend on our allies to assist us, and continually give us the pick-me-up that we need to continue on w/o a hitch. So, for me and how our alliance operates it's quite nice to work so close w/other guilds and have a tight nit relationship like that. So, for me, the guild experience has been quite beneficial, never really had to many problems.
I would see it really only in how the guild is ran and how the attitudes are molded from the get go. Some people are just impatient, if you are dealing with more laid back ppl like yourself, chances are everyone's gonna be laxed with you and not really feel pressed to gogogo.
On the bad end of the stick, you do run in to guilds that are just pressuring. The "you must be on," you this, you that, etc etc.. Or even the guilds that end up in your alliance that just treat a guild like trash. Those situations tend to prove so negative at times that they make the feeling of being in a guild inapplicable for some individuals. All you can really do, is just bob and weave until you find the right guild for you. If you joined a guild and left w/in the first two weeks, that would be understandable, due to the fact you are just trying to get a feel if that is what is for you. So, don't get discouraged, in a lot of cases it's nice to not have to PUG or wait for a team and be able to pull the troops together to help you out w/any aspect of the game >
So, based off of our old guild structure from the previous game, we've been able to have a productive alliance now, that we work with very closely almost on a daily basis. We get to see multiple tags in everyone's GvG's to fill in for that guilds core and improve everyone across each guild. For a guild or two in the alliance that may suffer from a shortage of a member or two, it gives us time to recoup and still depend on our allies to assist us, and continually give us the pick-me-up that we need to continue on w/o a hitch. So, for me and how our alliance operates it's quite nice to work so close w/other guilds and have a tight nit relationship like that. So, for me, the guild experience has been quite beneficial, never really had to many problems.
I would see it really only in how the guild is ran and how the attitudes are molded from the get go. Some people are just impatient, if you are dealing with more laid back ppl like yourself, chances are everyone's gonna be laxed with you and not really feel pressed to gogogo.
On the bad end of the stick, you do run in to guilds that are just pressuring. The "you must be on," you this, you that, etc etc.. Or even the guilds that end up in your alliance that just treat a guild like trash. Those situations tend to prove so negative at times that they make the feeling of being in a guild inapplicable for some individuals. All you can really do, is just bob and weave until you find the right guild for you. If you joined a guild and left w/in the first two weeks, that would be understandable, due to the fact you are just trying to get a feel if that is what is for you. So, don't get discouraged, in a lot of cases it's nice to not have to PUG or wait for a team and be able to pull the troops together to help you out w/any aspect of the game >
Star Gazer
there are some good guilds out there guys, it just takes time to find them. the guild i am in now was formed due to the exact reasons which you all have stated: hating immature people, idle guilds, and petty arguements. The ones in the guild right now are very knowledgable people..we have organized events in order to make guild activities fun (after all, this is a GAME right?). If you think all guilds are immature etc, then you havent found the right guild. Just my 2 cents
Well99
I generally do the one man guild.I have yet to find a guild that does 1/20th what they advertise.Guilds are about numbers.GL and officers just want the slots filled.The kick in the butt is they dont do much to keep folks in them.I just joined a guild last week.In the first 4 hrs of being in the guild I helped on more mission/quest then everyone else combined.There were plenty of officers and others on but farming and recruiting were more important.This is pretty typical of any guild I have been in.
I dont expect everyone to drop everything their doing when some one ask for help but if you say your a helpful guild then back it up.Oh and that dont mean giving them fow armor or Vanni in NF.
I am strickly PVE and so maybe I look at it differently.Also have completed all three games numerous times.For some reason some people in guilds are afraid to jump into missions besides low level ones.Trips me out.I do strickly hero/hench myself but alot of folks in guilds want some help and dont get it.
(Steps off soap box)I am back in a one man guild.Doesnt seem any different then being in one with a bunch of people.
I dont expect everyone to drop everything their doing when some one ask for help but if you say your a helpful guild then back it up.Oh and that dont mean giving them fow armor or Vanni in NF.
I am strickly PVE and so maybe I look at it differently.Also have completed all three games numerous times.For some reason some people in guilds are afraid to jump into missions besides low level ones.Trips me out.I do strickly hero/hench myself but alot of folks in guilds want some help and dont get it.
(Steps off soap box)I am back in a one man guild.Doesnt seem any different then being in one with a bunch of people.