Newest PvP Primer

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Now, in the past the Primers haven't had much of a track record (Not being informative enough, giving build suggestions that just plainly aren't good, etc).

But I looked at the newest one "Miscellaneous Game Effects" and I am frightened by it. It seems Anet are letting people write their articles that don't even play the game. Now I know why half of the articles aren't signed by their author. I can't believe these people are paid.

This article, apart from being mostly just long lists of all the skills that do a certain thing (like reduce damage), actually has just plain FALSE information in it.

I can name 3 mistakes in it that I caught just quickly going through it a first time.
1) Incorrect description of Exhaustion. The article suggests that Exhaustion gained is equal to the cost of a spell (and even gives the example of a 5 energy spell giving 5 points of exhaustion). Anyone who has ever even used an exhaustion spell knows this is not true - Exhaustion takes a static 10 energy from your bar no matter the cost of spell.

2) When giving suggestions on how to kill yourself with health sacrifice it mentions using a +60 hp staff and Infuse Health'ing yourself down to under 60 HP and changing to a no +hp weapon set to cause "instant death". This is false. If you've ever done this or fooled around with a 55 monk with DP you'd know that you cannot kill yourself by switching weapon sets - If you switch to a set that would give you less than 1 hp then the game registers it as 1 hp left and you do not die. In his example the person would have to use Infuse Health 1 more time after switching sets to finally die.

3) The very next paragraph is also false. It mentions how Aura of the Lich "indirectly" reduces health sacrifice by reducing your health by half. It does that sure, but it also directly decreases the health sacrifice percentage by half (10% sacs become 5% sacs, on top of the lowered sac because of lower hp). This is most easily seen by using a 10% health sac and your normal 480 hp. It takes 48 hp. Under Lich your health is changed to 240 - so 24hp sacced right? nope..Aura further reduces the sac to 12hp.
EDIT: BTW, this isn't even getting into the issue of percentage caps and reduction stacks. Like the article simply puts "all damage reduction stacks" when actually different skills stack differently with other skills.

tomcruisejr

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

that's why guildwiki.org is way better than most of the official article published by A.Net.

Dscrilla

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/N

You know i appriciate the effort they put into it, but inaccurate infromation like this is inexcusiable. I noticed the errors as well. Hopefully people will continue to get thier info from fan sites. Its really dissapointing to see these errors in an "official" guilde. They need to check theese articles before publishing.

Spura

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Man these articles can blow. Who needs a list of skills that increase crit hit chance when they don't explain what critical hit does anyway?

Or the last article on skill stacking they totally left out adrenaline gain bonuses stacking. Maybe then they'd have to explain why is focused anger still capped at 10 leadership. That would be hardcore.

Batou of Nine

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

Typos are one thing. But like the OP pointed out, the article has just some blatent WRONG info. Some REALLY basic game mechanics being said wrong is just simply sad. The fact that the auther apparantly doesn't even play the game, or hardly at all, tells me that they just don't care. Not a good thing to portray to the game fans...

Now idk if Anet or NCSoft is at fault for this, but either way that is careless. They should also have an editor that KNOWS the game, that way not only basic errors will be addressed, but wrong game info will be filtered.

And i am one of those folk who constantly defends Anet/NCsoft, but this... this is just NOT excusable.

cheers.

Taala

Taala

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Hah, has anyone sent an email to Anet or otherwise let them know about this? It's no good for them to have wrong information on their pages for long.

Bread Fan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
It seems Anet are letting people write their articles that don't even play the game.
Kind of like getting people to vote on HA that have never even tried it...

Bastian

Bastian

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
If you've ever done this or fooled around with a 55 monk with DP you'd know that you cannot kill yourself by swithing weapon sets
Not that it matters, but yes you can kill yourself by weapon swapping...

Just use a vamp mod.

Chief

Chief

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bread Fan
Kind of like getting people to vote on HA that have never even tried it...
I really hope whoever wrote this article is not involved with the skill balance or game mechanic issues for Heroes’ Ascent. If so, I quite worried.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
If you've ever done this or fooled around with a 55 monk with DP you'd know that you cannot kill yourself by swithing weapon sets
Not that it matters, but yes you can kill yourself by weapon swapping...

Just use a vamp mod.
I do not know about any 55 monks in PvP, but the best way to be the sacrificial lamb, so the party can raise minions, is swapping to a vampiric sword/axe/spear with +5 energy and a focus item with a +15/-1 energy inscription, without any HP mods on either item before you start infusing.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastian
Not that it matters, but yes you can kill yourself by weapon swapping...

Just use a vamp mod.
I don't stand corrected really, you cannot *instantly* kill yourself by weapon swapping.

The Vamp Mod's degen can kill you, but thats delayed to like ~.5sec after you swap.

Funny Sidenote: If you are fast enough, and have 1 hp, You can swith to a vamp weapon and quickly swith back to a normal weapon and have like half a bar left, so you have literally like .5 hp

Dscrilla

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taala
Hah, has anyone sent an email to Anet or otherwise let them know about this? It's no good for them to have wrong information on their pages for long.
I just sent Gaile a PM here on GWguru. Its a shame becuse i think the PVP primer is a really good idea.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

Quote:
Note that maximum Energy is always reduced by 10 for Exhaustion-causing spells, even if you cast a 5 Energy spell or a 25 Energy spell.
Looks like they fixed it.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

They fixed the exhaustion sentence, but none of the rest of the article.

That was the most plainly wrong though. Atleast they made some incentive to fix it.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

This stuff ain't new, Anet has always officially endorsed whacky builds. Tons of the old Premade characters were unbelievably ridiculous.

Once someone on this board posted a clip from a magazine of an article by Anet staff entitled something like "How to Win in HoH" and the person who posted the picture photoshopped a "not" into the text. That article said things like it's great to bring Light of Dwayna on the HoH map. Not even exaggerating about any of this.

Am I the only one who remembers this stuff?

Not sure why it suddenly comes as a surprise to so many.

Vermilion

Vermilion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

NY

I suppose its a good thing no one reads those things.

Or maybe everyone does and its just me that doesn't?

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

I know we made changes to the document today. Could you tell me if all were amended properly?

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

The Infuse and the Aura Of The Lich bits are still wrong.

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
I know we made changes to the document today. Could you tell me if all were amended properly?
May I have a word? Good.
While I think ANet does a good job writing articles to the generel public about their own game, I feel that it would look just a tiny bit better, if the actual information mentioned inside, were true.

Thanks for your time.

Hell Raiser

Hell Raiser

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

[PHNX]

Mo/

If you have ever worked for anyone, and they drop a ton of work on you and give you a deadline, you find ways of getting many of the things on the list done quickly. This could mean getting another employee to do something and just tossing them some notes on how to do it, to many of you this will be seen as "bad management" but if it is, you have never been put in a situation like that. I'm not dissapointed that they messed up on this (Maybe they are busy working on Chapter4/5 O.o ), they are only human and it is not like this can be exploited or anyone could be hurt.

I am NOT sucking up to Anet, they have many problems that need to be worked on, but I have more of my own problems that I can clearly see infront of theirs. Don't be so quick to judge them, put yourself in a situation that could cause such a problem and ask yourself how you would deal with it, or maybe even hop off that cloud of yours and take a look in the mirror, you could see that you have more problems that need addressing.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Just another example of the complete mismanagement of Anet. When the management is bad that's when a business usually collapses.

Dscrilla

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/N

Geez thats harsh. They fixed the most eggegious errors (within a couple hours if my message was the first they heard of it), and are asking us for futher feedback. This is not an example of mismanagment, this is good customer relations. All We can reasonably ask for is a bit more fact checking before the next PVP primer.

Rhedd

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird?

True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler

One mistake might be forgivable, but I'm sure you'll all agree that two or more mistakes in such an article clearly means the end of the entire world is very, very near.

Therefore, due to the mistakes in the article, I have ceased playing GW and gone out to buy umbrellas, since it should start raining blood and frogs any minute now, and I want to be prepared.

<_<

>_>

I just hate it when it rains frogs...

Gert Butterfing

Gert Butterfing

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

New Dragons [NDR]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
I just hate it when it rains frogs...
Especially when there is no Sunspear Scout to give a bounty nearby...

Bastian

Bastian

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
I don't stand corrected really, you cannot *instantly* kill yourself by weapon swapping.

The Vamp Mod's degen can kill you, but thats delayed to like ~.5sec after you swap.

Funny Sidenote: If you are fast enough, and have 1 hp, You can swith to a vamp weapon and quickly swith back to a normal weapon and have like half a bar left, so you have literally like .5 hp
When did I say that you stand corrected? Just wondering, bad day maybe? Also, I don't think anything in life is instantaneous, except maybe at the quantum level...

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dscrilla
All We can reasonably ask for is a bit more fact checking before the next PVP primer.
Most of this is basic knowledge for PvP players. That the articles would even need to be fact checked isn't a good sign.

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastian
When did I say that you stand corrected? Just wondering, bad day maybe? Also, I don't think anything in life is instantaneous, except maybe at the quantum level...
Everything is relative, except the speed of light in empty space. /offtopic

dmndidjit

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deleet
Everything is relative, except the speed of light in empty space. /offtopic
Aaah, but if there is light there, then it really isn't empty space, is it? Best not to open the box until you have the coals all ready to BBQ the cat.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect to glean any pearls of wisdom from the official Anet site. They haven't exactly done a stellar job with it. Sure they added a few glitzy graphics, but they have vehemently resisted making it truly informative (no Forum, Minimal Skill information, insistence on being cryptic in announcements, etc.)

I'm sure they have great plans for the Wiki though.

Medion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Netherlands

Quote:
2) When giving suggestions on how to kill yourself with health sacrifice it mentions using a +60 hp staff and Infuse Health'ing yourself down to under 60 HP and changing to a no +hp weapon set to cause "instant death". This is false. If you've ever done this or fooled around with a 55 monk with DP you'd know that you cannot kill yourself by switching weapon sets - If you switch to a set that would give you less than 1 hp then the game registers it as 1 hp left and you do not die. In his example the person would have to use Infuse Health 1 more time after switching sets to finally die.
Actually..I think I did this a few weeks ago. I'll test it ingame tomorrow though, it could be that I died of something else (don't remember for sure)

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Medion - You do not die, beelive me, and the article was editted to reflect this fact.

I am glad that Anet owned up to this and fixed the obvious mistakes, and can only hope that in the future they can do this BEFORE the article has been published.

Nkah Sennyt

Nkah Sennyt

Awaken from hiatus.

Join Date: Apr 2006

Riding the spiral.

No Fun Allowed [Vdya]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
2) When giving suggestions on how to kill yourself with health sacrifice it mentions using a +60 hp staff and Infuse Health'ing yourself down to under 60 HP and changing to a no +hp weapon set to cause "instant death". This is false. If you've ever done this or fooled around with a 55 monk with DP you'd know that you cannot kill yourself by switching weapon sets - If you switch to a set that would give you less than 1 hp then the game registers it as 1 hp left and you do not die. In his example the person would have to use Infuse Health 1 more time after switching sets to finally die.
Unless they've made a recent change to this, this is entirely true. It's exactly how I sacced for minions before the Jagged nerf.

Also, saccing with +energy weapons/offhands is a terrible idea, I do hope you were joking.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dscrilla
Geez thats harsh. They fixed the most eggegious errors (within a couple hours if my message was the first they heard of it), and are asking us for futher feedback. This is not an example of mismanagment, this is good customer relations. All We can reasonably ask for is a bit more fact checking before the next PVP primer.
Thank you.

Good heavens, it's been a while since I've seen such drama! I mean, the whole company is in dire risk of death and dismemberment because of a factual error on a single article in a single section of our website? Come on, be real!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
One mistake might be forgivable, but I'm sure you'll all agree that two or more mistakes in such an article clearly means the end of the entire world is very, very near.

Therefore, due to the mistakes in the article, I have ceased playing GW and gone out to buy umbrellas, since it should start raining blood and frogs any minute now, and I want to be prepared.

<_<

>_>

I just hate it when it rains frogs...
Now, there you go! Rhedd here is showing the appropriate reaction to this issue. I mean, I guess others might suggest Falling on the Sword is the proper reaction, but I'd say the Umbrella Strategy is a good one, too.

******************************

Ok and I've had my fun, so I'll be serious now: We're sorry for the errors, and all were corrected, to the best of my knowledge, as soon as they were reported by good folk like you and attended to by our writing team. Please don't think that we don't care, or that we're not careful, either one. Sometimes, people make mistakes. The critical point is that your feedback is appreciated, and that correction are made, right?

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

The earlier Primer this february had wrong information in it as well.
I don't want to get anyone fired, but why does it keep happening?
I sent an email about the last primer's errors and it never got changed.

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmndidjit
Aaah, but if there is light there, then it really isn't empty space, is it? Best not to open the box until you have the coals all ready to BBQ the cat.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect to glean any pearls of wisdom from the official Anet site. They haven't exactly done a stellar job with it. Sure they added a few glitzy graphics, but they have vehemently resisted making it truly informative (no Forum, Minimal Skill information, insistence on being cryptic in announcements, etc.)

I'm sure they have great plans for the Wiki though.
/offtopic
Yes, Light can be in empty space, I'm not sure about this, but light does not have a mass?

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deleet
/offtopic
Yes, Light can be in empty space, I'm not sure about this, but light does not have a mass?
It's not really relevant, but I'm fairly sure light has a slight mass. Or perhaps I fail.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Sometimes, people make mistakes. The critical point is that your feedback is appreciated, and that correction are made, right?
The problem is that seeing these kind of errors from the company that balances the PvP sector of the game doesn't really... fill the community with confidence.

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deleet
/offtopic
Yes, Light can be in empty space, I'm not sure about this, but light does not have a mass?
Light quanta (photons) have exactly zero mass.

Peace,
-CxE

kurtas

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Ex Talonis

Mo/

Quote:
Please don't think that we don't care, or that we're not careful,
I think that, and i cant see how you would expect people to think otherwise when you let people who have never played the game write website content without having someone read it for basic mistakes.

Quote:
Sometimes, people make mistakes. The critical point is that your feedback is appreciated, and that correction are made, right?
No, the critical point is that it shouldnt have required our feedback, its just common sence to not let people who have no idea what they're talking about write articles about your product, and then put those articles on your website without a basic read through.

*waves bye bye to last shreds of beleif in the idea that Anet knows what they're doing*

If you cant run a website how can you manage a complex and constantly changing meta game?