I agree with VitisVinifera (in the above post), releasing a game before testing would mean TONS of exploits and bugs and worst of all Bad Player Reviews. Many people wait until they get some feedback from other players before buying the next expansion, if people find tons of bugs and problems like imbalance there will be bad reviews by the players and thus less revenue for the company (depending on the number of people who look at these reviews).
People have gotten really (in their own personal way) strict with anet because they were not pleased with one or both expansions, and they don't want to waste more money if people don't like the game.
Is anet going to stick with its promise of chapters every 6 months?
Hell Raiser
Jetdoc
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I'd rather have it soon. They can fix it after release; this is an online game, after all.
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Scion of Havoc
Has anyone considered that the big "update" may be to the server or the engine? Or that they may include a more "permanent" feel to the game like environment changes. All of those things would impact the game without a new chapter and in the case of a new server or engine you would have a huge impact on how the financial came out. I think they will hold to a 6-9 month timetable as that is what their "stated" business model has said since before the initial beta tests several years ago.
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Has anyone considered that the big "update" may be to the server or the engine? Or that they may include a more "permanent" feel to the game like environment changes. All of those things would impact the game without a new chapter and in the case of a new server or engine you would have a huge impact on how the financial came out. I think they will hold to a 6-9 month timetable as that is what their "stated" business model has said since before the initial beta tests several years ago.
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CyberNigma
I would rather have them add more and release longer as well. The real joke would be to wait the extra 6 months for another release and have it the size and scale of Factions and not Prophecies.
Fox Reeveheart
I wish some other mainstream company would make a pay-one time forever MMORPG. And by mainstream I mean something you actually have to go to best buy or gamestop and buy it, not some silly downloadable game on the net.
And what I heard what the structuring of the game is like in terms of development and timetables... is that games are actually developed for a full year as such...
first guild wars had to be created, however long that took first
Guild wars is released, factions development starts
Six months into factions development, another team begins nightfall development.
six months later (1 year that we remember) factions is released. At this point chapter 4 was supposed to be started in development.
Six months later nightfall is released. Chapter 5 is being developed now.
and the pattern is supposedly believed to be like that, though it seems like 6 months to us, the game has been in development for a whole year.
And what I heard what the structuring of the game is like in terms of development and timetables... is that games are actually developed for a full year as such...
first guild wars had to be created, however long that took first
Guild wars is released, factions development starts
Six months into factions development, another team begins nightfall development.
six months later (1 year that we remember) factions is released. At this point chapter 4 was supposed to be started in development.
Six months later nightfall is released. Chapter 5 is being developed now.
and the pattern is supposedly believed to be like that, though it seems like 6 months to us, the game has been in development for a whole year.
Lothlorian Sassun
6 month schedule is not a promise it is a schedule. Schedules are modified all the time in all aspects of life be it a personal or business schedule. If you schedule an appointment for the Dentist and don't make that appointment then you will have to reschedule. All this talk about releasing a game that is "Not Complete" is hogwash in my opinion. I have finished all 3 campaigns and I found them to be hours of fun and enjoyment. I do not know of a game that is released on PC that does not have an update. There are bugs in all software. Microsoft releases a patch every second Tuesday of the month 12 months out of the year for Windows OS. If software designers waited to release software that is bug free then we would NEVER see a product come to market at all.
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And yeah, people nowadays seem to think anything mentioned is a promise. The sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Bunch of spoiled brats I tell you...
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ANET Promised NOTHING in terms of realease date. Like many have said, it's a GOAL. Let's just give them space to make a great product without making them feel like they owe us something NOW.
Cherrie
I'd rather wait annother 6 months for next chapter, but get something really cool, new and well-thought-through. No imbalancing skills, proffesions or titles, cool ideas, great story etc etc
freekedoutfish
Id love to see where Anet actually "promised" to release a new campaign every 6 months?
Where is the signed contract or legally binding obligation to do that? Where did they shake hands or spit in their palms and promise this?
The idea of it coming out every 6 months was probably started by an Anet employee making a comment during an interview saying they would "like to" or "try to" release one every 6 months.
I dont mind how long they take to release campaigns. Id rather they spent the time polishing them up and perfecting them before release. If that means it takes 6 months or a year, then thats fine by me.
Otherwise we end up with more "Factions".
And considering the game is free to play and we're not loosing any money if we dont play, then why are you so bothered?
Just do something else until the new campaign comes out. Such as have a life outside of your room.
Some of you are talking as if you're going to go cold-turkey if they dont release another campaign within 6 months. Get a grip people. Its a game and your not paying to play it. Your not loosing out on anything if you have a break from it.
Where is the signed contract or legally binding obligation to do that? Where did they shake hands or spit in their palms and promise this?
The idea of it coming out every 6 months was probably started by an Anet employee making a comment during an interview saying they would "like to" or "try to" release one every 6 months.
I dont mind how long they take to release campaigns. Id rather they spent the time polishing them up and perfecting them before release. If that means it takes 6 months or a year, then thats fine by me.
Otherwise we end up with more "Factions".
And considering the game is free to play and we're not loosing any money if we dont play, then why are you so bothered?
Just do something else until the new campaign comes out. Such as have a life outside of your room.
Some of you are talking as if you're going to go cold-turkey if they dont release another campaign within 6 months. Get a grip people. Its a game and your not paying to play it. Your not loosing out on anything if you have a break from it.
Dione Davore
Everyone keeps asking where it is stated that:
It's somewhere in the Gaile Gray logs. A long time ago Gaile said something about releasing 2 chapters each year. But half a year ago (or something close) she said there would only be one release in 2007!
So I guess everyone should check the Gaile Gray logs... but since it's that many... nobody posted where this information was stated. And I'm not going through it either... cause I know what I read back then.
And please: no hero's in chapter 4 and absolutely no new characters!
It's somewhere in the Gaile Gray logs. A long time ago Gaile said something about releasing 2 chapters each year. But half a year ago (or something close) she said there would only be one release in 2007!
So I guess everyone should check the Gaile Gray logs... but since it's that many... nobody posted where this information was stated. And I'm not going through it either... cause I know what I read back then.
And please: no hero's in chapter 4 and absolutely no new characters!
The Ernada
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Everyone keeps asking where it is stated that:
It's somewhere in the Gaile Gray logs. A long time ago Gaile said something about releasing 2 chapters each year. But half a year ago (or something close) she said there would only be one release in 2007! So I guess everyone should check the Gaile Gray logs... but since it's that many... nobody posted where this information was stated. And I'm not going through it either... cause I know what I read back then. And please: no hero's in chapter 4 and absolutely no new characters! |
And if you don't like heroes then don't use them. Why are you asking for them to be taken out? People like you are so selfish in your demands...
RTSFirebat
I say they take their time. They never promised games every 6 months, they only said that is their aim.
No one wants a half assed chapter released.
No one wants a half assed chapter released.
Kakumei
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I completely disagree. I would much rather have a well-thought out new chapter, with most of the content tested and tweaked, than a glorified Beta test.
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I would like it--not that it will ever, ever happen--if they released a sort of "bare-bones" world for us to explore. Not much there, pretty basic. But then, over time, they add new outposts, new areas, new items, new bosses, new quests, new missions, everything. A true "evolving world" so to speak.
The downside, of course, would be the inevitable bugs--but so long as they aren't gamebreaking, I'm sure I could live with them.
Not that it's wrong for you to want a polished and completed product, of course. I'm merely offering another point of view, potential path to be followed.
WinterSnowblind
I can't wait for another Guild Wars expansion, but I'll gladly wait a little longer if it means they have more time to fix things up. I think some other people pointed it out already, but we don't need a repeat of Factions. As much as I loved the new content in that game, the story was weak and the missions were down right depressing.
bungusmaximus
I think that the more chapters/skills/professions there are the more problems will arise with skill balancing and combinations people didn't think about in the first place. After Nightfall got released aNet made Domain of Anguish, pimped HA and implemented several skill balances. This kinda points out that there are more pressing matters to attend to then releasing a new chapter. Better wait and get something good.
Thermoblaze
I don t mind if they releas chapter 4 as they say.It would be better if they releas this summer near 8 month.As some ppl of us don t have very good computers.But this summer i am going to buy new one 
So Anet you don t need to hurry up.
So Anet you don t need to hurry up.
Yawgmoth
Thankfully they stopped making an expansion every 6 months but instead concentrated on quality of the game. They (supposedly) delayed the c4 release both because of work on its own quality and work on upgrading the whole GW franchise. I really hope this will mean a better C4 that's not just "more of the same, again" but full of cool new interesting things, refreshing and filled with new features.
Think about it: During the 6 months between Factions and Nightfall releases there were NO major updates to the game done. Now things are different as multiple updates on the game features, quality and longeivity are done or being worked on (like reconnects, party search, HA improvements, new system of skill rebalances, the upcoming automated tournaments and hard mode... +many more)
I think that they stopped using their model of working at 2 campagins at once and instead of having their people divided into 2 teams working on separate things, they have one strong team working on C4 and the rest working on the game we got now - updates, upgrades and a more active Events Team than ever. C5 is probably only early concept work or is even not thought about at all.
< This is pure speculation and may be totally wrong >
Think about it: During the 6 months between Factions and Nightfall releases there were NO major updates to the game done. Now things are different as multiple updates on the game features, quality and longeivity are done or being worked on (like reconnects, party search, HA improvements, new system of skill rebalances, the upcoming automated tournaments and hard mode... +many more)
I think that they stopped using their model of working at 2 campagins at once and instead of having their people divided into 2 teams working on separate things, they have one strong team working on C4 and the rest working on the game we got now - updates, upgrades and a more active Events Team than ever. C5 is probably only early concept work or is even not thought about at all.
< This is pure speculation and may be totally wrong >
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Are they going to screw us over on their promise or will they deliver? Your opinion?
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Second thought, imo they never promised to roll out a chapter every 6 months. I don't own a signed contract between me and Anet stating I will get a chapter every 6 months. Neither do you right? Patience is a virtue. Some things are worth waiting for.
Melkorium
Okies, there seems to be alot of agreement on the 6-9 months timeframe as Anet's goal. Nine months on from NF is July, July is latter half of 2007 (bonza!), everyone could be happy.
The only real problem we have here is lack on concrete information form Anet. I'm inclined to agree that if we haven't heard anything by now (in comparison we'd had a PvP weekend for Factions this time last year) then we're not looking at a April release.
I'm ok with that, especially since it means a potential Chapter 5 wouldn't clash with Halloween like NF did. I like my spooky celebrations!
The only real problem we have here is lack on concrete information form Anet. I'm inclined to agree that if we haven't heard anything by now (in comparison we'd had a PvP weekend for Factions this time last year) then we're not looking at a April release.
I'm ok with that, especially since it means a potential Chapter 5 wouldn't clash with Halloween like NF did. I like my spooky celebrations!
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They (supposedly) delayed the c4 release both because of work on its own quality and work on upgrading the whole GW franchise.
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Loviatar
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agreement among the posters who have zero knowledge of what is actually going on.
THAT IS RUMOR not fact
correct that to NO information
ALEX WEEKES has this to say about rumors and i quote
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Okies, there seems to be alot of agreement on the 6-9 months timeframe as Anet's goal. Nine months on from NF is July, July is latter half of 2007 (bonza!), everyone could be happy.
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THAT IS RUMOR not fact
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Stoney Faust
This discussion seems to be pro-longed by people who do not read previous post. So far we have found out these following facts to be true.
a) Anet has delayed release date of C4 for the time being.
b) Anet did not promise a date in either posted form on GW official site, nor in its financial statement.
We have also heard some good arguments for both sides. I would say the best anti argument would be that people are getting bored with the game if not a new installment is released every 6 months. The best pro argument would be that we should expect quality of the game over time of release.
This is a simple discussion, but it seems some people just like seeing their post. The repetition of the last two pages are mirrored from the first two.
STATEMENT OF FACT: The C4 will be released when it is ready. Go pvp and farm the elite areas until then. Complaining about it is senseless and unnessecary. I expect a good run with the guild wars saga. Its end will come in a few years just like all the other games previous, but we still have much to look forward to. Lets enjoy the great service that ANET/NCSOFT provides us until then.
a) Anet has delayed release date of C4 for the time being.
b) Anet did not promise a date in either posted form on GW official site, nor in its financial statement.
We have also heard some good arguments for both sides. I would say the best anti argument would be that people are getting bored with the game if not a new installment is released every 6 months. The best pro argument would be that we should expect quality of the game over time of release.
This is a simple discussion, but it seems some people just like seeing their post. The repetition of the last two pages are mirrored from the first two.
STATEMENT OF FACT: The C4 will be released when it is ready. Go pvp and farm the elite areas until then. Complaining about it is senseless and unnessecary. I expect a good run with the guild wars saga. Its end will come in a few years just like all the other games previous, but we still have much to look forward to. Lets enjoy the great service that ANET/NCSOFT provides us until then.
Redfeather1975
I heard the next campaign is delayed because they are adding flying mounts and weapons that talk to you.
/me runs away
/me runs away
Loviatar
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where did you find these facts and how were they proven true?
unless you have an official Anet announcement of delay you have no facts.
we are all waiting for your proof on this
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This discussion seems to be pro-longed by people who do not read previous post. So far we have found out these following facts to be true.
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unless you have an official Anet announcement of delay you have no facts.
we are all waiting for your proof on this
Captain Sarcastic
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QFT
That's been my point exactly. A lot of claims to fact have been made w/o sources, that makes them rumors.
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That's been my point exactly. A lot of claims to fact have been made w/o sources, that makes them rumors.
Stoney Faust
Anet = Developer, NCSoft = Distributor
Anet is wholly-owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation which means they are mostly autonomous. It also means that Anet doesn't necessarily always give NCSoft all thier info.
Even Gaile said that she didn't know what the NCSoft line about the Guild Wars update was all about.
The facts that are confirmed are:
1. They are working on Campaign 4
2. Campaign 4 is scheduled for a 2007 release (no specific timeframe)
3. Campaign 4 will be expanding on the Guild Wars world (not starting a new "world" with a new "trilogy" as many have speculated.) There may well be a marked differece with 4, or even starting a new branch of the history of that world, but it will be in the same Guild Wars world. That also means that it will not be starting a new set of games (i.e. Guild Wars 2) as some have speculated.
4. Gaile has stated that we would get some info about Campaign 4 "soon" (no specific timeframe)
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ArenaNet is currently working on a fourth campaign that will once again expand the explorable world of Guild Wars and provide ever-deepening insight into the history of that world and the stories of its people. It is scheduled for release in 2007.
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Anything else is pure speculation and rumor with little or no basis in fact. The one thing that does seem to point to a major difference in the timeframe of the release is that NF had the first info about it released just less than 3 months after Factions went live.
We are now past the 4 month mark after NF going live, but the delay could be due to the major events that they have been putting on in the interim. That still does not necessarily translate to a major delay, or Campaign 4 being released in the fall. It could simply mean that the beta weekend will be 1 month before release instead of 3.
But like I said other than what has been confirmed by Anet, it's all speculation and unfounded rumor.
Anet is wholly-owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation which means they are mostly autonomous. It also means that Anet doesn't necessarily always give NCSoft all thier info.
Even Gaile said that she didn't know what the NCSoft line about the Guild Wars update was all about.
The facts that are confirmed are:
1. They are working on Campaign 4
2. Campaign 4 is scheduled for a 2007 release (no specific timeframe)
3. Campaign 4 will be expanding on the Guild Wars world (not starting a new "world" with a new "trilogy" as many have speculated.) There may well be a marked differece with 4, or even starting a new branch of the history of that world, but it will be in the same Guild Wars world. That also means that it will not be starting a new set of games (i.e. Guild Wars 2) as some have speculated.
4. Gaile has stated that we would get some info about Campaign 4 "soon" (no specific timeframe)
== quote from Arena Net's site ==
ArenaNet is currently working on a fourth campaign that will once again expand the explorable world of Guild Wars and provide ever-deepening insight into the history of that world and the stories of its people. It is scheduled for release in 2007.
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Anything else is pure speculation and rumor with little or no basis in fact. The one thing that does seem to point to a major difference in the timeframe of the release is that NF had the first info about it released just less than 3 months after Factions went live.
We are now past the 4 month mark after NF going live, but the delay could be due to the major events that they have been putting on in the interim. That still does not necessarily translate to a major delay, or Campaign 4 being released in the fall. It could simply mean that the beta weekend will be 1 month before release instead of 3.
But like I said other than what has been confirmed by Anet, it's all speculation and unfounded rumor.
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Stoney Faust
yes yes, it was the wrong words for the statement. The comment "a) Anet has delayed release date of C4 for the time being. ", is not correct. Words do make a difference ehh? I would like to change the statement to " Anet has delayed release info on the C4 for the time being." Now that is more proper and true. The original statement taken literaly would mean that Anet is not going to release the game in the supposed six month period, or in a near schedule. The statement however was meant by me to state that as in past, the info on new chapters or works was released at this point between games. Sorry for the mixup, and thanks for the correction Lovistar.
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GAILE GRAY said this about the financial report
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Dscrilla
my baseless prediction:
chap 4 relesed 7/07
chap 5 just in time for xmas
chap 4 relesed 7/07
chap 5 just in time for xmas
thelegendozelda
if i dont here some info on ch 4 soon guess i'll buy another 60 day WoW card.
creelie
I'm not *upset* at waiting, but it does make me worry. If ANet's business plan is built on 2 new chapters a year, won't their cash flow be damaged by going below that? I want them to stay afloat for a long time, because there is nothing like this game.
Winterclaw
I'm guessing the next campaign will come out after the weapon contest is over. Best guess is that if they can get all the winning items finished in a month, then the game will go gold within a month of the end of the contest.
The Legg
I must say I am really happy with the delay to release of C4. I play both PVE and PVP with almost every character type in my PVE arsenal and love taking part in almost every espect of the game I can. To be able to fully develope my characters, plus heros now and PVP 6 months is just not long enough.
Hopefully this will be the start of ANET increasing the time between new chapter releases. There is so much to do in the game these days that I feel anyone complaining about boredom is not getting the whole experience. Plus with new chapter realeases there will be even more to do with even more characters created.
Bring on the delays
Hopefully this will be the start of ANET increasing the time between new chapter releases. There is so much to do in the game these days that I feel anyone complaining about boredom is not getting the whole experience. Plus with new chapter realeases there will be even more to do with even more characters created.
Bring on the delays
Kos Luftar
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I just want them to tell us something! I don't care if it's in April like most people thought or if it's in friggin' November! Just tell us something!
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FoxBat
The inability of Anet to announce that CH4 went gold "tommorow" is not a rumor. It's based on inference that such a move would be financial suicide. They will start cranking up the hype machine at least 2 months before release, but probably much earlier that.
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This is one of the reasons I got into the game. Chapters released every 6 months.
Factions I was able to forgive because everything was still sort of new, so i was fine with waiting a year. Then nightfall came just as they said, six months later. Nightfall will be 4 months old pretty soon and I havent heard ANYTHING on chapter 4. Has anyone else? Are they going to screw us over on their promise or will they deliver? Your opinion? |
Lonesamurai
Gaile has already stated that the "6 month release schedule" was never mentioned by ANet and that it was all said by the community!
they have never said they are sticking to a 6 month release schedule and it is also already well known that the next release is due in Q3 2007, meaning July to September this year... this is old news, so why is this thread still open???
they have never said they are sticking to a 6 month release schedule and it is also already well known that the next release is due in Q3 2007, meaning July to September this year... this is old news, so why is this thread still open???
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So what does the future hold for Guild Wars? "We will continue to fully support Guild Wars and Guild Wars Factions with balance changes and features, like new ways to join parties," said Strain. "We will not, however, be working on new missions... those sorts of things will be part of new campaigns. We have two development teams working on a staggered release schedule, so we'll have a new campaign out every 6 months. We also have a 'Live' team which makes sure that content is constantly being added, often for holidays like Halloween and 'Winter's' day. So people can expect a lot of incoming content." http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/toppers/?id=12786 "We have a solid engine we'll see where we can take it. News about Guild Wars Campaign 3 will be coming out this summer, so stay tuned!" concluded Strain. |