AFK-ing at Aspenwood - An Ongoing Protest

It's because of kiddy leechers like this guy that I long gave up on playing FA even though I found it fun. It's not just that it's not fun playing shorthanded, it's knowing that if I play that I'd funding and encouraging lazy ass punks who suck so badly that they have to leech.

What's the point in even making a cooperative/competitive match when people arent even participating?

I'm a lazy ass punk who sucks badly? No I just have better things to do.

If thats true then you're an a$$hole & i hope you get scammed.
People that leech ruin it to bits for the others & there's no need for it at all.

Play fair & be nice.
You havent won yourself any favours by posting that.

Yosh, you have better things to do? Good, CLOSE Guild Wars and go do them. Nobody is backing you up on your post, it is a terrible thing to leech because you have better things to do. If you expected people to agree with you here, you were wrong.

Im not. This is my opinion. You dont agree, thats fine. And at the moment no I do not have better things to do. That is why i'm not leeching at the moment. Don't you have better things to do (and this go's to all who insult me) then cus at some punk ass kid in CA?

Yosh your counter argument fails for the sheer truth it can be thrown back at you with the same effect.

To answer do we have better things to do. The answer is no cause we came here for the debate and read of oppinions and see if some common ground could be found to make Anet improve what would of been a very fun place to play in GWs but because of people like you who have ruined the place into the waste of space it is now.

Your philosphy I have better things to do so im gonna leech now is shrewd and ignorant at best of circumstances for a number of reasons.

Mainly and high up there is that you show a lack of class, character or respect to fellow gamers by not only willingly doing this aspect but basically posting it here with this air of im so great cause I abuse a system flaw.

Its fine that you would have "better things to do" we all do, its called life. But the respectale thing would of been to simply turn off the game or keep it on if you wished but put yourself in a spot where you cant harm other people.

But instead you show lack of class by willingly putting your character into a cycle of constantly reloading itself into the mission and being wasted space.
Sure your not hurting yourself but instead you have ignorantly, or maybe arrogantly ruined a minimum of 7 other players experience and effectivly scammed them of hard earned faction that you frankly dont deserve even 1 point of.

Of course in every sense this is also directed to the multitude of othr leechers like you but since you so brazinly proclaimed your leecher ways I guess its just easier to say you as an example. But it is a truth that what you do is a horrid gaming practice and shows horrid manners and a lack of respect to all GWs players out there and basically says you deserve no respect in the game itself, or in here unless you show more respect to the other 7 players your so willingly screwing over.

It is your attitude in here that solidifys and shows why Anet should take a proactive aproach into making a solution to fix and heal Aspenwoods current ruined and broken state.

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Can we just stop this thread? I havent heard anyhting about a protest in a page.

Better things to do? Yeah, I have better things to do rather than play a game mode full of selfish leeching lazy idiots and earn their faction for them because they suck too much to earn it themselves.

Congrats on leechers like you making FA something that is definately not something that is "better to do."

You may like it, but you ruin the game for the other people in the team. Don't you ever think other people? Empathy and self-sacrifice are beneficial to the community and the species survival - but unfortunately we haven't got totally rid of people like this... It's the sorriest person who cannot feel empathy!

And if the developpers don't care either, it's like Aspenwood: good game ruined.
Yeah well I'm gonna make this protest my standard behaviour from now in FA. At least it slightly reduces leechers' faction gain. Maybe if more people follow quitting-when-leechers-around-protocol, leeching becomes less and less popular. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe an Arenanet boss will grow a heart and do something about it. Anyway, need to try. I will be playing Aspenwood now as often as I can. As a protest.

yeah this was my suggestion but it seems some of us think alike
since i dont see one day of protest working (as evidenced by the lovely Yoshy) - id ask all of you who play aspy to take screenshots of leechers and post them here! even if you dont quit on the swines - take piccies just to show how many games are affected by them!
i am guessing that on monday things will go back to 'normal' and we might have more piccies to post then!
have a non-afk-ing experince at aspy and have fun!

AFK is easy to fix - just don't give any faction to losers. Simple as that.

Yosh is a representation in the game of what happens in real life too. I hate these punks, but as in real life there is also little you can do about them. In the game u can just leave, let em stand in AFK heaven. In real life you can't unfortunately.

Bingo.

The other solution is (as I think someone else pointed out) to make teams non-random.

That would be very unfortunate. It's one of the best features of Aspenwood that the teams are random. Now you don't have to wait for hours for the second or third monk. Now you can enter with what ever profession, with the build of your choosing. And the battles are surprising, when you can never know if the Kurzicks can withdraw into their endless defensive positions behind the gates, or what will happen.

And if you would get to choose the teams, how would you know one would not turn into a leecher?

I have suggested that they would have similar option as in Aspenwood to join missions and areas like UW/FoW/Tombs. Now if you are not certain profession with certain build, you must wait for hours or days to get in a team. That is very sad.

There are other ways like requiring action to be considered an active player and gain faction or team vote kicks. Lots of suggestions done, and Arenanet can invent surely more.

Hell no. I do FA alot and one of the reasons i like it is because of the random teams. I dont want to spend hours in their getting a team formed. But i do agree with the loseing side = no faction thing. Could be bad with the leavers going at any sign of trouble though.


The first one. Your a lazy ass punk that sucks badly.

What better things do you have to do?
It's not like anyone would want to spend time with a jerk such as yourself..

I leech.

Nuff said.

Owned.

Flame?
EDIt: aww comon I posted this like 20 minutes ago and still noone's flamed me

If thats how you work in real life too, gaining money and credits at the expense of others work, than u are really sad. I have seen too many people like that, and the funny thing is, like in the game they seem to get rewarded as well, get steady jobs etc, compliments etc.. Though it depends on one thing, they should be very likable, in game even that element is absent, or all leechers taking a nice girl toon?

monday morning - two games in a row:

left the first one - fought in the second one

monday afternoon:

the ele actually moved later - only to afk at the turtle!
so he was there - just didnt feel like playing i guess.
lovely folks!

I'm not sure if what I'm about to say applies to this conversation, but we shall see.
I am getting ready to buy the FACTIONS campaign after completion of Prophecies and Nightfall. If I understand correctly, the Factions PvE storyline forces players to participate in PvP in order to gain faction points and progress the story. If this is true then I, as a non PvP'er, would most definately take advantage of this leeching thing to get those points and move on with the game. I don't like PvP and I think Anet may realize they crossed a line by forcing people to PvP in order to progress the story. Kind of a cheezy attempt at trying to introduce more people to it if you ask me.
Perhaps the reason they have not removed faction points for the losing side is because they know they screwed the pooch by forcing people against their will to participate in PvP.

Again, I don't know if this Fort Aspenwood that y'all are talking about has anything to do with the forced PvP deal for PvE'ers though... Correct me if I'm wrong and if I've completely misunderstood the Factions thing, then sorry and please disregard!

Cheers!

You dont have to do the PvP its just one of the options to complete the amount of faction you need at 1 point to move on in the story. You generally get the most of the 10K faction you need just by doing all the side quests, which ultimatly also lead to exp and gold and drops and generall by doing all the side quests your just a bit off of the 10K. From there you have the choice to either go to the PvP sections to get the last bit of faction you need or the other option which is a few side quests you get in explore ereas that are repeatable. All you do is find the guy do the quest gain the faction then leave the area and renter go find the guy and do the quest again.

These people that leech dont do it cause there "forced to PvP" they do i to abuse a flaw in the PvP section. They do it for greed to trade in all faction for the material to either sell or use on there armors, or to trade it in for faction for there alliance to gain the befirending title and go for or maintain control of an outpost.

The leechers do it simply cause there lazy and rude and basically dont respect the gaming community. If they did respect the other gamers they wouldnt leech in the first place and not ruin that area and ruin the other players experience.

With all that in mind and for how long Anet has allowed it to go on you simply can only ask why? Anets done a lot of good with the game and brought me much enjoyment but whenever I think of Factions or want some Luxon or Kurzick armor im put into such a state of disapointment in Anet and frustration and hate for the disrespectfuls in the game we call leechers.

Its because of this flaw that Anet lazily casts a blind eye to and the jerks who take advantage of it at the expence of countless others who are honest and frankly better people then they will ever be that I refuse to touch any 15K luxon or kurzick armor and try to avoid as much contact to Cantha in general. And you know theres plenty out there with similar, same, or more extree feelings to that and the thought that anet simpley allows these feelings fester and grow stronger for this long truly makes me frown

As I have said allready as have others I think removing the free faction and exp for losing would eliminate leechers to a near all out entirty and ultimatly revitalize that area into the great intro to PvP that it should be.

At the same time though I wonder. Would perhaps instead of always posting on these forums the protest? Would persistent letter of complaints work?

Like a universal letter made and posted on forus pleading to Anet to fix it with possible solutions the game community itself thought of to help them, and we all copy and paste it to our emails and send it to Anets support or wherever?

Or perhaps even we make 2 threads in the forums. 1 that you post in if you want to say yes to fixing Aspenwood and state why you think and what you think would do it. And the other thread saying Leave it be and post why you think it? Perhaps after so long these threads are closed and tallied and then presented to Anet to show them the general feelings of the Guild Wars community?

Although this is not easy, a solution is to have a day where nobody plays Aspenwood. What will happen is that all the leechers will enter the game with other leechers and be stuck in an afk battle.

This will effectively lock out Aspenwood until either:

1) A leecher starts a turtle.
2) ANet intervenes and restarts the Aspenwood games.
3) They leech the full time and gain faction through the natural regen on the kurzick side.

During that day or "weekend event", we could all go play Jade Quarry.

You cant simply say to go to the Jade Quarry for that weekend though cause the leechers will follow the honest players there as well.

The leechers will go where the majority of honest players are to avoid the circumstance you brought up and also for the hope that there team there leeching off of is better then the other so they get the bonus 400 faction as abonus to there craptastic ways.

The idea of running to Jade is a temperary solution at best as what it will be is a migration pattern basically. The honest flee the leechers(which should never have to happen to begin with cause quick decisive solutions should happen when leeching oportunities are presented) to the other place. They have maybe a day of honest gaming at best cause then all the leechers will have followed and you will go through about a week of getting the honest to then flee to the other place and the cycle continues anew.

What we need is for Anet to take an honest aproach to the problem instead of none at all to get a true solution and fix to this problem.

Not directing this at you since you're just asking the question but I really wish people would stop spreading false information or outright lying about Factions forcing people to PVP.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PVP IN FACTIONS.

There are plenty of ways to get kurzick/luxon faction without ever having to PVP. Quests and Challenge missions will get you all the faction you need. If anyone is using the excuse that they dont like PVP and leeching they are full of crap.

It is sad that people might try for Savior of the Kurzicks/Luxons by leeching.

I help people with missions and ALOT of people ask if they can go AFK. I either thell them No or charge a huge premium.

Recently I have been beset by people who want to get their Max survivor title and want me to clear the way for them while they stand back and collect XP. I do not encourage this either. I do not take people through whole campaigns either. I earned my 2 max titles through PUGs, Heros Henches, Wiki and just plain experience.

A few posts back there were some comments about respect for the game and other gamers..I would like to add that respect for the gaming experience is lacking too.

Whatever happened to earning your armor? I want ascended Kurzick armor for my Rit, but I want to earn it. I have a monk on the survivor track with over 200k XP and I ahve not gone AFK or leeched. Its just not in me.

But then again, maybe I am different, I like the challenges...I am one of the ones that would fight it out if it was 2 to 7...I might learn something. Guild wars is my entertainment, it is my escape...I have no social life, I work 8-4:30 have a pregnant wife and a 3 year old daughter...I don't need Guild wars to provide any meaning in my life...Its just a fantasy world where I get to kill stuff.

Sorry to hear about the leechers..I'll go check out FA and Jade Quarry..I still need to earn 1300 Luxon faction (the hard way) to get Gayla hatchery and get my third Prot title...There will be no leeching here.

Last time I played Ft Aspenwood was before NF was released in the fall and there were a lot of leechers. Now I've been trying it again with new classes and builds and it was the same, but it amazed me that the same people were still leeching.

There were a few guys from DyS, who were part of the alliance who was holding Cavalon a while back - so I guess where they got their faction. This one guy has been leeching in an amazing amount of matches and was still at it, this time on Kz side (let's just say his name rhymes with Hut Golz). Is this the way the alliances farm their insane amounts of faction to hold towns?

It just bugs me anyway since Aspenwood - when played with full teams on both sides who know what to do - can be a very fun experience! That's why I do it. But leechers ruin the fun, since what's meant as 8vs8 is usually 6vs5 or even less.

did FA two times yesterday on the luxon side...first was 7vs2 (luxon advantage)...Second time was 8 v 5...wondered why it was so tough the first time

finally imageshack is working again:

left this game

second game : it seems as if there were 2 afks but then the messy moved and all of a sudden, the messy stopped. so i am guessing the dude was just playing, then not anymore, and then a bit more, ....

Not wanting to do PvP is no excuse for leeching, there are boring old quests that involve you running from points A-B-C and D if your brain can handle that kind of boredom.

Leeching in any form is just disgraceful and should incur penalties be it (ingame) monetary or otherwise.

another day - more afks.
and i adore it when ppl proudly show that they will afk - with pumkin heads or in the case of zoc a few weeks ago - by going in naked, equipped with with candy cane weapons!


maybe the ppl are right - maybe i should just stop playing there.

Well, we all who want to play Aspenwood hope you will continue to play. And although many don't post here, there still are people that play it. And I mean play.

Anet approves of leaching, why else would they let it happen for 6 months or so.


goes back to leaching points...

Shame on you....you party killer!

IMO Leeching ruins the fun in fort aspenwood, and i think A-net should do something about it, since manny of the leechers uses bot's


BTW Upier, i wont question your monk build And its great that someone finaly tries to do something about leeching in FA

Thumbs up

i posted the piccy and then went - ohh crap! i should have added - dont look at the build since i couldnt access imageshack to upload the 'fixed' version.
yeah - i hate monking - and i wanted to test out something. well - lets put it this way - luckily we had leechers so i could blame them for our miserable defeat

a few more piccies for the wall of shame:

todays wall of shame:



as you can see both the luxons and the kurzick have their regulars.
and ive decided that if i see anyone of the regulars - the luxon side (zoc and dwight) - i rarely play the kurzick side to be aware of the the offenders that keep repeating the afking - i am out of there. even if we get a team of 7 non-afks. i will tell i am leaving because of the specific leecher - screenshot - and be gonegonegone!
no point in getting worked up over some moron - since if they have better things to do then play with us - i have better things to do then to play from them!

Upier, you have stamina!

I'm not taking screen caps anymore, but practice the "I'm leaving in protest of AFKers - Arenanet fix this mission"-policy until it gets fixed.